Home Forums Reloading Varmint Rifles What happened to 220 Swift fans

When I was growing up a local retired guy used to take me ground hog hunting. He was super fan of the swift had about 10 rifles in 220 swift.

I love mine. It's a pristine pre-64 Model 70 so I don't do any high volume shooting with it. I take it deer hunting occasionally and it works well for that purpose.

Blaserman: Nothing - many of us still around.
I currently own 13 (thirteen) Rifles in caliber 220 Swift. Four of them are mint condition pre-64 Winchester Model 70's in my collection (in three different models) that I do not shoot and the other nine I shoot - mostly at Varmints and predators.
I missed buying a minty Remington 700 stainless heavy barrel Sendero earlier this week - I missed it by one day - thought about it 24 hours to long (price $899.00).
There still is a "niche" market for Rifles in caliber 220 Swift just not much in the way of supply! When a clean (with good bore) used Rifle in 220 Swift comes on the market, in my experience, it doesn't last very long.
The 220 Swift Sendero I just "missed out on" was on the market (gunstore rack) for 2 1/2 days!
Many of my friends that I Varmint and predator Hunt with own Rifles in 220 Swift.
I have a fair supply of 220 Swift brass on hand so I won't be leaving the ranks of 220 Swift "fans" any time soon.
Long live the 220 Swift.
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VarmintGuy

I’ve had several swifts. Currently have a custom stainless R700, 26” Shilen sporter barrel, McMillan hunter stock. I’ve had it for more than 20 years. Use it for coyote calling and it’s highly effective. Had another similar, only heavier barrel. Shot the rifling out of that one, on PDs. And still another VSSF, a great gun, but I sold it as barrel heat and recoil is more than I wanted in a PD gun. So I sold it.

I shot out 4 swifts, then went to the 22/250 AI...never looked back, never trimmed another piece of brass for that case...never...since 1987!

Agreed. In the early 90s Norma brass went from hard to find to impossible to find. The WW stuff wasn't great & the new Hornady/Frontier stuff was poor. I took a 22-250 Ackley in trade, test fired it, worked out the bugs, & sold all my Swifts except the Model 54. Having a chronograph helped with the decision.

All the 220 fans I knew were guys in their fifties back in Reagan's first term. They're not really fans of anything at all anymore...

Hey that’s just hurtful. 😁 74 here, still shooting and enjoying the swift. On my third one, all Ruger 77’s.

Perhaps because laser rangefinders have made shooting varmints at long ranges with 223s easier, so there is less demand for the 22-250, the 220 Swift, and the various 6mms and .257" bore cartridges for shooting pdogs and 'chucks that are way out there.

It's alive and well with me.

20 cal's became more popular.....with me any how

20-222.....20 Practical (20-223) 20 Vartarg (Fireball)

I was fortunate that my first experience with the Swift and my first experience with a Pre-64 Model 70 came in the same package. I'll be a fan of both for life!

I haven't done much with my old 77V 220 Swift in a while but it's still the king to me. I keep thinking I'll find a good deal on a lefty 700 SA to build a correctly handed Swift but other projects seem to take precedence and that old 77V and I have a lot of great history, despite the fact that Bill Ruger chose to put the bolt on the incorrect side. Guess I'll always be a Swift fan.

The Swift is still my longer range varmint rifle, an early flat bolt M77V. I go easy on the barrel, and it has held up well for a lot of years. On prairie dogs, the .17HMR gets the nod to about 175 yards, then it’s Swift time.

Me too. Bought me first Swift as a limited production Ruger M77V back in 1975. Been a huge fan ever since. Never ever have I gone on a prairie dog hunt and not taken one along. Sacrilege. I have lots of other calibers and dearly love them all. But the Swift is the King. Always has been, always will be. Period.

Mine sports a 26 inch #3 contour 1/14 twist ss/Cutrifled Mark Chanlynn bbl,older Ruger Flat bolt/M77V action,Canjarset trigger,glass bedded into an older fiberglass stock ,it's name can't remember , yeah she's not going nowhere ,LOL.

Wish Tikka would make a run of Swift’s in a 1 in8 twist barrel.

I hope it doesn’t fade to dust. I have a swift in a Ruger #1 that hasn’t been fired yet, new in 94 if I recall. As soon as I can get an FX3 on it I’ll take it out and break it in. With the longer barrel I maybe will use it on long range coyotes. Take some work off the .243.
A case of 40 grain ammo for it arrived a couple weeks ago so when the glass arrives I’ll get it ready for my years first run thru the western states.

Osky

20 cal bullets are still available on store shelves....

Shot out the barrel on my first 220 Swift at about 3k rds used to push 50 & 52 gr bullets to damn fast with 4064. When I replaced it with another 77v I backed off max went to ball powders and slowed way up on quantity of rounds used at the dog town. MB

They started running 55/58 grain bullets in their .24 calibers.

Traded off my swift many years ago, it has just never made it back to the top of the " I want now list". Definitely a fun round, especially for reloaders...

Put one up for sale in classifieds ,they will come out of the woodwork and blow up your PM.

Sarge

My coyote hunting buddy turned me on to 220 swift a while back. I've bought every one I've seen for sale since then.....1

Eeww...

Civilization did it in around here. Houses everywhere.

Many varmint shooters are shooting heavier bullets with better SD & BC's these days. Most Swift rifles rate of twist doomed the cartridge.

Now this is just funny. The Swifts 14 twist doomed it, but I would like you to explain why for 35-40 years after the Swifts demise in 64 that starting in 65 they made and sold a boatload of 22.250’s with that same [bleep] 14 twist. The Swift was doomed in 1936 when Wotkyns and Gebby introduced the 22 Varminter.

I never had an issue w the twist.

Shot 55 grain Ballistic Tips just fine and killed schitt way out.

i am still a fan of the 220 Swift, one of my 220 Swifts rides with me every day of the year. .I use 60 gr. Nosler partitions and 60 gr. B.T with a 1-10 twist Brux barrel on my Ruger # 1 shoots great.

I found this thread which struck a cord as my very first groundhog kill was with a 220 swift. The rifle belonged to a college buddy of mine, a pre-64 model 70
of course but had been purchased by his father when he was a small child in the very southern part of coal country of West Virginia. His dad was a WWII veteran and a coal miner of course.

When my college buddy was a small child his mother had given his dad $200.00 to my some furniture for the house, when his dad returned he had the pre-64 220 swift and no furniture. His mother was spitting mad but his dad kept the rifle. Over the years growing up he said his dad had "sold the 220 swift several times and each time when his mother discovered the rifle gone......she had his dad go buy that rifle back which he did.

The 220 swift left enough impression on me that some years later I bought a Ruger model 77 heavy barrel in 220 swift. That rifle would shoot tiny
bug holes with a Sierra 52 gr and IMR- 4320.

Greg,

thanks for posting that...far southern part of WVa, that is where the stork delivered me to...Lots of family, and Lord knows they sure use to have a lot of ground hogs...but guess Coyotes moving in have cut those numbers down quite a bit... and in a pre 64 Model 70...

Guy here in town, always love to run into me at the range, because I turn green when he brings his Grandpa's 1941 purchased Model 54 in 220 Swift.... it had an Alaskan 6 power Leupold thrown on top sometime in the 50s...this thing looks like its 6 months old... it was his grandpa's only rifle he saw him with as a kid... and Grandpa was a hunter and used it for EVERYTHING... nuisance varmints to elk... and in those days getting an elk every season around here was no big deal... they were a dime a dozen...

I have a Husqvarna in 270, that I have been thinking of rebarreling to a Swift ever since I got it... but also have a Marlin X 7, I've also had pretty much the same idea of doing since I got that one also... but the Swift doesn't give me anything the 22.250s I have don't.... except the cool factor...22.250s are cool, especially the one I have with a one in 7 twist, but is still not as cool as a 220 Swift... especially if it is on a Model 70 or Model 54 action...

never shot that many Groundhogs on relatives' farms down in WVa, have sure shot a bunch of prairie dogs and millions of Sage rats.. ya don't need a Swift for that...at all...and that was out here.. ya know someone would pop up and tell me there is no prairie dogs in WVa...
after all this is the campfire....

hey hope that stuff on the 444 helped you out some..

cheers and best regards my friend...

All those 220 Swift lovers puffed out their chests, gave each other knowing nods, and went skipping off into the sunset together.

Swift fans are out there, just pretty quite. All busy trimming brass.....😁

I still have 220's, but been thinning my herd down a bit. Not that I totally want to be empy but with health Conditions I just do t want tons sitting around. I'll probably stay with one of my #1 220's (red pad) and also keep Tons of bullets and power on hand. They are beyond flat shooting and if you don't heat them up to much and trade out off and on during varmit shooting they'll last !

What good is a rifle if you can't get brass for it? One of about 50 cartridges Win has killed. Now that Win is running the Lake City plant they will most likely try to discontinue 5.56 and 50BMG ammo.

The first new rifle i ever bought was a ruger 77v with 26" barrel this was in the early 70,s. I put a redfield 4x12 duplex scope on it,the scope cost pretty near as much as the rifle. I have shot everything from woodchucks to deer with it,and it will be the last rifle i get rid of. I was shooting 52 grain sierra hollow point boattail match ammo at around 3700 fps,pretty much keep inside a nickel at 200 yds . We swift owners just grin when were told the swift is dead !!!!

FatAlbert: "I" have a "lifetime" supply of 220 Swift brass for my mini-hoard (9) of 220 Swift Rifles so "my" 220 Swifts ARE all "good"!
The other 4 collector type 220 Swifts I own won't be getting shot by me but when I sell them in a year or two the new owners may have to look around a bit for loading components or ammo if THEY want to shoot them. I have seen both Hornady and Nosler 220 Swift brass on shelves in the past 6 months around here as well as want ads selling this in Winchester and Norma brands.
I guess if you (Winchester?) invent a cartridge you (Winchester) can decide to quit making brass or cartridges for it.
I have not heard that Winchester has quit either - have you?
Long live the wonderful 220 Swift.
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VarmintGuy

The first deer I ever took was with my grandpas M77 .220 Swift. It was a cold, foggy morning that turned to snow in a hurry and we were out early in the morning checking the cows. The deer was bedded across a small draw and the fog lifted and grandpa looked at me and said “do you think you can hit him?” The deer stood up and I touched of that rifle and the deer took off like a shot, ran straight into a small pile of buck brush. He was dead before he hit the brush but I’ll never forget how he dove into that brush breaking off branches that were 2” in diameter. I own three .220 swifts today, Grandpas M77, a Ruger #1 that likes the 60 grainers like Pete53 refer to above and a Rem 700 Classic. Working on a fourth at the moment, had the itch to build a fast twist .220 swift. Currently have a 1:8 twist barrel at my local gunsmith waiting for find a donor action to put it on.

We swift owners just grin when were told the swift is dead !!!!

Couldn’t agree more

I think flat shooting cartridges like the swift lost some of their appeal when laser rangefinders and low drag bullets became common.

22 Creed and the 22/250 AI will kill off the Swift.

Amazing, 57 years after its discontinuation people still debate when it will die, not only that but they continue to compare other cartridges to it. There is only 2 things that will kill the Swift, one has already happened as there is only one so called factory rifle chambered for it, Cooper.
Remington produced 1 but they are deader than the Swift.
When Ruger quit chambering the round the death bell was banging hard.
What will really kill it is when the last of the boomers go off into the sunset.
Anymore people want the newest fangled thing out there even if it doesn’t do anything different or better. 22.250 AI is only what 70 years old and dying, why because nobody chambers a factory rifle for it. 22.250 is 84 ( also known as the Original Wotkyns Swift) and going strong.
Keep comparing and debating about a 86 year old cartridge.

Not rob this thread but can a Remington 600 be rebarreled for a 220 Swift. If so I would think this would make a great varmint rifle.

About 30 years ago I was at a gun store looking at rifles. I was wanting a designated coyote rifle. They had nothing for me.
I went outside to leave when a elderly lady asked me if I could help her. I said sure. She had a few long guns in her truck she wanted to sell and needed help carrying them in. I said what you got? There was a Winchester O/U, a Ruger tang safety 220 Swift with a12x leupold scope on it and a single shot shotgun.
I asked her how much for the Ruger. She said it was brand new and never fired. Her husband had bought it to go PD hunting out west but never did. She said he had bought it 20-30 years ago then. I bought it for $400
According to the serial number it was made in 1973.
She is in excellent condition but has killed many animals of all shapes and sizes.
I shoot Hornady SPSX 50 grain powered by 4064 in it for tiny groups.

Trimming brass also means brass is flowing into the neck creating thickness issues.......YIKES!!!

At what number of rounds do people find the need to trim the Swift? I have yet to need to do it, but I am only on my 2nd loading on most of my brass. Same with the 300 H&H, another cartridges that is supposed to require more trimming. I thought I would have to trim them by now since they are on their 2nd and 3rd firing, but there is a lot of room left to grow.

Just-a

Just more BS from people who never owned either.
3 Swifts and 3 300 H&Hs in my safe.
Reload just like anything else.

Own 5 of these, among them a Swift and 300 H&H.

Bottom one in 300 H&H Bull Gun

It all depends. Chamber, quality of brass and how hard you push it. No set rule. In my situation I neck size only until after firing 4 times, at that point I always full length size, anneal and trim the brass back to 2.20 as my swift shoots better with a little longer neck. I also have a neck turner so if the brass does thicken at the neck or I start getting the dreaded donut it’s easily taken care of. Going this route I have some Norma brass that’s on it 16th firing. At this point all I use is Norma as Remington and Winchester brass really went to sh*t as far as quality. The last of those I bought had Winchester black bag was a 30% cull rate and the Remington was worse which is a pure shame as I have some Win stuff bought around 02 that I am saving as it was just as consistent as any Norma.

I love my 1948 vintage Winchester model 70, with a Ultra Varmint Unertle scope, 220 Swift! Lot of chucks, and a few Coyotes, went down over the years!

HunterShooter58: What power was (is) your Unertl Ultra-Varmint?
I loved those scopes and had them in both 12 and 15 powers.
Only have a few Unertls left.
Wish now I had kept them all.
Do have a mint perfect Unertl BV-20 and that is a gem of an optic!
Sad day when Unertl went under.
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VarmintGuy

On the beach, you have some ultra cool rifles.. Awesome.. Those are worth all the plastic rifles made.. Love em..

Yup and be back to WYO in 3 weeks to blow out the dust.

Here's my custom Swift that I just found a gloss Leupie 6.5-20x40 for:

Just a heads up folks, onthebeach= larry root. Just another sock puppet of an azzhole that had to go on ignore.

Very nice rifle. Any more details.

Hal

Just a heads up folks, Swifty 52 = Hating troll Just another azzhole that is going on ignore.

Ask any seller (well over 100) what a sac-o-sheet I am and then see what Swifty has done to advance others on the site.

Middle one is also a Swift

goodbye swifty, go back to under your desk

Yup complete custom except for action by a well known smith who has passed.

https://www.proxibid.com/Firearms-M...llman-Barrel/lotInformation/58641849#Top

The 3 M70 target rifles were posted by NYNY in this post:

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbt...atch-rifle-accuracy-reports#Post16065613

So either OnTheBeach is using other peoples images or they are one in the same….trolls.

To me this makes a huge difference with the 220 Swift, not on my 16th firing but Norma brass is night and day better than my Winchester brass

Boatanchor: Just one of my many Rifles in caliber 220 Swift is set up/supplied with Norma 220 Swift brass and indeed that Rifle shoots extremely well.
Trouble is it is hard to come by (Norma 220 Swift brass).
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VarmintGuy

SS336: The puzzle that is the troubled CampFirer, known as onthepeach, just keeps compounding itself!
I am waiting for onthepeach to try and answer your well founded posting!
I feel sorry for people like larryroot, onthepeach, slumload, small twig and boobiesarebrown!
There is obviously some disorder prevailing in their mental processes - or perhaps they are physically deformed in some way leading to these bizarre, anonymous, unprovoked, displays of anger/hostility.
And because of that, my puzzlement is overtaken by sorrow, for them.
In all honesty I wish there was something I could do to ease their pains.
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VarmintGuy

My friend has a Cooper with a 1-7 twist. On a good condition day it will put 75 trainers 10 shots in an inch. Very accurate in my book. Ed

Onthebeach= troll of the first magnitude. Some of his postings are cogent and well illustrated but trust me, he'll snap eventually and show his true colors. Maybe he'll even grace you with one of his childishly vile PM's which are what truly sets him apart from the rest of the cockroaches. Looking forward to the next one I get from him!

I always wanted one along with a 17 Remington. I remember reading Remington's yearly catalog as a kid. The back pages showed pictures of each cartridge with its Ballistics and Drop spec. The 220 swift amazed me with its size and over 4,000fps velocity

My former partner bought a 40XBKSS in Swift late '80s. We burned out the 27" stainless barrel in about 4k rounds. Punched too much paper cuz it was such a joy to shoot. 0.25" to 0.4". But along the way killed truckloads of woodchucks and crows. We had .22-250 V models prior, and the 40x extended our effective range by almost 100 yds for us. That was eastern NYS.

Another friend in NYS used his 77V with 52 gr Speer HP (the old version) for turkeys and deer on a very large farm he managed.

Now live in ME, not much use for a Swift here. But still have two pre-64 70s - Target and Varmint. Both 1/2" guns.

Thanks.

I have Norma and Hornady.

I've had a Ruger M77V 220 since the '70s that I bought for shooting chucks on the farms in the NY Catskills. I used to have a blast knocking on doors and getting permission to help a farmer put a dent in his ground hog population. I'd love to get it out again, but there doesn't seem to be the numbers of chucks like there used to be. I don't know if it's due to poisoning or different Ag practices or what, but I sure do miss those days.

I'll be buried with my swift. Have killed whitetails, Coues deer, a truckload of coyotes among a bunch of other varmints.

If memory serves me right, it's a 24X Ultra Varmint! I have a couple others, but I'm not sure what power they are. I really do love the old school Unertl's! Even the Lyman Targets copes are pretty good!

I think the current Swift fans just get a 22-250.

The Swift has always been a rather poor case design. It's easy to meet/exceed it's capacity in a vastly superior vessel,of vastly improved quality. Along with same,comes a greatly diminished case length,which effectively lengthens COAL latitude and opens doors to vastly superior projectiles,that reduce drop/drift and bolster terminal effects. Win/win/win/win. Hint.

Bullets matter wayyyyyyy more than headstamps. Hint...................

1:7 22 creed for me.

I see that the new Remington Arms are including the Swift in their lineup for model 700's.
https://www.remarms.com/rifles/bolt-action/model-700/model-700-varmint-sf

I have two Swifts a >22-250 ai, and a std . 22-250.. Next time I rebarrel the std. It will be to a swift.. Great cartridge.. I wonder how many of the nay sayers ever used one...

+1

yes with a 14" twist!

I've had lots of Swifts(Remmie,Ruger,Sako,Winchester,Custom) and shot a lot more. Brass has always been an issue,as relative quality goes and spare me the Norma bullschit,as I simply shoot it all. Hint.

As the new and/or old 700's go,a 26" Swift cain't hang with their 20" 1-9" 223(LTR/Threaded 5R). Pardon my having shot it all. Hint.

Never did much care for the 22-250,if only again,because it too is a rather poor case design(Remmie,Ruger,Sako,Winchester,Custom). Hint.

Have shot a bunch of 22-250AI's(Remmie,Ruger,Weatherby,Sako,Winchester OEM punches and of course a bunch of Custom). Hint.

Though in fairness,I had multiple CHeetah's too(Mach 1's). Hint.

I get a kick out of you Crying CLUELESS Karens and your Dumbfhuqktitude. Hint.

Laughing!...............

I see the village idiot is slobbering on his self again . sis must have went home for a few days. he will quit trying to be smart when she gets back to put his pacifier back up his a$$ were he likes it 🤢🤢🤢

Crying Karen,

You were nearly "brazen" enough to say something about The Rifle,but even Melting Snowflakes as fhuqking STUPID as you,know better than to try...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?

Fortunately for you,Imagination and Pretend are free,so you can "afford" to "contribute". Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!................

I traded this one. It was accurate, just didn't use it that much.

We don't have PD's here and I was wanting a faster twist, high performance .22 cal. So, I now have an 8 twist .22-250 Shilen Mohawk.

It has pretty factory wood and I installed a Kepplinger trigger back before they got so expensive. New owner very happy.

DF

Had Numbah One's in both Swift(OEM) and 22 K-Hornet(Factory spout punched). Always preferred B-78's. Hint.

None of my 22-250's are faster than 7"(Mike Rock). Hint................

Speaking of .220 Swifts, I have a like-new Ruger M77 MKII HB Target Rifle in .220 Swift that I plan to sell. It has a Leupold M-8 12x40mm Target scope with custom BDC, and will come with dies and 900 rounds of loaded ammunition. What should I ask for this rig?

I agree and understand some of your hatred of the Swift, it is an old fashioned poorly designed case.........
That said it still works and works well, the only reason I will always have one in my gun safe is the nostalgia factor.
It was the first center fire I ever bought when I was a teenager it served me then as it does now, shot about 50 prairie dogs with it yesterday and it still works great !!!!!! I shot many more with newer designed cartridges but nothing wrong with the old either, I prefer the Norma brass because it is much better than anything else for the Swift. sure you still have to trim it but not near as often and I have never had to neck turn it.
Obviously you are more a fan of the Gaymoor and Speedmire that have no nostalgia, but it's all good if you know the cartridge limitations and how to use it properly.....hint

While I do agree with most sentiments you posted especially nostalgia which has basically kept the Swift alive. That said, not all Norma brass is created equal. I bought 300 rounds of Norma Swift brass in 25 round padded boxes back about 2010 fully prepped. Bought 300 rounds bulk at about 40 cents less, big difference cull rate on bulk was 10-15 %.

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Brass quality substandard
Case design antiquated
Twist rate a constraint

But sometimes they still shoot

Better than most think

The twist 1-14 or 1=12 is fine for my needs.. I don't want to shoot an 80 gr. bullet out of my .22's.. I want them shooting fast explosive bullets of the bullet is destroyed once it hits a prairie dog or coyote.. if I want to shoot heavy long bullets, I will use a bigger caliber..

I recall a article stating Nosler used the 220 Swift to test their 22 caliber bullets due to its accuracy potential. May have changed by now with new cartridges and may have been wrong even when I read it, Don't know. But my Swift is more accurate than the .22-250 I had. Maybe it was the rifles used.

I have to wholeheartedly agree. Light bullets driven fast still have value in the shooting world. I kind of have to yawn when I get told about the great value of long, heavy bullets and how far behind the times I am for not having a fast twist 22 caliber. I find it difficult to believe an 80 grain bullet from a 220 Swift is going to have the same dramatic effect on a ground squirrel as a 40 grain at full throttle.

For better or worse, I’ll keep my Swift and my 40-55 grain bullets. Like you, I have others that will handle heavy bullets should I desire them.

That is not just a case of one, I have always gotten better accuracy with the Swift than a 22-250 in several rifles of each. just like I can always make a 222 shoot more accurate than a 223

Just A Hunter: You touch on a great point - each Rifle is an individual and accuracy may/will vary.
But among the many 220 Swifts I own is a splendidly accurate all factory stock Remington 40XB-KS in 220 Swift that shoots Varmint style bullets into VERY small groupings.
In fact just a while back I was double checking a load for "drop" and at 200 yards on an only fair day conditions wise, the Rifle/cartridge made a 5 shot group at 200 yards that measured .891".
Now it has shot better groups (M.O.A. wise) at other distances but on that somewhat windy day in slight mirage conditions with Varmint style bullets I was VERY pleased with that performance.
I have been shooting both the 220 Swift and the 22-250 Remington for over half a century now and currently own and shoot 23 (twenty three!) Varmint weight Rifles in 22-250 Remington and 220 Swift calibers and I am hard pressed to give the "accuracy edge" to either cartridge!
If pressed, intensely, I would have to give the slightest edge in accuracy to the many 22-250's I own now and have owned in the past compared to my 220 Swifts.
But that accuracy edge "opinion" is, again, VERY slight.
Long live the 220 Swift (and the 22-250 Remington!).
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VarmintGuy

Twist is the main reason I traded my .220 Swift #1 and built an 8 twist .22-250. (6mm shot out Mohawk now wearing a 22" Shilen barrel)

I picked up these 75 gr. bullets from Midway. They said 80 gr. but I found out they were 75 gr. TAP/SBR, 5.56x45 Hornady surplus bullets, not available to handloaders. I picked up a few more from a Fire contributor.

At .22-250 speeds, they should be pretty destructive on WT's, hogs and such. Just never tried it.

DF

>> still a great coyote killin rifle in my hands !

one of the reasons winchester chose the combination they used instead of the 22 250 or a faster twist than 1/14, might be that the 22 250 wasn't around until 1937 and the bullets requiring a fast twist wouldn't show up for a long, long while. the 219 didn't show up 'til the late 30's either.