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using Varget in 223 with a 69 gr SMK, varget meters like dog chit. Whats the best ball power to replace the Varget?
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You may also want to try CFE 223. It's showing a little better velocity than Varget.
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What about AR comp? Heard about it but never tried it
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Meters just as bad as varget. Need ball powde
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What about AR comp? Heard about it but never tried it AR Comp is a good Varget substitute but it's stick too, it's not going to meter well either. If I remember right the grains are a bit shorter than Varget so that might help. I'll second the CFE223 recommendation. More temperature sensitive, but gives good velocities and meters well.
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H335 was the WC852(? not sure of that number) govt contract powder for Ball M193 and enough of it was used by the benchresters to establish it's bona fides accuracy wise. If you burn a bunch of it you will see some variation of lots and will need to tweak the load a little if your rifle is picky.
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Meters just as bad as varget. Need ball powde If you really want ball powder it is hard for me to recommend CFE223, I have never got top accuracy out of it in anything.......... To me H335 and H380 are the Dog Schit of the powder universe, that leaves W748 as the powder you are after......
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TAC?
Otherwise pretty hard to beat Varget with those 69 grain bullets.
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Meters just as bad as varget. Need ball powde If you really want ball powder it is hard for me to recommend CFE223, I have never got top accuracy out of it in anything.......... To me H335 and H380 are the Dog Schit of the powder universe, that leaves W748 as the powder you are after...... Contrarily, I've not had issues with H 380, have had with H 335... But I'll agree with BoatAnchor via W 748.....BLC2, W 748 and CFE223, are so close, they seem interchangeable in my needs... If I had to pick one, it would be W 748 First, BLC2 second, and CFE223 third.... I use a lot of AR Comp, and RL 15.... I gave up on Varget long ago... as the above mentioned powders worked just as well, and they had one more key feature...AVAILABILITY..
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Loaded up some TAC, CFE223 and some WW748 only cuz it was handy.
All with 69 gr SMK. We shall see what happens.
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What about AR comp? Heard about it but never tried it AR Comp is a good Varget substitute but it's stick too, it's not going to meter well either. If I remember right the grains are a bit shorter than Varget so that might help. I'll second the CFE223 recommendation. More temperature sensitive, but gives good velocities and meters well. AR Comp is re-formulated RL15 designed to meter better through a powder measure. It drops though my RCBS uniflow very well. Passport may need to look into a different powder measure, if it is metering that poorly. Mine will also drop RL15 very well, but AR Comp works better. I gave up on Varget for a couple reasons. Got better accuracy with AR Comp and RL15, and it didn't meter well through my powder measure. Both good reasons to switch.. I've also tried CFE223, but don't get the accuracy from it as I do with AR Comp.
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I've used both TAC and CFE223, can't imagine anything flowing better than them.
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If TAC and CFE223 are the options I'd go with TAC without a second thought. I wasted some time and money trying CFE223. I've never heard or read of anyone finding top accuracy with it.
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What about AR comp? Heard about it but never tried it AR Comp is a good Varget substitute but it's stick too, it's not going to meter well either. If I remember right the grains are a bit shorter than Varget so that might help. I'll second the CFE223 recommendation. More temperature sensitive, but gives good velocities and meters well. AR Comp is re-formulated RL15 designed to meter better through a powder measure. It drops though my RCBS uniflow very well. Passport may need to look into a different powder measure, if it is metering that poorly. Mine will also drop RL15 very well, but AR Comp works better. I gave up on Varget for a couple reasons. Got better accuracy with AR Comp and RL15, and it didn't meter well through my powder measure. Both good reasons to switch.. I've also tried CFE223, but don't get the accuracy from it as I do with AR Comp. Hodgdon introduced Varget in 1995, I bought a couple pounds at the LGS. I tried it and LOVED it.......went back and bought all they had. apparently I bought enough to last me 21 years, when I ran out 4 years ago and bought a few pounds of the new Varget I found out quickly the new Varget and the original Varget are not the same at all. I don't know when the Australian manufacturer changed the original formula to the EXTREME formula but it was not a positive move for Varget !!!!!!!!!! I have been searching for an alternative myself using mostly RL15, unlike the OP I try and stay away from the temp issues of most ball powder. Never tried or even thought about AR Comp, picked up a couple pounds today and cant wait to try it (when the temp gets close to freezing or above)
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