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I am thinking about getting an M12 Extreme in a 30-06 for my "last" centerfire rifle I will need.

I just sold off my entire Blaser R93 collection, and I want to have 1 really good rifle to hunt everything with. The 30-06 fits that bill for me.

Is the M12 as good as I'm reading in the reviews?

Sounds like a very accurate, solid build rifle.

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I like what I’ve seen, but never laid hands on one. Eurooptic had good prices on some models.

The M03s really tickle me, but oh boy the price!


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I called Eurooptics today and asked his opinion on the M12 vs. the Cooper Excalibur. In seconds he said the m12 was better built, with better barrel

That is pretty impressive if true.

Cooper 30-06 was high on my list.

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I have an M12 in 6.5x55 (blued/walnut) and it has become one of my favourite rifles. It is fitted with a 3-9x36 Swarovski with #4 reticle to keep the Euro feel. It shoots every bullet bar one (140gn Speer) into under an inch at 100m straight out of the box. No fiddling with bedding or trigger, just clean, add scope and shoot. I have always been a .257 Roberts fan but I have been carrying this rifle a fair bit over the past couple of years. It has kicked off my interest in 6.5mm rifles. It was my first .264 bore but after hunting with it for a few years I have added a 6.5CM and 6.5x57 and have just bought cases and dies in 6.5x47. I am loading the excellent RWS 127gn Cone Point at a mild 2800 fps. Very, very nice rifle that just keeps shooting little groups consistently.

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If there is a knock on the M12 its that the barrel is press fit. The M18, the follow on to the M12 has a threaded barrel, as does the Sauer 100.


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I have wood stock M12 in 300WM, great 2lb trigger, shots SB 180gr SPCE into one inch easy.


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I couldn't stand it. I have a 30-06 extreme on the way

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You'll like it. check out youtube for some M12's shooting long distance. I believe the event was in the UK.


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I have an Extreme in 9.3. I'll never sell it and I don't fall in love very easily.

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Can’t wait for my 30-06 to arrive

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So far I am very impressed with everything on this M12. The trigger is crisp and light. The 3 position safety works perfectly, the Blaser barrel is coated and bore is spotless clean.

Love the rubbery feel of the stock, and the overall weight of the rifle is on the perfectly balanced light side.

I've owned some very high end rifles before, but this might be the best of the best for me. I simply can't find anything to not like.

Mounting a 3-12 S&B Klassic on it this weekend and hopefully get to range.

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I acquired what appears to be an early M12 Expert in 30-06 for a very good price with the thought of possibly trading it for something more vintage. It’s not going anywhere. I’ve only tried one load, but it shot that into less than an inch. It has beautiful wood and the weight is just about perfect.

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I have a buddy that uses them as loaners for his outfitter business. They haven't been babied and have held up for years. I've never owned one but have shot them. It's allot of rifle for the money. I wouldn't hesitate to pick one up

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Better than a custom rifle IMO

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The Mauser website shows the Extreme with iron sights, Europtic and other sites show a clean barrel, no sights. Which is the case with the current production rifles?

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I have the J.P. Sauer equivalent model 101 with the fancier wood stock and iron sights. Excellent rifle, accurate and very well made. Not as cheap as they once were, but worth the money IMHO.

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Is this a good price? I bought one of their single actions a bit ago and get sent mailers.

https://stdgun.com/mauser-m12-30-06-springfield-extreme-rifle-22-barrel/


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Look at GunBroker, yes indeed I would say that is a good price. These are not the same rifle as the M18 Mauser, Sauer 100.

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My barrel has no sites

Eurooptics has them

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Originally Posted by EdM
Is this a good price? I bought one of their single actions a bit ago and get sent mailers.

https://stdgun.com/mauser-m12-30-06-springfield-extreme-rifle-22-barrel/


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Is this a good price? I bought one of their single actions a bit ago and get sent mailers.

https://stdgun.com/mauser-m12-30-06-springfield-extreme-rifle-22-barrel/


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If you manage to get one for that, let us know. I think about $900 is the lowest I've seen them for on closeout.

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That m12 impact 308 for $499 is to hard to believe

Says it’s in stock too

I think the impact has a different barrel than the extreme but that deal seems too good to be true

I’m not familiar with the seller.

I’m gonna call them tomorrow

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About half price from what I have seen. Interested to know if it's real.

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looks to be sold out

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Originally Posted by miguel
The Mauser website shows the Extreme with iron sights, Europtic and other sites show a clean barrel, no sights. Which is the case with the current production rifles?

The Mauser website is marketing to the European market where open sights are pretty standard. I think most of the ones sent to the US are without sights.


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Is this a good price? I bought one of their single actions a bit ago and get sent mailers.

https://stdgun.com/mauser-m12-30-06-springfield-extreme-rifle-22-barrel/


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That's more like M18 pricing that's on sale.


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I ordered one of the M12 Impact Black 308 rifle for $499. Couldn't pass it up.

Order went through fine.

Steal of a deal




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About half price from what I have seen. Interested to know if it's real.


They are $2,000 at Eurooptics

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Originally Posted by cooperfan
I ordered one of the M12 Impact Black 308 rifle for $499. Couldn't pass it up.

Order went through fine.

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Good news. They are a solid company, a division of CSMC.

https://connecticutshotgun.co/


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Originally Posted by cooperfan
I ordered one of the M12 Impact Black 308 rifle for $499. Couldn't pass it up.

Order went through fine.

Steal of a deal




I ordered one too. I think I finally got in on a great deal! Really looking forward to getting my hands on this one.

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After handling the Extreme I was in love but not necessarily smitten with the calibers remaining on shelves. That said, hopefully I have an Impact on the way (I can't imagine they still have inventory), thats too good of a deal to pass up.

Thanks for the heads up!

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I hope I am wrong, but I believe that they will send you guys a M18 not a M12. If you end up with a M12 for that price, you have made the gun deal of the decade.

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There’s nothing to indicate it’s a M18. It’s a M12 Impact, which differs some from the Extreme.

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I had an M12 extreme in 9.3x62 in 2015 and 2016.

I had issues with the recoil lug and bolt release.

The recoil lug / front action screw action anchor system was repaired by warranty and done so quickly. The problem was the threads which anchored the system to the receiver stripped.

The bolt release issue was when the bolt was removed the release would not return to the lock position without disassembly and reassembly.

Both in my mind were significant issues perhaps caused or exacerbated by an overly complex design.

The decorative base plate on the magazine fell of within weeks of getting the rifle.

The positive aspects to the rifle were: very “agile” rifle, great iron sights, slick action, accurate and easy to shoot from all field positions.

Perhaps I had a “lemon” rifle but for the price the issues I had were unacceptable.

I hope my experience with the rifle is a very rare occurrence.

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Deal of the year for sure

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The importer will install factory irons if you wish

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I've always wanted to build a modern version of an early commercial 98. This will do the trick but what scope!?!?!? Straight 6 Kahles for that distinctly European look, vx3 2.5-8, Swaro z3??? This deal caught me off guard, usually a new rifle is 10 months of planning (overthinking) and all decisions are made by the time anything is bought!

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Well, the Model 12 Mauser is not a K98 or even close.

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Originally Posted by smithrjd
Well, the Model 12 Mauser is not a K98 or even close.


I'm well aware though i probably didn't elaborate enough to show that. This is no 98 for sure, though the stock design, safety, and bolt handle (correction, bolt handle of the M12 Extreme) screams Mauser to me and are very similar to the choices I'll make when i finally save enough pennies to send off the '09 action I've got taking up shelf space in the safe.

In any case, i got tracking info on my rifle today. I honestly figured they'd be out by the time i ordered mine, guess not.

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For those who have ordered, let us know when it arrives and if you get a true M12

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Evans when did you order yours? I ordered this morning. Fingers crossed 😁


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Originally Posted by cooperfan
I just sold off my entire Blaser R93 collection, and I want to have 1 really good rifle to hunt everything with.


Going from an R93 to an M12 seems like going backwards to me. But, I have no experience with either. I would appreciate your views and insights on that transition. Just don't like the straight-pull action?

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Evans when did you order yours? I ordered this morning. Fingers crossed 😁


I ordered yesterday (Thursday) morning. Tracking came through this afternoon, projected delivery to dealer is the 23rd!

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Originally Posted by 4th_point
Originally Posted by cooperfan
I just sold off my entire Blaser R93 collection, and I want to have 1 really good rifle to hunt everything with.


Going from an R93 to an M12 seems like going backwards to me. But, I have no experience with either. I would appreciate your views and insights on that transition. Just don't like the straight-pull action?


Blaser Is a fine rifle for sure. I had many barrels over the years, and all shot well. I had a K95 as well, an liked that. I can understand you thinking it's backwards move

In a nutshell, I got tired of it. All the loose parts, storing barrels, etc

M12 I really all I need.

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Evans when did you order yours? I ordered this morning. Fingers crossed 😁


I ordered yesterday (Thursday) morning. Tracking came through this afternoon, projected delivery to dealer is the 23rd!



Mine is on the way as well

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For those who have ordered, let us know when it arrives and if you get a true M12


What else would it be??

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What are you all planning on scoping your new M12’s with? I just ordered a Steiner GS3 2-10x42 with the 4a reticle. Should make a really nice combo.

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What are you all planning on scoping your new M12’s with? I just ordered a Steiner GS3 2-10x42 with the 4a reticle. Should make a really nice combo.

Ordered it from Cameralandny. Doug has them for $599, smoking deal.

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Originally Posted by cooperfan
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I just sold off my entire Blaser R93 collection, and I want to have 1 really good rifle to hunt everything with.


Going from an R93 to an M12 seems like going backwards to me. But, I have no experience with either. I would appreciate your views and insights on that transition. Just don't like the straight-pull action?


Blaser Is a fine rifle for sure. I had many barrels over the years, and all shot well. I had a K95 as well, an liked that. I can understand you thinking it's backwards move

In a nutshell, I got tired of it. All the loose parts, storing barrels, etc

M12 I really all I need.


I totally get it. Sometimes things don't click. Thanks for the reply.

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Originally Posted by cooperfan
I ordered one of the M12 Impact Black 308 rifle for $499. Couldn't pass it up.

Order went through fine.

Steal of a deal





So much for thinning that herd!

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I ordered one of the M12 Impact Black 308 rifle for $499. Couldn't pass it up.

Order went through fine.

Steal of a deal





So much for thinning that herd!


HAHA so true.

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Originally Posted by miguel
What are you all planning on scoping your new M12’s with? I just ordered a Steiner GS3 2-10x42 with the 4a reticle. Should make a really nice combo.


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They have the Sauer 100 in 6.5cm available for $449 also. smile

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Anyone's arrive? No surprises?

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Mine is due Wednesday, doubt I’ll take possession before next Monday.

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I have one that is supposed to be delivered today, SHOULD be getting it tomorrow. Will let you know what it is if no one’s reported yet. I’m pretty solid that it is the M12 Black Impact advertised for up to $1500ish on the European gun sites.


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These rifle ARE Mauser M12’s. Very good rifle for the $, lightweight, light trigger, I’m very happy with it. Came with a 1 piece rail in box with a Recknagel label on it and the only thing different would be I don’t see a threaded muzzle.


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Did anyone notice the wood-stocked ones for the same price? You have to hit the right-arrow to see them.

Listing says .30/06, but the description says .270. Wouldn’t matter to me really.

Wa sorely tempted, but have three regular Mausers, am getting old, and have stuff standing in corners.


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Originally Posted by Pappy348
Did anyone notice the wood-stocked ones for the same price? You have to hit the right-arrow to see them.

Listing says .30/06, but the description says .270. Wouldn’t matter to me really.

Wa sorely tempted, but have three regular Mausers, am getting old, and have stuff standing in corners.


This. I want one so badly but I have a bunch of rifles I'm not shooting now. I'm tempted and they aren't even LH configs. I'm a sick man...


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Did anyone notice the wood-stocked ones for the same price? You have to hit the right-arrow to see them.

Listing says .30/06, but the description says .270. Wouldn’t matter to me really.

Wa sorely tempted, but have three regular Mausers, am getting old, and have stuff standing in corners.


This. I want one so badly but I have a bunch of rifles I'm not shooting now. I'm tempted and they aren't even LH configs. I'm a sick man...


Same here. I just couldn’t justify it. I mean crap, the only deer I killed this year I killed with receiver sighted 45/70. Where and how I hunt, that rifle would probably serve for 80% of my hunts for the rest of my life. And I still have rifles all over the house and in a safe and on a bench waiting for this or that tweak to make it “perfect”.

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Originally Posted by msalm
These rifle ARE Mauser M12’s. Very good rifle for the $, lightweight, light trigger, I’m very happy with it. Came with a 1 piece rail in box with a Recknagel label on it and the only thing different would be I don’t see a threaded muzzle.


I never had any doubts

Can't wait to get mine.

Very nice people there too. They called me to confirm my FFL delivery address. I thought that was nice.

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Did anyone notice the wood-stocked ones for the same price? You have to hit the right-arrow to see them.

Listing says .30/06, but the description says .270. Wouldn’t matter to me really.

Wa sorely tempted, but have three regular Mausers, am getting old, and have stuff standing in corners.


This. I want one so badly but I have a bunch of rifles I'm not shooting now. I'm tempted and they aren't even LH configs. I'm a sick man...


Same here. I just couldn’t justify it. I mean crap, the only deer I killed this year I killed with receiver sighted 45/70. Where and how I hunt, that rifle would probably serve for 80% of my hunts for the rest of my life. And I still have rifles all over the house and in a safe and on a bench waiting for this or that tweak to make it “perfect”.


I haven’t killed a deer with a gun of any sort since 2016. No shot in 2017. Bought an xbow in 2018 and have put 5 in the can with that so far. We won’t talk about the shot I whiffed last season with my Fieldcraft.

Still, this might just be the rifle-buying-est year ever for me. Sold a couple too, but there’s definitely been a net-gain of guns, as my son likes to say.


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Mine was delivered today, heading over in an hour or so to pick it up... I may be more giddy about this one that any other gun purchase in the last 5 years, not sure if that is excitement about the rifle or the price I paid.

Still working on a scope, likely the easiest decision that I overthink THE most.

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Very nice rifle at any price, but for $510 delivered its exceptional IMO.

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Originally Posted by msalm
These rifle ARE Mauser M12’s. Very good rifle for the $, lightweight, light trigger, I’m very happy with it. Came with a 1 piece rail in box with a Recknagel label on it and the only thing different would be I don’t see a threaded muzzle.

Very tempted, though I don't need another file. Maybe the none threaded muzzle is a show stopper for me, LOL


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How is the balance on the M12 Impact model? I’m unsure how the shorter (20 inch) barrel will handle. Also, does the extended bolt handle seem too long?

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Originally Posted by msalm
Very nice rifle at any price, but for $510 delivered its exceptional IMO.


I'm not looking for a .308, but seems like a heck of a deal. Kudos to Ed! Or did you buy it from somewhere other than Standard?

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Balance is great IMO, the barrel is a bit heavier, maybe like a #4 sporter (Shilen/Douglas contours). Very light flutes and weight is balanced between the hands but there is weight there. Trigger feels like the listed 2lbs and I’m looking forward to shooting it.


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Great to read gentlemen.


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Damn fine bargain. Good on all of you....

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I’ve put one of these in the ‘cart’ several times.....always delete it out..........until today. All I needed was one "the trigger sux" or "it's too heavy" or "stock is just ok", but nooooo everything is great. WTH one will be coming to TN now. It's a sickness I tell ya 😂


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You will not be sorry. I only have one gripe, it doesn't have the graceful bolt knob of the Extreme. BUT, the larger, longer knob is really good from a practical standpoint. I'm really in love with everything about the stock, lines and fit are perfect, for me. Not to slim but not so much bulk that the weight/ balance suffers.

I really don't mind that it's not threaded, not i can have it done in 5/8x24 instead of the factory 15x1.

Pardon the gushing, I'll be in the honeymoon phase for a while on this one.

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Was out in the garage and saw I still had 308 dies and brass from years ago with no 308 so I just bit the bullet and just ordered one. My first new bolt rifle in decades. My birthday is in 5 days....


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Again, if it is anything close to the quality of my M12 Expert, it is a “bargain of the year” candidate. I’ve never seen a bore as mirror bright as my Expert.


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I really didn't need another 308 but at this price I just bought the M12 black impact. I hope it comes threaded like it says.

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Damn, I broke down too. Just ordered a wood stock 270....I think. The guy on the telephone didn't speak English very well. 499.00$


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Originally Posted by EdM
Was out in the garage and saw I still had 308 dies and brass from years ago with no 308 so I just bit the bullet and just ordered one. My first new bolt rifle in decades. My birthday is in 5 days....


Ed, I don't know whether to thank you or cuss you for the heads up on this deal!

Merry Christmas!


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Don't need a 308.........

....Don't not need one for $500.....

..... Fugggg

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the salesman on the phone said to email my dealers FFL to galazanmsn.com

Did anybody else send theirs to same location?


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Originally Posted by 1911a1
Damn, I broke down too. Just ordered a wood stock 270....I think. The guy on the telephone didn't speak English very well. 499.00$


I was told the wood stocked M12 was sold out. You may want to double check and make sure what you are getting.

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Damn, I broke down too. Just ordered a wood stock 270....I think. The guy on the telephone didn't speak English very well. 499.00$


I was told the wood stocked M12 was sold out. You may want to double check and make sure what you are getting.

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I have a feeling your right. Oh well.......


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the salesman on the phone said to email my dealers FFL to galazanmsn.com

Did anybody else send theirs to same location?


Yes address is the same as CSMC, appears to be the side of the business they run mostly AR's and import shotguns through... Once i figured that out i felt better about the legitimacy of the deal. Our at least that these people really existed.

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Originally Posted by msalm
Very nice rifle at any price, but for $510 delivered its exceptional IMO.


Nice!

Can anyone confirm the LOP on these? Nothing on the Mauser website or in the manual. One review said 14.5" IIRC. That seems long for a factory rifle.


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The wood stock model has been sold out for a while.

They still have the M12 Impacts available.

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The wood stock model has been sold out for a while.

They still have the M12 Impacts available.


Hopefully one less now - just checked out.

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Very nice rifle at any price, but for $510 delivered its exceptional IMO.


Nice!

Can anyone confirm the LOP on these? Nothing on the Mauser website or in the manual. One review said 14.5" IIRC. That seems long for a factory rifle.


I just bought 2 Sauer 100 xt's and they both seem to have a bit longer length of pull. From feel I'd say they are at least 14 but I'm 6'2" so it works well for me. I really like the way they feel. Maybe it's a German thing?

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The sickness overtook me just now.

M-12 308 on the way.

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Just got notice that my 308 shipped.


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Just got notice that my 308 shipped.


What day did you order it?


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Mine arrived yesterday. What a fine rifle.
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Mine arrived yesterday. What a fine rifle.
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That is aa fine looking rifle! Is your rifle Threaded?


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No, it is not threaded.

Just a word of caution. After a more thorough inspection, these rifles must have been sitting for a while. I noticed a hue to the bluing. A wipe with a white rag revealed orange. A swab of the bore followed. Very dark orange. A thorough cleaning ensued.

After having purchased new old stock rifles in the past, I don’t find this out of the ordinary.


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You people are a bunch of bastards. That’s all I can say.

You jackasses just haaaaaad to keep talking about those rifles.

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And you'll keep talking as well once you pick yours up!

I need to take a better pic but i got the old Husky out last night to meet its much younger cousin. I know the M12 isn't an old school Mauser in every sense but they're attention and understanding of building a natural, fast handling rifle hasn't changed. Both of these point better for me than many shotguns and just as fast. Too bad only the Husky has open sights.

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I received my Impact today as well. I'm blown away how nice these M12's are.

Matches my extreme very well.

I'm addicted, now I have to have a wood stocked one. LOL

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Just got notice that my 308 shipped.


What day did you order it?


Christmas Eve.


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Was this particular variant ever meant for the US market. All the reviews and articles I can find are for Europe.

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Was this particular variant ever meant for the US market. All the reviews and articles I can find are for Europe.


I'm thinking these were. Seems like they aren't threaded whereas the Euro reviews and photos all are.

Whats everyone using for rings? Not enamored with rails on bolt guns, thinking of going with a set of Lightweights.

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Great rifles, another bit of info I’ve heard but can’t verify, I’ve read in several articles the early m12 impact rifles were stainless barreled actions that’s coated black, that’s what these look to be but again I can’t verify, If anyone has additional info please share.

https://www.gunmart.net/gun-reviews/firearms/rifles/mauser-m12-impact-black

Notice in the article he claims a stainless bbl action with a black coating.

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Great rifles, another bit of info I’ve heard but can’t verify, I’ve read in several articles the early m12 impact rifles were stainless barreled actions that’s coated black, that’s what these look to be but again I can’t verify, If anyone has additional info please share.

https://www.gunmart.net/gun-reviews/firearms/rifles/mauser-m12-impact-black

Notice in the article he claims a stainless bbl action with a black coating.


I believe that is correct.

They are very nice rifles. Love both of my M12's

Just mounted a S&B 3-12x42 Klassic on my impact. The Recknagel scope mount that comes with it is very nice and sturdy, also about a $79 mount for free with the rifle. (I know because I have had the exact same one on backorder with NEGC for my M12 Extreme for a month).





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Great rifles, another bit of info I’ve heard but can’t verify, I’ve read in several articles the early m12 impact rifles were stainless barreled actions that’s coated black, that’s what these look to be but again I can’t verify, If anyone has additional info please share.

https://www.gunmart.net/gun-reviews/firearms/rifles/mauser-m12-impact-black

Notice in the article he claims a stainless bbl action with a black coating.


I believe that is correct.

They are very nice rifles. Love both of my M12's

Just mounted a S&B 3-12x42 Klassic on my impact. The Recknagel scope mount that comes with it is very nice and sturdy, also about a $79 mount for free with the rifle. (I know because I have had the exact same one on backorder with NEGC for my M12 Extreme for a month).






What rings are using with that base?

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Was this particular variant ever meant for the US market. All the reviews and articles I can find are for Europe.


I'm thinking these were. Seems like they aren't threaded whereas the Euro reviews and photos all are.

Whats everyone using for rings? Not enamored with rails on bolt guns, thinking of going with a set of Lightweights.


The add says the threads are 15/1. I'm not familiar at all with suppressors but I think that might be different that what we use in the US. Maybe they decided not to thread because they wanted the end user in the US to use what thread pitch they wanted. Just a theory YMMV,


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I’m using a set of fixed low warne rings on the included recknagel base, with a Bushnell 4200 3-9. Took mine to the range on New Year’s Eve. It showed a lot of accuracy potential. Last 5 shots were within an inch, with no cool down between shots.


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Just mounted a Leica 2-10 in Talley lightweight rings (Low) and shot a few rounds. GREAT rifle, especially at that price.

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I mounted a Steiner GS3 2-10x42 with the supplied Recknagel base and a set of Leupold PRW rings. I like the set up, but it is a very heavy mounting system. Msalm, what is the objective size on that Leica you’re using?

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It’s the ER series scope, believe it’s 50mm, 30mm tube. Plenty of space with the Talley Low rings.


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Those of you who bought: are these pillared and did anyone establish if they're stainless under the Teflon?

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It’s the ER series scope, believe it’s 50mm, 30mm tube. Plenty of space with the Talley Low rings.

Thank you sir! I think I'll give the Talley lows a try.

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https://www.mauser.com/en/mauser-12/mauser-12-black-impact.html

Really no way to tell from their website, maybe an email to Mauser might help?


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I tried to call Mauser (Blaser USA) CS but no one answered. The folks selling them think they're from 2018 but aren't sure about metal under the Teflon.

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I was looking at their website - they sure have some pretty "examples" for the K98 type of rifles.

Absolutely scared to even ask what a 375 H&H would go for from them....


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Talked to Mauser. Majority of these imported were not threaded because the metric conversion was a pain. It's not stainless under the Teflon coating.

Talked to STD. These guns likely date to 2018.

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Originally Posted by clockwork_7mm_gator
It's not stainless under the Teflon coating.


That is what Mauser/Blaser/Sauer-USA told me as well. Same base metal as the blued version, with the Teflon coating. And not blued stainless.

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It's not stainless under the Teflon coating.


That is what Mauser/Blaser/Sauer-USA told me as well. Same base metal as the blued version, with the Teflon coating. And not blued stainless.

Haha I think we talked to the same rep. She was very confused why multiple callers wanted to know about it. She also said Mauser hiked prices in 2020 and is likely to do it again. So these might be an even better deal than we know.

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That is funny. The first thing that she asked, was whether I was calling about the M12 Impact. I said, "No. Actually the M18!".

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So aside from the bolt on an M12 Extreme being jeweled and the longer, unfluted barrel... what is actually different between the M12 Impact and the M12 Extreme? From what I've gathered on Mauser's website, the Extreme isn't stainless under the teflon coating either.

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I just picked up my m12 308 black impact today. Nice rifle but I'm disappointed it's not threaded and mine didn't have the base in with it either.

Did all of yours come with the base?

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Very nice rifle at any price, but for $510 delivered its exceptional IMO.


Nice!

Can anyone confirm the LOP on these? Nothing on the Mauser website or in the manual. One review said 14.5" IIRC. That seems long for a factory rifle.


I just bought 2 Sauer 100 xt's and they both seem to have a bit longer length of pull. From feel I'd say they are at least 14 but I'm 6'2" so it works well for me. I really like the way they feel. Maybe it's a German thing?

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I'm 6' but have long arms, so should fit pretty well.


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Just pulled the trigger on the Impact Black.

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Tidbits.....

Talley makes their standard bases and also their lightweight rings for these.


These EGW's are lesser known great lightweight economical options if you stick with the rail:

https://www.brownells.com/optics-mo...l-aluminum-rings-prod41013.aspx?psize=96


The bolt knob is easily removed and replaced if you prefer a different style. I chucked my round one up from my Extreme in a drill and shaped and polished it into a large teardrop. Surface finish is now better than original.

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I just picked up my m12 308 black impact today. Nice rifle but I'm disappointed it's not threaded



Not good, one of the reasons why I have one coming.

What Standard advertises.

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anybody else have one waiting to be shipped when you log back in and check the status

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Mine is in shipping today and ordered just 2 days ago.

I prefer more common US thread spec so unthreaded makes me happy

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Mauser said most of the stateside models aren't threaded because of the metric issue. But I agree Std should update their ad.

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Those who have received rifles already: is the bolt stainless or blued?

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Sounds like they are blued, with a black treatment (teflon type) applied. As for threaded muzzles, I’m glad mine isn’t threaded, I have never has a 15x1mm threaded device and would rather thread it 9/16-24 or something more common here in the states.


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You guys that bought the Impact; how do you like the stock?


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Tracking says mine will arrive on Monday. A year or so ago I picked up a Leupold VX5 2-10X cheap at a pawn shop. I found some Warne rings that I have no idea where they came from as the mentioned scope is my first 30mm one. Must be take-off from some rifle I bought in the past? All said, I will continue on the "cheap" with this rifle. I picked up a couple of boxes of 150 gr TTSX's at my LGS yesterday. Looking forward to its arrival.


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I'm putting a VX5 on my 30-06 M12 Extreme if my scope base ever arrives.

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Stock is just fine, comfortable and pretty rigid. It seems a step up from othe cheap injection molded ones on budget rifles. Has a thin rubbery coating that feels good. LOP is 14+ but I had a few friends that were 5’7ish and they thought it felt really good. These are a great deal and I see nothing that I would change for what it is...mine is great and I’m going to enjoy using it.


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How hollow sounding are those stocks? I held a Sauer 101 in Cabelas yesterday. The stock felt right up there with a Ruger American in cheapness.

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These are not RAR or Mossberg Patriot level rifles and neither are the stocks. The stock is rigid/solid. You all realize these rifles retail for >$1500, right? Aside from these 308 Impacts from Standard MFG, try to find any version of the M12 for anywhere near the price. Just received UPS notice that my second one is on its way.


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These are not RAR or Mossberg Patriot level rifles and neither are the stocks. The stock is rigid/solid. You all realize these rifles retail for >$1500, right? Aside from these 308 Impacts from Standard MFG, try to find any version of the M12 for anywhere near the price.


This is spot on - got mine Wednesday and for $509 TYD nothing out there can touch these right now for the price. If they had other chamberings I'd buy one of every flavor.

Would I be in love at $1700+, I don't know - probably not.

The way I see it you're getting a brand new Camry for 8 year old domestic sedan dough - can't bitch its not an AMG.

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This is spot on - got mine Wednesday and for $509 TYD nothing out there can touch these right now for the price. If they had other chamberings I'd buy one of every flavor.

Would I be in love at $1700+, I don't know - probably not.

The way I see it you're getting a brand new Camry for 8 year old domestic sedan dough - can't bitch its not an AMG.


Well said. I would not be a buyer at full retail . . . but 1/4 retail, I'm all in. I tend to stay away from paying full retail for anything, especially hobby related stuff. Only factory-new rifle I can think of that I bought "not on sale", in a long time, was a new Model 70 I just purchased last February because it had some of the best wood I've ever seen on a factory production rifle.


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Curious? What does the m12 offer that the Sauer 100xt doesn’t? They’re both manufactured in same plant and same barrels? Yes or no?

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These are not RAR or Mossberg Patriot level rifles and neither are the stocks. The stock is rigid/solid. You all realize these rifles retail for >$1500, right? Aside from these 308 Impacts from Standard MFG, try to find any version of the M12 for anywhere near the price.


This is spot on - got mine Wednesday and for $509 TYD nothing out there can touch these right now for the price. If they had other chamberings I'd buy one of every flavor.

Would I be in love at $1700+, I don't know - probably not.

The way I see it you're getting a brand new Camry for 8 year old domestic sedan dough - can't bitch its not an AMG.


I was telling a buddy of mine the exact same thing. I would have 3 or 4 calibers of these if they had them.

Love the fluted barrel, Love the rubbery feeling solid stock, The trigger is fantastic, Recknagle scope base is awesome.

Seriously what is not to like?

I did pay big money for my Extreme, and I would again. And I would for the Impact

I will get a 6.5 creed in a Expert model from eurooptics this year most likely. Wish they had a .22LR!!

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Mine gets delivered today. I would've also snagged the walnut 06 but the guy at Std said they sold out in a nanosecond.

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Is this a good price? I bought one of their single actions a bit ago and get sent mailers.

https://stdgun.com/mauser-m12-30-06-springfield-extreme-rifle-22-barrel/


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Picked mine up today.....this is a friggin STEAL

Very nice rifle that looks and feels like quality. Can’t wait to shoot it.

Don’t know if it has been posted but mine weighed 6lb 9 oz


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I just looked and they still show available......may order another one to put away for a gift


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Looks like they are all gone now.

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Looks like they are all gone now.



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Received mine today and find it a very nice rifle except for the LOP at 14 1/2" Waaay to long.

Came with the rail attached to rifle.





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Well, dammit, I got it and it is a nice as everyone said. The Germans really make some nice schit. Anyone know why they like the length of pull to be so long in Europe. I kind of want to cut it down a little, but then again, I hate to and I’m open to considering any alleged advantages.

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Picking it up tomorrow. Interesting that some say no rail, some got rail attached, others had rail in box.

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I kind of want to cut it down a little, but then again


With a winter coat, you have a 15" lop, ridiculous.

And why have a 60 degree bolt lift when you can hardly work the bolt because the stock is so long?

My rifle went to my smith today to take it down to 13 1/4".
I like shorter stocks, and I'm 6'2".

With the 20" barrel it should make a nice compact rifle that my wife can use too.

Overall the rifle is high quality.

Looking to buy a 10 round magazine for it.





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I haven't checked out the throat length yet but the '06 magazine works flawlessly if you need more OAL.....

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the '06 magazine works flawlessly if you need more OAL.....


The magazine in my rifle has a block in it.

May be a good idea to get an '06 length mag.

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so are these long actions or short actions ?

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Long actions with a block in the magazine to accommodate the 308 Win.

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Got mine today. Came with the rail in the box. Very nice rifle. Wish it came with an extra mag more than the rail!

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I’ve got to say, this thing is niftier than two peckers. The fit and finish is great. The trigger is probably the best I e ever seen in a factory rifle. But what I really like as a longtime Mauser 98 fan (I have about a half dozen of them) is that it is very clearly in the lineage of the 98. Yeah, I know the bolt is different and I know it is a controlled round feed, but it just feels like a Mauser. And the receiver, the safety, and cocking piece all are very reminiscent of the 98. If the goal was to create a 21st century rifle that a 98 guy would find very comforting, I think they succeeded.

It’s kind of weird. Objectively, it’s nothing like a 98, but then again, the family resemblance is unmistakable.

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My LOP measures 14 3/8". Do the LOP's vary?


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My LOP measures 14 3/8". Do the LOP's vary?


And you are correct Ed, just a hair under 14 1/2". Still to long for me personally.

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Look forward to the work you're smith does. It appears he will have to cut right at the pad/stock juncture (not seeing any screws holding the pad), cut the amount to be removed from the stock, epoxy the original pad back on then fit it to the stock. Hopefully there is enough surface on the stock, i.e. not hollow, to attach the pad. Or go easy and not reuse the original pad.


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I haven't checked out the throat length yet but the '06 magazine works flawlessly if you need more OAL.....


So 308's feed fine from the '06 magazine?


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Got to test more. Bolt is a little sticky but I think it's mostly me not being used to the short throw. My only real complaint right now is that the safety is loud if you operate from a shooting position. (It can be quieter if you use both hands.) I'm assuming it'll smooth out over time.

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He will take the pad off to be able to reuse it.

He will be using a sander to bring it down to the spec I wanted.

When he pulls the pad off he'll see what he is up against.

I'll let you know.

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There’s about 3/4” of hollow ahead a glued in plate recessed in the buttstock that the pad screws to. Probably have to use a new pad as the factory one is grooved around the perimeter and fits a molded rib on the stock. Not sure you can go in 1” and grind the pad to fit the smaller toe length. IMO these are great rifles and mine shoots incredibly well. Talked several friends into snagging one or two also and picked up another couple. I had been thinking I may get a 30-06 mag and open up the chamber in one of them to 30-284...then realized with a 20” barrel what’s the point! I have nothing to complain about with these rifles though that’s for sure. I’m not sure an American made rifle costing 3 times as much would be as good as these are.


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There’s about 3/4” of hollow ahead a glued in plate recessed in the buttstock that the pad screws to. Probably have to use a new pad as the factory one is grooved around the perimeter and fits a molded rib on the stock. Not sure you can go in 1” and grind the pad to fit the smaller toe length. IMO these are great rifles and mine shoots incredibly well. Talked several friends into snagging one or two also and picked up another couple. I had been thinking I may get a 30-06 mag and open up the chamber in one of them to 30-284...then realized with a 20” barrel what’s the point! I have nothing to complain about with these rifles though that’s for sure. I’m not sure an American made rifle costing 3 times as much would be as good as these are.


Good info. Not worth the trouble for me.


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I just ordered three more for three my sons come 2021 Christmas...


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Well they must be getting down there. Two weeks ago they had 73 on hand.


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I just ordered three more for three my sons come 2021 Christmas...


Which vendor did you use? Europtic?

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The link is above in my first post on this thread, Standard Manufacturing, $509 shipped to your FFL. More than a bargain.


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The cocking piece/firing pin removal is one of the niftier things I’ve ever seen on a rifle.

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I ordered one before Christmas and it has not shipped yet. I’ve been told three times it would be shipping the day I contact them to inquire about status. Anyone else have this problem? Not pleased with their follow up.

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I ordered one before Christmas and it has not shipped yet. I’ve been told three times it would be shipping the day I contact them to inquire about status. Anyone else have this problem? Not pleased with their follow up.



They told me in person that it was shipping the day I called but when I logged in it didn't change status for 2-3 days. I called again and it turned out it *had* shipped and they just never updated the web app. Maybe worth calling your FFL to make sure it isn't sitting there? (It only took a couple days to ship after ordering.)

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yes i ordered one before xmas and still says awaiting shipment...asked for a refund today i dont need it that bad

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Make sure your FFL sent them the stuff. They aren’t proactive in getting it from the FFL. I had that problem with it sitting there “awaiting shipment”. I called and they didn’t have my FFL paperwork even though I had sent them all the info. I called my FFL to have them send it in again and once they did, it shipped the next day.

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I ordered on the 7th but my FFL messed up on their email address. He re-sent it Monday the 11th, and I also had him send it to me and emailed it to them myself. Still no shipment notification or change of status on my order page. Not answering their phone today.

Suspected they might have shipped it without updating, still trying to find out. Got a Meopro 6X42 and a set of Talley lightweights waiting for the rifle to show up.


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yeah i had to do that to....my ffl re sent it last friday and they found it tuesday after i emailed them again...still awaiting shipment as of today

asked for a refund today....hopefully it shows up on my card in a day or two

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Just got off the phone with them. He still said they hadn't received the FFL, so I insisted he re-check emails, and there it was. Going to ship Monday, he said.

I really don't understand the inability to communicate and follow through these days, especially given the ease and convenience of current technology. The folks at Standard aren't unique; 99% of the SNAFUs at work are caused by a lack of communication and/ or follow-through among middle management or administrative/clerical personnel. Or both.

Monday is better than never, but the rifle should have shipped Tuesday 1/12 at the latest.

GRRR . . .


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I ordered one Thursday night a week ago, went to my FFL Friday morning and had them send their FFL. Nothing, so I emailed them Tuesday and got a response saying it would ship that day. The status never changed so I called them Wednesday and they told me it would ship that day or the next. I finally got a UPS notification yesterday showing it was shipped. They aren’t very quick shipping or either overwhelmed.

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My first buy sailed through just fine over Christmas. I linked my FFL's website and all was good. He retired Jan 1 so I had a hiccup with my new FFL (wrong email address) for my recent order so met with him today and they sorted it. Three more coming. Never understood the urgency...


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Originally Posted by limabean
I ordered one Thursday night a week ago, went to my FFL Friday morning and had them send their FFL. Nothing, so I emailed them Tuesday and got a response saying it would ship that day. The status never changed so I called them Wednesday and they told me it would ship that day or the next. I finally got a UPS notification yesterday showing it was shipped. They aren’t very quick shipping or either overwhelmed.


They do not change the status...


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Picked mine up today. They forgot to charge me shipping charged my card 499.00$.The rail is attached. I'll remove clean every thing up with degreaser and remount with blue loctite.
There was no manual or warranty info in the box. Did anyone else get the manual and warranty card?

The trigger is the lightest I've ever seen. The quality of the rifle seems pretty good. I like the safety very much.


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Picked mine up today. They forgot to charge me shipping charged my card 499.00$.The rail is attached. I'll remove clean every thing up with degreaser and remount with blue loctite.
There was no manual or warranty info in the box. Did anyone else get the manual and warranty card?

The trigger is the lightest I've ever seen. The quality of the rifle seems pretty good. I like the safety very much.

That's weird about rail and manual. Mine had both, but rail not attached. I don't mean to be a jerk but that almost sounds like a return? Or maybe a demo/floor model?

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Picked mine up today. They forgot to charge me shipping charged my card 499.00$.The rail is attached. I'll remove clean every thing up with degreaser and remount with blue loctite.
There was no manual or warranty info in the box. Did anyone else get the manual and warranty card?

The trigger is the lightest I've ever seen. The quality of the rifle seems pretty good. I like the safety very much.

That's weird about rail and manual. Mine had both, but rail not attached. I don't mean to be a jerk but that almost sounds like a return? Or maybe a demo/floor model?


It had a hang tag on the trigger guard from Connecticut Shotgun with the model number and serial no. written on it. Maybe it was a demo or floor display. I wonder if I should call standard or Mauser to get a manual. I'll probably email Mauser


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Picked mine up today. They forgot to charge me shipping charged my card 499.00$.The rail is attached. I'll remove clean every thing up with degreaser and remount with blue loctite.
There was no manual or warranty info in the box. Did anyone else get the manual and warranty card?

The trigger is the lightest I've ever seen. The quality of the rifle seems pretty good. I like the safety very much.

That's weird about rail and manual. Mine had both, but rail not attached. I don't mean to be a jerk but that almost sounds like a return? Or maybe a demo/floor model?


It had a hang tag on the trigger guard from Connecticut Shotgun with the model number and serial no. written on it. Maybe it was a demo or floor display. I wonder if I should call standard or Mauser to get a manual. I'll probably email Mauser


I would imagine you're correct, re: that was a floor model. I bet Mauser (Blaser USA) would send you one.

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Picked mine up today. They forgot to charge me shipping charged my card 499.00$.The rail is attached. I'll remove clean every thing up with degreaser and remount with blue loctite.
There was no manual or warranty info in the box. Did anyone else get the manual and warranty card?

The trigger is the lightest I've ever seen. The quality of the rifle seems pretty good. I like the safety very much.


Mine came with all of the paperwork and the rail separate in a bubble wrap pack. Agree, crazy trigger. No questions a fine rifle which is why three more are incoming for Christmas 2021 for my three sons.


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I finally got a UPS notification yesterday showing it was shipped.


Email?


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Yes got it in my email, as far as urgency? from previous post I’m really in no hurry for the rifle but when they have been paid for the product it shouldn’t take nearly a week to get it shipped. That’s all.

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Picked mine up today. They forgot to charge me shipping charged my card 499.00$.The rail is attached. I'll remove clean every thing up with degreaser and remount with blue loctite.
There was no manual or warranty info in the box. Did anyone else get the manual and warranty card?

The trigger is the lightest I've ever seen. The quality of the rifle seems pretty good. I like the safety very much.


Mine came with all of the paperwork and the rail separate in a bubble wrap pack. Agree, crazy trigger. No questions a fine rifle which is why three more are incoming for Christmas 2021 for my three sons.



That's a heck of a bargain for 3 fine rifles for Christmas gifts. You boys are going to be happy.


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Gents - is the entire trigger mechanism attached to the action by the single, large hex-headed screw on the bottom, just forward the trigger itself? I don't see the normal pin set up from a Remington or a m98. (Asking before I do something stupid!)

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Is the trigger guard some type of metal, aluminum or polymer?

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The bottom metal is supposed to be all steel (one piece including the guard.) The mag is polymer.

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Originally Posted by clockwork_7mm_gator
The bottom metal is supposed to be all steel (one piece including the guard.) The mag is polymer.

Correction: based on magnet test:

Steel - barreled action, bolt, recoil lug, action screws

Aluminum - bottom metal, bolt knob

I'd based my previous answer on a European review from 2019 but the US version of these rifles clearly have some differences (not threaded, not stainless barrels, etc.). Sending the barreled action, bolt and screws off to H&M tomorrow.

PS - that hex bolt does attach the entire trigger mechanism. 1000x more convenient than punching pins. And id assume extra hardness from nitriding will make all three screws much harder to strip.

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Anybody else thinking about painting the stock? I hate black stocks on blued rifles.

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One other question. How is the barrel attached to the receiver? It doesn’t appear to be threaded and possibly is press fit? Anyone know for sure?

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Originally Posted by JoeBob
Anybody else thinking about painting the stock? I hate black stocks on blued rifles.

Yup. Gonna do krylon camo then clear coats.

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Got an email from UPS this morning. Rifle is supposed to be here Thursday.

I'm considering painting the stock as well. Is the entire thing "rubberized" or just the "checkered" grip areas?


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Originally Posted by ShaunRyan
Got an email from UPS this morning. Rifle is supposed to be here Thursday.

I'm considering painting the stock as well. Is the entire thing "rubberized" or just the "checkered" grip areas?

The entire thing. It's one of the nicest factory synthetic stocks I've seen. Way nicer than the Kimber's I've held.

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