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This is what QL shows for the 150gr Hornaday and Varget:

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Cartridge          : .30-06 Spring.  (SAAMI)
Bullet             : .308, 150, Hornady SP 3031
Useable Case Capaci: 64.410 grain H2O = 4.182 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length      : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder             : Hodgdon VARGET *T

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 0.971% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-09.7   81    46.50   2540    2150   35497   7846     94.4    1.361
-08.7   82    47.00   2565    2192   36465   7937     94.8    1.346
-07.8   83    47.50   2590    2234   37457   8027     95.2    1.331
-06.8   84    48.00   2615    2277   38475   8115     95.6    1.314
-05.8   84    48.50   2639    2320   39520   8202     95.9    1.297
-04.9   85    49.00   2664    2363   40591   8287     96.3    1.281
-03.9   86    49.50   2688    2407   41689   8370     96.6    1.265
-02.9   87    50.00   2713    2451   42816   8451     96.9    1.250
-01.9   88    50.50   2737    2495   43972   8530     97.2    1.234
-01.0   89    51.00   2761    2540   45158   8607     97.5    1.219
+00.0   90    51.50   2786    2585   46375   8683     97.8    1.205
+01.0   91    52.00   2810    2630   47623   8756     98.0    1.190
+01.9   91    52.50   2834    2676   48903   8827     98.3    1.176
+02.9   92    53.00   2858    2721   50217   8896     98.5    1.162
+03.9   93    53.50   2882    2767   51565   8962     98.7    1.148  ! Near Maximum !
+04.9   94    54.00   2906    2814   52949   9026     98.9    1.134  ! Near Maximum !

Results caused by ± 3% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 3% relative to nominal value:
+Ba     90    51.50   2826    2659   48668   8700     98.8    1.179
Data for burning rate decreased by 3% relative to nominal value:
-Ba     90    51.50   2743    2505   44097   8631     96.4    1.232



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Wow AS.

Thanks for your input. Those numbers almost mirror my results. This is a confirmation. I thought my chronograph was giving me bad data.

Kudos to you my friend.

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Wow AS.

Thanks for your input. Those numbers almost mirror my results. This is a confirmation. I thought my chronograph was giving me bad data.

Kudos to you my friend.

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Happy to help old friend.

Good luck in the field.


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Another option, maybe again for the future when stuff reappears, is to drop down more in bullet weight to 125 or 130gr. I picked up a couple of boxes of 130gr TTSXs to try in a 6 1/4lb .308 with no recoil pad. They sorta turn the .308 into a .270 of sorts when pushed hard, but should work okay ru a bit slower too.


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Originally Posted by Pappy348
Another option, maybe again for the future when stuff reappears, is to drop down more in bullet weight to 125 or 130gr. I picked up a couple of boxes of 130gr TTSXs to try in a 6 1/4lb .308 with no recoil pad. They sorta turn the .308 into a .270 of sorts when pushed hard, but should work okay ru a bit slower too.

The 125 gr. Sierra is fantastic!

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Keeping notes guys. Thanks!

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I normally load 4198 and RL 7 for what I call kid loads, because that is who I normally load them for..

I have NO use for reduced loads using H 4895, unlike most others... If you have to use 4895, pick up some IMR instead...

Surprised there was no one suggesting good old 3031....with a 150, ( I recommend Nosler Ballistic Tip because they open at low velocity)
try anything from 35 grains to say 44 grains...


as far as velocity needs, consider this....

An antelope is 14 inches from back bone to breast bone....so smaller than a deer...

Cut that in half is 7 inches....consider that your window of opportunity...

you can check this on a ballistic chart if ya want, but any spitzer bullet, regardless of weight,
if launched at 2250 fps muzzle velocity, if zeroed 3.5 inches high at 100 yds, it will be pretty much dead on at 200 yds
and 3.5 inches low at 230 to 240 yds....hence considering that 7 inch window of opportunity I mention above...

Since 90% of most game is taken at 100 yds or less, and 95% at 200 yds or less...

if one can hold steady enough to aim on hair, you should be able to hit your 7 inch window of opportunity...

most 150 grainers in 30 cal are made to operate at 30/30 speeds, and be effective...and do their job on a deer..

So that being considered, if your shoulder needs relief, 2250 fps to say 2400 fps, you have a load that will be more than up
to the task at hand....you are in the 300 Savage - 30/40 Krag operating range...

This is the logic I finally had dawn on me years ago, loading ammo for kids and women... and it has certainly brought home the venison
on most of the shooters... only times it didn't, their shot missed the deer...

also in that thought process, is added the fact that I was a military medic in the Army, from 1975 to 1982.
So I understand and know Anatomy and Physiology, which is included in that thought process...

either way, hope you heal up, and best of luck in your endeavors...

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Originally Posted by Seafire
I normally load 4198 and RL 7 for what I call kid loads, because that is who I normally load them for..



So that being considered, if your shoulder needs relief, 2250 fps to say 2400 fps, you have a load that will be more than up
to the task at hand....you are in the 300 Savage - 30/40 Krag operating range...



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seafire, I savvy everything you said - I can follow and agree with your logic.

The reason for the recoil reduction is not for "shoulder relief"....it is for brain relief. After having 3 major brain surgeries last year, I have become very recoil sensitive.

I went out Tuesday with my heavy barrel 223. I can shoot it well...and can tolerate the recoil.

BUT you put that 30-06 in my hand, and after 6 shots - my head is pounding - pressure inside my head rises - causing the top of my head to go numb.

My real issue is I am trying to prove to the Doctors and to myself that I am past this trauma in my life.. Apparently the Drs. are right - and my body confirms it.

If I get another chance to hunt this year, I'm lugging the heavy 223. It shoots sub MOA out to 100 yards with 55gr. Barnes TX bullets. And as you pointed out, 90% of my shots over the last 45 years have been in the 100 yards or less zone.

If God allows, I am going to hunt again. If I go out - I wish to go out living.

Thanks for the input.

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Originally Posted by GeorgiaBoy
Originally Posted by Seafire
I normally load 4198 and RL 7 for what I call kid loads, because that is who I normally load them for..



So that being considered, if your shoulder needs relief, 2250 fps to say 2400 fps, you have a load that will be more than up
to the task at hand....you are in the 300 Savage - 30/40 Krag operating range...



cheers,
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seafire, I savvy everything you said - I can follow and agree with your logic.

The reason for the recoil reduction is not for "shoulder relief"....it is for brain relief. After having 3 major brain surgeries last year, I have become very recoil sensitive.

I went out Tuesday with my heavy barrel 223. I can shoot it well...and can tolerate the recoil.

BUT you put that 30-06 in my hand, and after 6 shots - my head is pounding - pressure inside my head rises - causing the top of my head to go numb.

My real issue is I am trying to prove to the Doctors and to myself that I am past this trauma in my life.. Apparently the Drs. are right - and my body confirms it.

If I get another chance to hunt this year, I'm lugging the heavy 223. It shoots sub MOA out to 100 yards with 55gr. Barnes TX bullets. And as you pointed out, 90% of my shots over the last 45 years have been in the 100 yards or less zone.

If God allows, I am going to hunt again. If I go out - I wish to go out living.

Thanks for the input.

GB



If or until things change, your 223 will do the job admirably. No deer requires a 30 caliber bullet, and the 22 cals will kill (quickly) far bigger critters than many guys are willing to admit, just with chest shots.


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Where the 223 isn't legal I'd say a 6mm of some type would do nicely.

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Ditto on the 130TTSX.

Full house 243 with the 85TTSX is an easy shooting combo...

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When people talk about recoil reduction loads, they want to reduce velocity, but they never seem to list the ranges that they are usually shooting those loads at....

in an 06, if its deer they are after, a 150 grain is plenty good enough, to take any deer whoever walked...

while most game (90%) is taken under 100 yds.....95% of all game is taken under 200 yds....

a deer is 16 inches from back bone to breast bone regardless of the weight of the animal...

if you look at a velocity chart, any spitzer bullet regardless of caliber,

if it leaves the muzzle at 2250 fps... if zeroed at 3.5 inches at 100 yds, it will be dead on at 200 yds, and 3.5 inches low at 230 to 240 yds...

in an 06, if you use a 150 grain bullet with an MV of 2400 fps, which equates to a 300 Savage equivalent.... you are good to 230 to 240 yds
without any compensation on your scope elevation ( if zeroed 3.5 in high at 100 yds)...

This formula give a window of opportunity of 7 inches... 3.5 inch high at 100 to 3.5 inches low at 240 yds..
on an animal that is 16 inches window of opportunity from back bone to breast bone..

30 grs of 4198 or RL 7 will give you 2400 fps MV with a 150 grain bullet....and give better accuracy than a lot of other reduced loads..

a cast bullet manual is your friend... I use a Lyman Manual... I have two, the other is the lastest edition for newer powders..
the older ones are from the 1980s.... who use a lot of data even older than that...

2400 fps out of an 06 is more of a slight push vs a punch style of recoil....


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The conversation about reduced loads should always include bullet performance, too. I think that the 150 Interlock is a great choice and like has been stated, even dropping to a 125-30-grain bullet would work well. These low velocities, in my mind, exclude the monos, which can be problematic at times, when the velocity is low.


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H-4895 and a 125 Accubond or Ballistic Tip at 3000 to 3100 fps. Sample of one, last year a 125 AB on a 185 lb buck went through the meaty part of both shoulders and stopped under the skin on the offside. Perfect mushroom and the buck stumbled about 20 feet.


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A 130 TTSX might be the ticket at the starting load. I’ve killed some pigs with them in a 300 Savage. They hammered the pigs in their tracks.

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I’ve found 4064 is far less recoil in 270 and 30-06 and accuracy is good

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