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While I believe 401(K)'s, IRA's and such are in the bullseye, I think the ROTH is what chaps the behind of socialists more than anything. But, as said, with the large gains in the House and the Senate divided, I don't think the next two years will allow the Dems to act out their dreams of confiscation of retirement assets.

That said, I will actively start moving away from putting new money into tax deferred structures in favor of business and real estate investments. No sense in putting all the proverbial eggs in one basket.



Dutch,
For those that may have missed it please repost what happened with your brother and his retirement account in the Netherlands.

That should be a wake up call to all regarding socialism and government mandates by the socialist..

Thanks in advance.


In short, he retired this year, and by law, his equivalent of the 401(K) was converted into a government run pension, with a calculated interest rate of 1%. Well into 7 figures, lawfully taken. Poof, gone. Nothing will go to his heirs, ever. Oh, and they still tax the pension proceeds as income.

Think it can't happen here? "To protect people from running out of money in their golden years"? A nano second after they see a glimmer of daylight to get it passed.




Thanks, Dutch.

And, Damn, it hurts to read that again and know fully well that it can happen here all to quickly, electronically and by fiat executive order.

I wished that every poster including trolls and liberals here at The Campfire will read what you were good enough to repost.


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Anybody that believes the Bolsheviks aren't drooling over their 401K is a naive fool


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PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha

Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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Anybody that believes the Bolsheviks aren't drooling over their 401K is a naive fool


Fact.


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And we will have FBI Agents in every garbage cans to spy on all White males over age 45.
You guys believe the moon landings was a hoax too?
Let me sell you some Ocean front property in Nevada, I’ll give you a really attractive price.
Y’all need to worry more about how many blades of grass will sprout up next spring than this crap, the only real topic mentioned was the Estate Tax, and it may happen.
I’m hacking your cell phone right now to steal your 401k!
Damn fella’s get a grip

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Originally Posted by Sharecropper
And we will have FBI Agents in every garbage cans to spy on all White males over age 45.
You guys believe the moon landings was a hoax too?
Let me sell you some Ocean front property in Nevada, I’ll give you a really attractive price.
Y’all need to worry more about how many blades of grass will sprout up next spring than this crap, the only real topic mentioned was the Estate Tax, and it may happen.
I’m hacking your cell phone right now to steal your 401k!
Damn fella’s get a grip


Yeah, it's never been done before...... lmao


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PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha

Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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I don't believe the political will is there right now to screw with 401ks. It would be political suicide. Damn near everybody has one.


Christ sakes they have democrats believing white privilege is a real thing, they have them believing they are racist because they are white and only to overcome that give money to the poor, helpless, less fortunate. They will gladly stand by as their 401K’s ars raided all in the name of good and doing the right thing. Because you are selfish if you think you need 100k, 200k, 300k, 400k,500k,600k retirement accounts. Shame on you for being selfish! You damn racist born to white privilege! That’s what they will tell you.. So yeah no such thing as political suicide anymore when all they have to do is call you racist!

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Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego.

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I don't believe the political will is there right now to screw with 401ks. It would be political suicide. Damn near everybody has one.


Christ sakes they have democrats believing white privilege is a real thing, they have them believing they are racist because they are white and only to overcome that give money to the poor, helpless, less fortunate. They will gladly stand by as their 401K’s ars raided all in the name of good and doing the right thing. Because you are selfish if you think you need 400k,50k,600k retirement accounts. Shame on you for being selfish! You damn racist born to white privilege! That’s what they will tell you.. So yeah no such thing as political suicide anymore when all they have to do is call you racist!



The democrats took the gloves off pre 2016. This ain’t gonna go down by using Queen of Marquesberry rules


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Originally Posted by Sharecropper
And we will have FBI Agents in every garbage cans to spy on all White males over age 45.
You guys believe the moon landings was a hoax too?
Let me sell you some Ocean front property in Nevada, I’ll give you a really attractive price.
Y’all need to worry more about how many blades of grass will sprout up next spring than this crap, the only real topic mentioned was the Estate Tax, and it may happen.
I’m hacking your cell phone right now to steal your 401k!
Damn fella’s get a grip


No slam meant when I say that you obviously haven’t been listening to Pelosi’s comments about accessibility to Retirement accounts.

The Estate tax pales in comparison to the golden egg.


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I've been saying for years that they will come after retirement funds. "You were so privileged to have been able to scrimp, save, sacrifice, so you need to share with those unfortunate enough to have not."


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Originally Posted by Steve
I've been saying for years that they will come after retirement funds. "You were so privileged to have been able to scrimp, save, sacrifice, so you need to share with those unfortunate enough to have not."


Bingo we have a winner!


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Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego.

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Originally Posted by Steve
I've been saying for years that they will come after retirement funds. "You were so privileged to have been able to scrimp, save, sacrifice, so you need to share with those unfortunate enough to have not."


I think it will be “ to protect you from running out of money because of imprudent decisions and becoming a burden on society”.

With the stroke of a pen.


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We’re running $27 trillion dollars debt.
That’s 27,000 billions. That’s 27,000,000 millions.
That’s roughly 1/3 of the entire global economies GDP.
That’s 1/4 of the entire wealth of the the United States. So they’d have to steal 1 of every 4 dollars of wealth in existence in the U.S. to pay that off.

Taxation is a waste of time. Wealth, monetized in fiat currency is a [bleep] joke.



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Originally Posted by Dutch
Originally Posted by Steve
I've been saying for years that they will come after retirement funds. "You were so privileged to have been able to scrimp, save, sacrifice, so you need to share with those unfortunate enough to have not."


I think it will be “ to protect you from running out of money because of imprudent decisions and becoming a burden on society”.

With the stroke of a pen.



Net effect will be the same.


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Originally Posted by jackmountain
We’re running $27 trillion dollars debt.
That’s 27,000 billions. That’s 27,000,000 millions.
That’s roughly 1/3 of the entire global economies GDP.
That’s 1/4 of the entire wealth of the the United States. So they’d have to steal 1 of every 4 dollars of wealth in existence in the U.S. to pay that off.

Taxation is a waste of time. Wealth, monetized in fiat currency is a [bleep] joke.




I have no concerns about our government ever paying off the debt or even paying it down. It ain’t gonna happen and was never intended to be paid off but only to service the debt thus our long term low interest rates and for a long time to come.

There will be a worldwide monetary reset in the future, there will have to be one.

Now, Jack,,,,can you and I run our personal business like that? Well hell no but do look at people heavily in debt with the IRS and other entities who settle those debts for fractions of the total amount and there you’ll see the coming International monetary reset,

Or not.


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Without a doubt. Every in this happens by design.
A world, digital currency is forth coming. Sooner than later.
We allow it, freedom is dead.



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Originally Posted by jackmountain
Without a doubt. Every in this happens by design.
A world, digital currency is forth coming. Sooner than later.
We allow it, freedom is dead.

While waiting for my wife to check out 24 out of 27 customers checking out at Walmart paid using some kind of card. My concern is, how much is the tax going to be on the cash that folks have squirreled away when everything goes digital? I feel like having enough cash put up to pay bills and live off for a few years isn't going to be a good thing.


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Without a doubt. Every in this happens by design.
A world, digital currency is forth coming. Sooner than later.
We allow it, freedom is dead.

While waiting for my wife to check out 24 out of 27 customers checking out at Walmart paid using some kind of card. My concern is, how much is the tax going to be on the cash that folks have squirreled away when everything goes digital? I feel like having enough cash put up to pay bills and live off for a few years isn't going to be a good thing.


Good point, TG. The government can be very innovative as we all know.

What would it be called? Maybe something like a “Handling (inconvenience) Tax?

Heh, the possibilities for being screwed over are just about endless and those things will happen with the hitting of a few computer keys. I doubt that there’ll be any Congressional debates on it.

Again, jmo.


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Legislatively bills are put into place.

Free salary with the new green deal.

Open borders and free unlimited health care for anybody that wants it.

Free Housing, free food, free phones.

Pass the bills and incur the debt first...

The great transfer of wealth will happen later.

And I assure you it won't be the ultra-wealthy like Amazon or Walmart paying the bill. They will just raise prices and pass the tax along to you.


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We won't be going away from cash for a while. Iran and North Korea only accepts US dollars as bribes to behave.





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