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Been thinking about a new pump shotgun in .410 for pest control.

I bought a little single-shot .410, but a repeater would be nice.

Can't decide whether to get an 870 or mossy 500.

Which do you like best?

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870 Wingmaster, no question.

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Originally Posted by GF1
870 Wingmaster, no question.


+1000000 not even close...

Especially the 410 versions.


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Next question;

Where's the best place (cheapest) to buy a Remington 870 .410?

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Originally Posted by vbshootinrange
Next question;

Where's the best place (cheapest) to buy a Remington 870 .410?

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Virgil B.


Best deal on an 870 .410 is one of the Express models at ~$500, but I don't see any in stock at the usual places.

A nice blued Wingmaster is going to set you back closer to a $1000.

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can't do Remington 870 I've had too many fell on me, if i get one its gone as fast as i can get em!

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I have run 870's for decades and never had one fail on me. All older versions but reliable they have been. Even have one that has shot hundreds of rounds of skeet and the only thing I have had to change on it was a mag spring. I also have Mossberg 500's. Rough compared to an 870 at first but they do smooth up. I had trouble with the 20 gauge Mossberg because the factory did not cut the feed ramp on the barrel somehow. Fixed that in a heartbeat with a dremel and a stone. The 12 gauge is a Maverick version which I like better because of the safety location. This is my work/crappy weather shotgun. So far so good.


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I, like most gun guys have had a few 870's over the years. I however am a dyed in the wool model 12 guy. That being said the older model 870's while nowhere close to perfection as the model 12, are quite robust and durable. Spending quite a bit of time on the shogun range I can see where mooshoo is coming from. Many of the newer 870 express's had extraction issues. I have seen several shooters slamming their express butt first onto the sidewalk trying to get them to eject.

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Originally Posted by stuvwxyz
Many of the newer 870 express's had extraction issues. I have seen several shooters slamming their express butt first onto the sidewalk trying to get them to eject.


Rough chambers and the zinc-plated steel heads of discount shot-shells are a bad combination.

A few spins a fired case with a dab of fine valve grinding compound usually takes care of it.

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Originally Posted by stuvwxyz
Many of the newer 870 express's had extraction issues. I have seen several shooters slamming their express butt first onto the sidewalk trying to get them to eject.


Rough chambers and the zinc-plated steel heads of discount shot-shells are a bad combination.

A few spins a fired case with a dab of fine valve grinding compound usually takes care of it.


I have had rough chambers in Mossbergs also.


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The only real issue I have seen with an 870 was a broken firing pin. The unusual thing was the break was rough and continued to realign itself most of the time. It became an occasional misfire and moved into fairly regular before I took the bolt apart and found the pin break. I have seen a number of other minor things, mostly maintenance related.


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The only "serious" and not real common problems with 870's are a broken magazine tube, or a broken ejector. The ejector replacement requires drilling out the old rivets and refinishing the receiver. Magazine tube is soldered in and will also need the receiver to be refinished.

A couple years ago a friend had a brand new Express Super Mag that would not eject, it would just dribble the case out the side. He brought it to me to look at, the ejector was installed backwards by Remington. mad

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Originally Posted by mooshoo
can't do Remington 870 I've had too many fell on me, if i get one its gone as fast as i can get em!


How exactly does a pump shotgun fell, fail, on you?


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Would the Wingmaster be any smoother in operation than the Express? Or is the Wingmaster just more refined in finish?

Personally, I don't care for high gloss, unless it's a smoother/more dependable gun.

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I have owned a bunch of Wingmaster 870's over years and exactly three Express models. The only 870 shotguns I have ever had trouble with was a couple of the Express guns. In my experience the Wingmaster is worth every penny over an Express.


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Originally Posted by vbshootinrange
Would the Wingmaster be any smoother in operation than the Express? Or is the Wingmaster just more refined in finish?

Personally, I don't care for high gloss, unless it's a smoother/more dependable gun.

Virgil B.

The older Wingmasters are blued and nicely finished inside and out. I have not shot any of the more recent (post 2000) guns, but they look good. The Express's are bead-blast blue, it looks like parkerizing, and are rougher inside and out. Wingmasters look better and are smoother to operate, but the Express's work fine and are solid functional shotguns.

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For shooting pests? Get whichever one you can find cheaper.


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Originally Posted by grouseman
For shooting pests? Get whichever one you can find cheaper.



This.

The Mossberg 500s have alloy receivers, are as common as dirt, and are unlikely to be family heirlooms, but they are proven tools that sell in a lower price niche. If I was going to buy a pump action .410 barn gun, I'd buy a Mossberg. If I was going to buy a pump action .410 to shoot skeet, I'd pay extra for the fit and finish of the Remington 870.

I've never owned a Mossberg 500 in .410, but have owned them in 20, 16, and 12 gauge. My 20 gauge rifled bore slug gun is more accurate than either of the Remington 870s with rifled bore barrels.

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If you can afford it, get a genuine Wingmaster, new or used

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