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Re: Frame size used for 16 gauge guns (question).... Jeff_Marshall #14871974 05/12/20
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battue Campfire Ranger B Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 20,808 outside the burgh	Have used this one more than a little....To the point I had to have the wood refinished....the case hardening isn't the best and is almost gone....After that I mostly put it away, why I'm not sure.....the 16 barrels have killed a lot of Ruffed Grouse, the 20 I shot one Grouse with it and put it away....Been thinking about sending it to Rich Cole to have the case hardening done the way it should have been done originally.... Have another original 16 Parker on the larger frame that was my Fathers.... Last edited by battue; 05/12/20. laissez les bons temps rouler

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Re: Frame size used for 16 gauge guns (question).... Jeff_Marshall #14872015 05/12/20
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Pugs Campfire Ranger Joined: May 2005 Posts: 17,133 Freedom	I suspect that after we get to NH and another pup that it will be my go-to gun. If something on the internet makes you angry the odds are you're being manipulated

Re: Frame size used for 16 gauge guns (question).... Pugs #14872137 05/12/20
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battue Campfire Ranger B Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 20,808 outside the burgh	They are a bargain for a quality SxS....some in the know say better than the originals, and with modern day dimensions that will come close to fitting most.. laissez les bons temps rouler

Re: Frame size used for 16 gauge guns (question).... Pugs #14872170 05/12/20
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kingston Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 32,130 Somewhere between lost and fou...	I’ve got a 20ga. Parker Reproduction 2 bbl set too. They’re fantastic little shotguns. I don’t have the Krieghoff 16ga. barrels though. I’d love a set. Originally Posted by 16penny If you put Taco Bell sauce in your ramen noodles it tastes just like poverty

Re: Frame size used for 16 gauge guns (question).... Jeff_Marshall #14942916 06/05/20
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battue Campfire Ranger B Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 20,808 outside the burgh	Very few of the 16 gauge barrels got out before production of the repo ended, and many of those that were in waiting were ruined by some type of disaster. Flood comes to mind, but not sure. Last edited by battue; 06/05/20. laissez les bons temps rouler

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Re: Frame size used for 16 gauge guns (question).... Jeff_Marshall #14942989 06/05/20
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battue Campfire Ranger B Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 20,808 outside the burgh	I’ve posted this previously, but it is still a good read re the Parker Reproduction. https://shootingsportsman.com/parkerrepro/ laissez les bons temps rouler

Re: Frame size used for 16 gauge guns (question).... GF1 #15352102 10/27/20
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Billewe Campfire Greenhorn B Joined: Oct 2020 Posts: 74	Snoozingbeast. You are correct. Even today you can still find them for 2 1/2", 2 9/16"S and 2 3/4" CHAMBERS

Re: Frame size used for 16 gauge guns (question).... Jeff_Marshall #15352105 10/27/20
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Billewe Campfire Greenhorn B Joined: Oct 2020 Posts: 74	Snoozingbeast. You are correct. Even today you can still find them for 2 1/2", 2 9/16"S and 2 3/4" CHAMBERS

Re: Frame size used for 16 gauge guns (question).... 300Savage #15352116 10/27/20
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Billewe Campfire Greenhorn B Joined: Oct 2020 Posts: 74	The old saying was , Carried like a 20 ga shot like a 12. I must say that is very true. I compete in trap games and only shoot a 16 32" citori. Keep up with them even on shootoffs at the back fence so to say. Easily 35yrds from the trap house. Plus I only shoot 1oz for all games

Re: Frame size used for 16 gauge guns (question).... Jeff_Marshall #15353523 10/27/20
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300_savage Campfire Regular 3 Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 2,139	I believe, but am not completely sure, that all early Remington 870s wiere built on a 12 gauge frame. The 20, first built on a 12 frame, later came out in a lightweight on it's own frame size. Eventually all 20s were transitioned to the newer, smaller frame. To the best of my knowledge, all 16 gauge 870s were on the 12 gauge frame size, and the one that belongs to a friend of mine, though a nice shotgun, is only trimmer than a 12 in the barrel and magazine tube.

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Re: Frame size used for 16 gauge guns (question).... 300_savage #15357070 10/28/20
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Bay_Dog Campfire Regular Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 902 Kenosha, WI	Correct. 870s were 12 gauge frames and the weight savings was in the barrel and mag tube. Even the vent rib barrels started making the 16s pig ish.

Re: Frame size used for 16 gauge guns (question).... Jeff_Marshall #15360530 10/29/20
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30Gibbs Campfire Tracker 3 Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 3,365 Central Calif. Coast	Originally Posted by Jeff_Marshall This is my first post on the 24 hour campfire forum. I just realized that this is probably in the wrong section, sorry. I have to admit that I've never owned a 16 gauge, but feel that it is a shame that they aren't more popular. A magazine article from some years back testing a reintroduced 16 gauge mentioned that 16 gauge guns were often or normally made using either a 12 gauge or 20 gauge receiver. The author said that they tended to be overly heavy if based on 12 gauge receivers (so offered little or no advantage over buying a 12 ga). He said guns based on 20 gauge receivers were preferable. So my question is this; what guns (newly manufactured or out of production) use 12 gauge receivers, which use 20 gauge, and which ones use receivers that are 16 gauge only (if any)? Off the top of my head, I'm curious about Stevens 311's, Winchester 21's and 12's, Remington autos and pumps (and equivalent Brownings/Savage autos); or anything else that you care to mention. :-) Many thanks to anyone that takes the time to answer! Jeff Marshall Rural Indiana 16 gauge guns on the smaller frame are awesome! After starting with a 16 I later received a 12 gauge pump at 14. The gun and shells were bulkier with essentially the same ballistic performance as a 1 1/8 or 1 1/4 16 gauge load. Winchester Model 12 and Ithaca M37 16 gauge guns are truly everything that you need in a hunting shotgun, especially the solid rib version of each make.

Re: Frame size used for 16 gauge guns (question).... 300_savage #15362229 10/30/20
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model70man Campfire Tracker M Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 4,469	Originally Posted by 300_savage I believe, but am not completely sure, that all early Remington 870s wiere built on a 12 gauge frame. The 20, first built on a 12 frame, later came out in a lightweight on it's own frame size. Eventually all 20s were transitioned to the newer, smaller frame. To the best of my knowledge, all 16 gauge 870s were on the 12 gauge frame size, and the one that belongs to a friend of mine, though a nice shotgun, is only trimmer than a 12 in the barrel and magazine tube. I have a 1951 20 gauge 870 and a 1953 16 gauge 870, both in mint condition. Both are on 12 gauge frames and I believe the serial numbers have an "X" prefix. I much prefer them over the later 870s with the gigantic oversize forearms no matter what frame size the later guns are based on.

Re: Frame size used for 16 gauge guns (question).... Jeff_Marshall #15362957 10/30/20
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300_savage Campfire Regular 3 Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 2,139	Those corncob forearms are nice!

Re: Frame size used for 16 gauge guns (question).... model70man #15365588 10/31/20
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ldmay375 Campfire Regular L Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,091 Wasilla, Alaska	I am my no stretch of the imagination a shotgun-guy. I was totally ignorant of the 870 AP models, until yesterday. But, I picked up a 16 gauge Reminding 870 AP the other day in a firearms store. I was quite surprised at the “lively” feel of this shotgun. Even as a kid, I don’t recall seeing the round forend 870’s. I don’t own an original Model 12 Winchester, but have used a few and handled a few. I always like the feel / handling of the ones with the round forend. Anyways this old shotgun had a great feel to me. ———————————————————————————— Originally Posted by model70man Originally Posted by 300_savage I believe, but am not completely sure, that all early Remington 870s wiere built on a 12 gauge frame. The 20, first built on a 12 frame, later came out in a lightweight on it's own frame size. Eventually all 20s were transitioned to the newer, smaller frame. To the best of my knowledge, all 16 gauge 870s were on the 12 gauge frame size, and the one that belongs to a friend of mine, though a nice shotgun, is only trimmer than a 12 in the barrel and magazine tube. I have a 1951 20 gauge 870 and a 1953 16 gauge 870, both in mint condition. Both are on 12 gauge frames and I believe the serial numbers have an "X" prefix. I much prefer them over the later 870s with the gigantic oversize forearms no matter what frame size the later guns are based on.

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