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US election 2020: Trump ally Chris Christie urges him to accept defeat

A prominent ally of Donald Trump has urged him to drop his efforts to overturn his loss to Joe Biden in the US presidential election.

Former New Jersey Governor Chris Christie called the president's legal team a "national embarrassment".

President Trump has refused to concede the election, making unsubstantiated claims of widespread electoral fraud.

Many Republicans have supported his legal efforts but a small but growing number have broken ranks.

On Saturday Mr Trump suffered a major blow in Pennsylvania, after a judge dismissed a lawsuit from the Trump campaign seeking to invalidate millions of mail-in votes in the battleground state.

In a scathing ruling, Judge Matthew Brann said his court had been presented with "strained legal arguments without merit and speculative accusations".

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The move paves the way for Pennsylvania to certify Mr Biden's win - the Democratic president-elect leads there by more than 80,000 votes.

The certification is due to happen later on Monday, but the Trump campaign is appealing against the ruling.

Mr Biden is projected to defeat President Trump 306 to 232 in the US electoral college, which determines who becomes president - far above the 270 he needs to win.

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Speaking to ABC's This Week programme on Sunday, Mr Christie, a former New Jersey governor, said: "Quite frankly, the conduct of the president's legal team has been a national embarrassment".

He said the Trump camp was often discussing election fraud "outside the courtroom, but when they go inside the courtroom they don't plead fraud and they don't argue fraud".

"I have been a supporter of the president's. I voted for him twice. But elections have consequences, and we cannot continue to act as if something happened here that didn't happen."

Attorney Sidney Powell, a member of US President Donald J Trump's legal team, speaks about the president's legal challenges to his election loss to President-elect Joe Biden in the Republican National Committee Headquarters in Washington, DC, USA, 19 November 2020
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image captionSidney Powell made unsubstantiated claims at a news conference by Trump's legal team on Thursday
Mr Christie was the first governor to endorse Mr Trump as a presidential candidate back in 2016. He also helped prepare the US president for his debates with Mr Biden earlier this year.

He singled out for criticism Sidney Powell, a lawyer who appeared with Trump's legal team during a press conference on Thursday. She claimed, without providing evidence, that electronic voting systems switched millions of ballots to Biden, and that he also won thanks to "communist money".

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The constitutionality of the unilateral change to PA's voting process needs to be thoroughly vetted by an independent body.

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Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
The constitutionality of the unilateral change to PA's voting process needs to be thoroughly vetted by an independent body.


Exactly. Even if the results in other states make the PA results irrelevant, this needs to go to the Supreme Court. This was a very clear violation of the state's constitution by the executive branch and must be addressed very firmly by the Supreme Court. The results of national elections cannot depend on which party controls the governors office in any particular state. You would think even the liberal justices would be on board with this because there are swing states with Republican governors too. This is not an issue of evidence or whether a judge believes a poll worker was instructed to handle ballots in a certain way. The facts are undisputed and the constitution needs to be upheld.


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He never will.

Nor will his base.

We know what's right and what's not.


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There is too much evidence stacking up to just put it aside because some comfy politicians and media wish to get back to fleecing the taxpayers. Screw all these posers on both sides of the aisle. Unleash hell on em, and I don't give a rat's ash about their feelings!

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The same media that promoted the fake Russia, Russia, Russia BS has switched to full time, 24/7... "Trump lost, Biden is your new President... so bend over!"

Fug them.

I didn't believe them then, and don't now.

They may well seat Biden as POTUS. But we all know how he got there.


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Originally Posted by rockinbbar
The same media that promoted the fake Russia, Russia, Russia BS has switched to full time, 24/7... "Trump lost, Biden is your new President... so bend over!"

Fug them.

I didn't believe them then, and don't now.

They may well seat Biden as POTUS. But we all know how he got there.


That's right anybody who can't see through their BS is an idiot !

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It was time long, long ago. He still needs to accept that he didn't win the popular votes in 2016 - he lost that to Hillary, of all people smile .

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Christie is an ally?


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Hell No! Democrats forfeited the election when they cheated.

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If this election is let go we will never ever have a free election again.


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Accept that he lost? If he did, then yes. If he thinks there's fraud then no. But he either has to prove it or accept it, there can't be a middle ground where he just complains he lost, but doesn't back it up.

If there was provable fraud in a place, like PA that doesn't actually effect the outcome, it's still worth following it to the end and getting it exposed.

The bottom line is the future of our election process. Is it trustworthy.

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Trump aligns himself with some strange allies - people that I don't think have his best interest in mind.

Christie is one of them, hell, Guliani is one of them too IMO.

I think both of them did him a disservice in his first debate prep, Christie wasn't given a job due to Kushner (which I think he should have been given the head DOJ job). Its been a strange path for Trump to this point.


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Originally Posted by mtnsnake
Hell No! Democrats forfeited the election when they cheated.


Except and accept that they didn't cheat.

Just give it up. Didn't happen.

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OH, I can guarantee you the cheating happened. Easy to get away with it too, when you have everyone in cahoots!

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Originally Posted by troublesome82
OH, I can guarantee you the cheating happened.

Prove it. You can't, so you will divert to name calling, insults, and misdirection.


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Easy to get away with it too, when you have everyone in cahoots!

Actually, with so many (>6 million!) people involved it would be very hard to get away with. Surely someone, many someones would squeal. Doesn't seem to be happening.

Let's see the proof.

This is known as Put Up or Shut Up Time, losers and suckers.

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With all due respect, this election is over. Was it stolen? YES! Has anyone "proven" it was, no. If anyone believes Biden won GA they are from another planet. But, where is the proof? If there was proof, it would have come out by now. What we have now is conjecture and innuendo. Like the Russia probe, that goes only so far and then reality surfaces and we all say, "I told you so." Sadly, yes, I believe it's now time to accept the loss and move all our efforts in support of our GA candidates for the Senate. That way we can stop many of the outrageous plans of the far left. Let's face the fact that on January 20th there will be a new President and sadly it will not be Trump.

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