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Think I saw Craig's mom's bush in the second story window of that blue house.

Sorry. When people have these straining to take a [bleep] Edison moments for using a drone, it makes me think of The Magic Bush episode on South Park.

Good luck explaining your drone usage to a Judge. The hunt ain't over until the signed tag is on the game.

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I can see that it may be faster than finding/deploying a helo for (human) search, rescue, and recovery work. In some fortunate cases, anyway. where the logistics worked out.



That does seem like an excellent application, no doubt. SAR teams probably are already using them, and I doubt they'd have a need to hire out for the service.



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Granted, I don't poach, nor have I ever wanted to hunt cattle (other than when the nearby cattle crap all over my porch), but this is a fascinating business idea.

So let's say I am hunting and think I've shot an elk, but for the life of me I can't locate the animal. That would be a first, as I usually kill on the first shot, but I know that some day I'll miss. I've never hunted in an area that has very good (or any) cell reception, or data coverage, so I would have to stop looking for the animal and head back to civilization where I can look up a service that locates game (leaving aside for the moment the very real fact that if the animal is still alive, you're still hunting it and can't use a dang drone...at the point you locate a live animal using a drone, you probably have to leave the animal where it is and hope that when you return the next day or more, depending on the state, the animal is still there, which is sorta unlikely if it is still alive).

A few hours later, I finally get to civilization, find the ad for this service and then I fill out some retarded questionnaire. Maybe a few hours later, if the business owner isn't out poaching something, I get a response with a quote for the service. I'm assuming that the business owner isn't in the next town over, so the odds are that it's tomorrow before he can get to where I think the animal went down (again, if the animal isn't down, I can't ask someone to use a drone to locate it without becoming a poacher myself).

Further assuming that the local bears, mt lions, wolves, coyotes and other scavengers haven't used nature's drone to locate the animal on their own and tear it up, Airwolf is deployed. The likelihood is that the elk is under cover of trees and the heat signature is rapidly fading.

Even so, we launch and begin the search. Then reality sinks in...the usable range of the drone is a few hundred yards. https://www.tomstechtime.com/post/how-good-is-the-autel-evo-2-drone-really#:~:text=Even%20though%20the%20Evo%202,record%20in%20the%20consumer%20field.

Yeah, I know the manufacturer claims that it will go miles, but the reality is that you can't reliably receive data from the drone beyond a few football fields in distance. As the reviewer notes, "They give a maximum range of about 9km in the US and 5km in Europe. That's big numbers and would be a new record in the consumer field. In reality, though, the connection, especially the video transmission, breaks down way earlier - and with way earlier I mean already roughly after a few hundred meters, in good times after a kilometer."

The only time I can see this thing being feasible is in extremely rough terrain, where people have a hard time getting through. Of course, having seen the business owner, I immediately realize that if the elk is dead in a steep canyon, I'll be on my own for the recovery. Since I neither poach nor waste downed game, I would of course make the effort to retrieve the likely inedible meat, but at least I was able to spend a ton of money to get a drone in....

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Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by Talus_in_Arizona
I can see that it may be faster than finding/deploying a helo for (human) search, rescue, and recovery work. In some fortunate cases, anyway. where the logistics worked out.



That does seem like an excellent application, no doubt. SAR teams probably are already using them, and I doubt they'd have a need to hire out for the service.


Almost all law enforcement , game departments have drones and many have Thermal devices in addition to aviation and they train often using this equipment.And they'll work in inclement weather conditions unlike the OP.

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$12K added to the truck fund would have bought a way nicer ride !

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Amusing. But still not as amusing/comical as this:

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I was hunting at 8,000 feet in South East Idaho



I wouldn't bother watching one of this violating, high-fencing d-bag's videos. He's no doubt monetizing so when you click, it's $$$.


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That was a typo, he consumed 8,000 calories at breakfast that day.

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Judas Priest, I’ve seen some [bleep], bullshiited alotta bullshiiters, met more lying dummies, know it all’s, but this fuucker is amazing... 😂😂😂


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This is awesome.....yet again from dull_things.

I believe some states differentiate their definitions of "take" and "recovery", which is why some states allow dogs to track wounded game but not to run unwounded game. That's all beside the point though.

I used to think Jowl boy was serious about his "adventures", but this idea is just too dumb. I am having my doubts about the seriousness of this.
If he is serious, then I am impressed by the lack of intelligence, judgment, and foresight. It is impressive, Ron.

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I knew when I created this thread it would be very entertaining for me. The level of dumb here is epic on so many levels so thank you for doing exactly as I commanded you to do in the first post. Again as I predicted, this thread (like my other threads) has grown like wild fire. You are too easy to control. Again, thank you for serving as my jesters for entertainment. bwahahahahahahahaha.

In my time here, its been evident that there are not many serious hunters commenting here and almost no bowhunters (the lack of kills was a dead give away) But the level of dumb as it relates to this subject matter is just plain hilarious. Again, thank you for the level of ignorance you so eagerly demonstrate.

As to the legality of this enterprise. The answer is yes it is. Ive shared a few emails with a Lieutenant with the WI DNR in charge of all things drone. During those exchanges I offered my Flir Boson drone as an asset to them where it's thermal use would be of assistance. He also wished me well in this enterprise and sees the value in increasing the recovery rate for big game. Like WI, I expect other states will also see the obvious separation between hunting and game recovery (they dont share your level of dumb). While the bulk of the usage for this new enterprise will take place in WI, as you know, Im a traveling bowhunter and this unit will go with my if for no other reason than to generate a video catalog that will demonstrate the functionality and capabilities of this technology that heretofore is used almost exclusively by search and rescue and police and fire due to the steep price tag.

I fully understand the poor financial situation many here are in and the lack of any serious hunting you do so of coarse this thread will feel foreign to you for many reasons. Once again its obviously jealousy that motivates you with a side order of ignorance. Either way, you make me smile and laugh at the ease in which I can make you reply as if I wrote the replies for you to post. Again, thank you and you are predictable. This past year has been one of our most profitable. As such I need to spend it or send it to the the tax man so Im kicking off a couple new hunting ventures to spend rather than send. Regardless, I fully expect to take it in the shorts come tax time. That is why Im benefiting the WI bowhunters Assoc, Wisconsin Traditional Archers and the Wisconsin Bowhunting Heritage foundation museum with large lump sums so I can send it to them rather than the tax man. (but thats a story is for another day)

Since nearly every single post you have made was so ripe with ignorance and your own manufactured falsehoods, I wont take the time to address each of them individually, Who has that kind of time? But I will try to elevate the IQ of the group with some videos showing the capabilities of the Flir Boson equipped drone Im using. Unlike you I have many irons in the fire as I start other business ventures that focus on hunting so I cant sit on the interweb all day posting really ignorant stuff as you seem to have time to do.

One new venture Im kicking off in fiscal 2020 to spend some capital before years end is a new broadhead but that is for another time as I wait prototypes. Im also swamped with more and more euro mounts brought to me by successful hunters. (that term may sound odd as it hits your ears) but unlike you there are many successful hunters and they seem to like my Euro mounts because of the quality and rapid turn around time. Here is a recent completion I did for a guy that picked up some dead heads and brought them to me to memorialize. While many here have never (and likely will never) see such a thing in person I thought I would share today's work.



But I digress. Back to Thermal capable drones and your edification. Here is a recent flight I did at a couple hundred feet to get more experience with flying this drone and testing its thermal abilities. You will see animals and people and this will kick off your education on the subject. (you may wish to take notes as this will be on the final exam) FYI, the color pallet I chose to display in, is white equals warm/hot, cold equals black, in between equals grey (see you are learning already.) I will have several months to perfect both flying and testing the thermal capabilities of this drone. This video was created while flying over the Kulas compound in SE WI.



Now you may be starting to understand (some of you still wont but stand by, Im all about lifting the scales from your eyes and trying to erase your epic ignorance while you are kicking and screaming, demanding to remain dumb.)

There is currently one person in WI offering this game recovery service (also working with our states DNR to the point he has invited and been accompanied by wardens during carcass recovery) GASP!!! I thought this was illegal???? hahahahaha. Again, you are learning. (You are welcome)

Here are a few of his recovery videos to help those that are capable of education. The rest of you can lick the screen and drool. Many here wont understand (since you are not really hunters) that on occasion its possible to lose a blood trail to recover an animal and then seeking assistance with said recovery because its clear, most here never kill anything.

Here he uses a cell phone to direct the distraught hunter to his lost animal. The very thankful hunter is very pleased with the results.



In his next video carcass recovery, he encounters bunnies while searching. Then he finds the deer while 200 feet up and from a distance of 250 yards away. And he does it very quickly putting any and every tracking dog to shame. Another very happy and thankful hunter and more coyotes going hungry.



and another



and another.

[video:youtube] https://youtu.be/3ylCgk_Ix_4[/video]

Now, lets talk timing. (since there is a great deal of ignorance here on just how long big game animals retain enough heat to differentiate them from their surroundings. You will want to know that flir boson thermal camera is not necessarily looking for a hot or warm item, its simply looking for contrast of temp variance between items. His longest time to recovery after the animal was hit as been 12 hours and based on the heat signature could have still been found long after that but here is the thing. He has done many carcass locations. His fastest time from launch to location was 2 minutes and his longest has been 12 minutes to find the animal (again, putting any and every tracking dog to shame). On a related note, there are several dog tracking facebook groups. He tried to share his video and experiences within those groups and because his results are so much faster and efficient, they all refuse to post his content. When he asks why, those admins tell him that it would put them out of business. (take notes)

The larger the game animal, the longer the heat signature. MANY MANY hours later, big critters can still be detected. Some here might be able to decode this picture (hint) I can imagine a very happy and grateful hunter. Perhaps show this to a hunter and he can explain it to you.

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Over the last few days Ive flown many more times. Today I took it up to 400 feet until I spotted a bald eagle circling my location so I brought the drown down as eagles have no fear or respect for drones and will attack them. I didn't need to challenge my insurance policy this early in the venture so I gave the eagle the right of way. Each time I fly Im more and more impressed with this tool and look forward to recovering big game (even if it can be found by simple blood trailing) because Im looking to build a video and data library of recovery info as is the only other user in WI. When last we spoke he told me he is a casual hunter but not a bowhunter (like most of you here) but if he were to take up bowhuting, he knows which broadhead not to use. Of course I asked which broadhead. His reply was Rage 2 blade as they represented nearly all the recoveries he had been on.

OK, that is enough for now. This was already more info than most here can ever digest in one reading. Despite my now having elevated the intellect of the group. I fully expect the level of dumb to be epic (in fact im counting on it as I find it entertaining.) You know who you are. I can pre-write your replies for you. (you have been patterned). Smokepole will be the first person I will make reply as he is really dumb and easy to manipulate. thank you again for making another of my threads the most read and most commented upon in this forum area. Management and I appreciate all your page hits/views/comments. Now, you continue to showcase your ignorance and entertaining me and when I find the time I will come back and educate you further. We make a good team. I know stuff and you are dumb.

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Do you actually expect people to read all that horsesh*t?

Yeah, you're a "pile it" alright, pile it deeper, shart.



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Shart things is a lot like the pile of cr*p he's named after...he thinks that just because people notice the smell of excrement and react to it, they are somehow approving of it.


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A real puppeteer....Lmao. Funny how you claim this to be a [bleep] bowhunting site yet you type all that garbage. Hey look at me....look at me! Too bad Rick doesnt ban you for pimping your business for FREE.





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That fat bastard couldn’t make it to where I hunt and his drones battery would be dead long before it got there. What a fugking idiot this dumbass is.

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Originally Posted by sharp_things
I knew when I created this thread it would be very entertaining for me. The level of dumb here is epic on so many levels so thank you for doing exactly as I commanded you to do in the first post. Again as I predicted, this thread (like my other threads) has grown like wild fire. You are too easy to control. Again, thank you for serving as my jesters for entertainment. bwahahahahahahahaha.

In my time here, its been evident that there are not many serious hunters commenting here and almost no bowhunters (the lack of kills was a dead give away) But the level of dumb as it relates to this subject matter is just plain hilarious. Again, thank you for the level of ignorance you so eagerly demonstrate.



You can not seriously be this dense, right?

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Ought to be easy to find "all things drone, WI lt..."


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Probably get flamed, but looks pretty handy actually. Especially so in places where every twig impedes passage and jumps out to bite and scratch.

Our outfit (USN aviation) employed the exact same technology back in 1968-70 in Nam with low level high speed night flights picking up on enemy troop/convoy/equipment movements and/or assisting with an occasional down pilot recovery. No one complained of our unfair advantage then. Our planes did not carry arms, but simply kicked out flares with escorting fighter/bombers descending from above to hose the area. It was new and very hush hush at the time, but the imagery was such that a 4th grader could have made the calls.

Sensitivity was such that we could overfly an air field and precisely locate and identify shadows left on the ground by planes or equipment that had left 4 or 5 hours earlier. Warm operating equipment stood out like strobe lights.

I would strongly suggest one thoroughly quiz any state involved on their policies regarding the use of aircraft though and get the responses in writing. Equipment and park/refuge/wilderness areas come to mind. Locally, we can overfly such, but cannot launch or recover from therein.

Coming up with economically feasible fees, might be a challenge given ones limited ability to service a large area/region during short seasons. A common policy among many guides and outfitters is: if one draws blood, the client's season is over even if his target is not recovered. That was a clearly stated policy for me in 2019 when I dropped a wad for my first ever guided elk hunt. Fortunately, that elk only made about 10 yds with a blown heart (Link to last year ). A miss was tolerated with efforts continuing, but blood was not. Another grand might not seem bad for someone that dropped $20K for a reservation outing. I think there are probably quite a few lost puppy people that would spring for a similar effort and search and rescue are readily jumping on the technology.

Also, one would still need to recover expenses even when his efforts are for naught. If the powers that be are fine with the legal aspects, I wish you well.

Precisely the same arguments arise with near every new step in technology. Old timers when I was a kid in the 60's despised and put down the lowliest of scopes. Today range compensating optics, compound/cross bows, rangefinders, training collars, and even white powder inline muzzleloaders take beatings. Resistance to change is fairly common and will likely persist forever.

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I suspect the ethically challenged will use "recovery" as a pretext for scouting.

In my opinion, drones have no place in the hunting fields.

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