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Originally Posted by WYcoyote
3-15x illuminated and I'll be considering one.


Me too, but I think that would require a whole new design with 5x ratio. The LRHS and LRTS were/are 4x.

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WY, is there a price point difference between that and the 4.5 x 18?


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So it sounds like:

Donut of death is back, G3H
Non-illuminated for now
ED Prime, whatever that means
Under $1k (?)

Comments from George and Pat, regarding excellent image quality, are interesting as the LRHS/LRTS scopes seemed pretty dang good for the money.

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I’d do a G3H I believe. That’s likely going to be a good optic. The 3-12 and 4-18 excellent.


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Originally Posted by scenarshooter
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Here we go again a tactical shooting competitor trying to design a long range hunting optic. Fancy whiz bang reticle and all. Tactical shooting and hunting need different scope and reticle designs. I guess I am happy it appears bushnell is bringing back some Japanese scope which is a great thing


George has hunted more than you will in your entire lifetime......


thats nice to know, you have never met me, never spoken to me and have no idea who I am. you must be god? do you make a habit of making bold pronouncements about people you have no idea of? do you not agree that a tactical scope and a hunting scope has 2 distinct purposes and intended uses? YES OR NO? If I am in a tactical competition I would want most of the features or maybe all that come in the bushnell tactical scopes. I think the LRHS scopes in both powers would make excellent tactical scopes for competition. can they be used for hunting, YES but a 3x9 with a duplex can be used in a tactical comp too. pick the right tool for the job. BTW pat, develop a reticle that people can actually see in low light on low power then get back to me on how "expert" you are. 3-12 model not so awesome

predictably the clapping seals pile on, the ones who have never had an original thought in their entire lives. you guys realize I don't give 2 [bleep] what you think of me, you do realize I could care less what you say. why would I comment if I cared. I knew what jordan and all the clappers would say. have I not proven enough to you I have a thick enough skin to not give a crap.

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yeah, just WITF WOULD you comment ?

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Originally Posted by cumminscowboy
.....have I not proven enough to you I have a thick enough skin.......



It's good that you have a thick skin. But not good that you need it so often.





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Originally Posted by cumminscowboy
Originally Posted by scenarshooter
Originally Posted by cumminscowboy
Here we go again a tactical shooting competitor trying to design a long range hunting optic. Fancy whiz bang reticle and all. Tactical shooting and hunting need different scope and reticle designs. I guess I am happy it appears bushnell is bringing back some Japanese scope which is a great thing


George has hunted more than you will in your entire lifetime......


thats nice to know, you have never met me, never spoken to me and have no idea who I am. you must be god? do you make a habit of making bold pronouncements about people you have no idea of? do you not agree that a tactical scope and a hunting scope has 2 distinct purposes and intended uses? YES OR NO? If I am in a tactical competition I would want most of the features or maybe all that come in the bushnell tactical scopes. I think the LRHS scopes in both powers would make excellent tactical scopes for competition. can they be used for hunting, YES but a 3x9 with a duplex can be used in a tactical comp too. pick the right tool for the job. BTW pat, develop a reticle that people can actually see in low light on low power then get back to me on how "expert" you are. 3-12 model not so awesome

predictably the clapping seals pile on, the ones who have never had an original thought in their entire lives. you guys realize I don't give 2 [bleep] what you think of me, you do realize I could care less what you say. why would I comment if I cared. I knew what jordan and all the clappers would say. have I not proven enough to you I have a thick enough skin to not give a crap.

Why don't you just shut up and go tape a scope to the swing set. Pat has more credibility than you will ever hope to achieve.

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Originally Posted by cumminscowboy
Originally Posted by scenarshooter
Originally Posted by cumminscowboy
Here we go again a tactical shooting competitor trying to design a long range hunting optic. Fancy whiz bang reticle and all. Tactical shooting and hunting need different scope and reticle designs. I guess I am happy it appears bushnell is bringing back some Japanese scope which is a great thing


George has hunted more than you will in your entire lifetime......


thats nice to know, you have never met me, never spoken to me and have no idea who I am. you must be god? do you make a habit of making bold pronouncements about people you have no idea of? do you not agree that a tactical scope and a hunting scope has 2 distinct purposes and intended uses? YES OR NO? If I am in a tactical competition I would want most of the features or maybe all that come in the bushnell tactical scopes. I think the LRHS scopes in both powers would make excellent tactical scopes for competition. can they be used for hunting, YES but a 3x9 with a duplex can be used in a tactical comp too. pick the right tool for the job. BTW pat, develop a reticle that people can actually see in low light on low power then get back to me on how "expert" you are. 3-12 model not so awesome

predictably the clapping seals pile on, the ones who have never had an original thought in their entire lives. you guys realize I don't give 2 [bleep] what you think of me, you do realize I could care less what you say. why would I comment if I cared. I knew what jordan and all the clappers would say. have I not proven enough to you I have a thick enough skin to not give a crap.


We all know who you are.....


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Originally Posted by cumminscowboy
have I not proven enough to you I have a thick enough skin to not give a crap.


And head thickness to match the skin thickness. smile


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Originally Posted by cumminscowboy
Originally Posted by scenarshooter
Originally Posted by cumminscowboy
Here we go again a tactical shooting competitor trying to design a long range hunting optic. Fancy whiz bang reticle and all. Tactical shooting and hunting need different scope and reticle designs. I guess I am happy it appears bushnell is bringing back some Japanese scope which is a great thing


George has hunted more than you will in your entire lifetime......


thats nice to know, you have never met me, never spoken to me and have no idea who I am. you must be god? do you make a habit of making bold pronouncements about people you have no idea of? do you not agree that a tactical scope and a hunting scope has 2 distinct purposes and intended uses? YES OR NO? If I am in a tactical competition I would want most of the features or maybe all that come in the bushnell tactical scopes. I think the LRHS scopes in both powers would make excellent tactical scopes for competition. can they be used for hunting, YES but a 3x9 with a duplex can be used in a tactical comp too. pick the right tool for the job. BTW pat, develop a reticle that people can actually see in low light on low power then get back to me on how "expert" you are. 3-12 model not so awesome

predictably the clapping seals pile on, the ones who have never had an original thought in their entire lives. you guys realize I don't give 2 [bleep] what you think of me, you do realize I could care less what you say. why would I comment if I cared. I knew what jordan and all the clappers would say. have I not proven enough to you I have a thick enough skin to not give a crap.



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keep attacking and having nothing to say about the substance of the argument, tactical vs hunting. no one has a substantive argument against my position the clapping seals are so predictable. I make a comment they can't argue with so what happens? they attack the person, you guys act like democrats. argue the [bleep] point if you disagree. I listen to that. attacking me says you aint got nuthin. same bunch its always been, keep it going I am laughing. a tactical scope isn't a hunting scope and a hunting scope isn't a tactical scope, boom end of story!

I am sorry I don't post all sorts of pics of my hunting exploits. for one I have thought its somewhat weird to do so. its like look my dong is so much bigger, look I am so much cooler than you. It represents a weird mentality. I don't even post things on my personal facebook. I don't need anyones approval or congrats. hunting isnt just about the largest animal either. just how I feel about it.

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Originally Posted by cumminscowboy
do you not agree that a tactical scope and a hunting scope has 2 distinct purposes and intended uses? YES OR NO?

YES, i do "not agree that a tactical scope and a hunting scope has 2 distinct purposes and intended uses?"

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Looking at the picture, it appears George might be out Pat's way.

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Excellent - Spot (me) lives by the Bushnell outlet store - which means more goodies for me.

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Originally Posted by cumminscowboy
Originally Posted by scenarshooter
Originally Posted by cumminscowboy
Here we go again a tactical shooting competitor trying to design a long range hunting optic. Fancy whiz bang reticle and all. Tactical shooting and hunting need different scope and reticle designs. I guess I am happy it appears bushnell is bringing back some Japanese scope which is a great thing


George has hunted more than you will in your entire lifetime......


thats nice to know, you have never met me, never spoken to me and have no idea who I am. you must be god? do you make a habit of making bold pronouncements about people you have no idea of? do you not agree that a tactical scope and a hunting scope has 2 distinct purposes and intended uses? YES OR NO? If I am in a tactical competition I would want most of the features or maybe all that come in the bushnell tactical scopes. I think the LRHS scopes in both powers would make excellent tactical scopes for competition. can they be used for hunting, YES but a 3x9 with a duplex can be used in a tactical comp too. pick the right tool for the job. BTW pat, develop a reticle that people can actually see in low light on low power then get back to me on how "expert" you are. 3-12 model not so awesome

predictably the clapping seals pile on, the ones who have never had an original thought in their entire lives. you guys realize I don't give 2 [bleep] what you think of me, you do realize I could care less what you say. why would I comment if I cared. I knew what jordan and all the clappers would say. have I not proven enough to you I have a thick enough skin to not give a crap.


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Originally Posted by cumminscowboy

I am sorry I don't post all sorts of pics of my hunting exploits. for one I have thought its somewhat weird to do so. its like look my dong is so much bigger, look I am so much cooler than you. It represents a weird mentality. I don't even post things on my personal facebook.


Yeah, I'd much rather see those pics of you at the park than actual hunting photos.

As far as your "substance of the argument" bullsh*t, have you ever considered that the style of reticle one chooses to hunt with is a matter of personal preference, based on how and where someone hunts?



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Probably a great scope. I had a 4-15 but it was just too much for what I wanted. If I could find a way to swing one of George’s rifles, like an Xtreme Hunter or Evo Ultralight, one of these new 4-15s would make good sense. If I could have one rifle, it’d say GA Precision on it.

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I was thinking of buying one of the LRTSI that are listed for sale. Based on this info, would most wait to see the new offering first?

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Originally Posted by scottf270
I was thinking of buying one of the LRTSI that are listed for sale. Based on this info, would most wait to see the new offering first?


Hunted a 3-12x44 LRTSi this past fall, and was so impressed that I grabbed a second one on close out.

Same dealer blew out a few 3-12x44 LRHS recently as well so I grabbed one (just took delivery this morning).

Difference in weight on my digital kitchen scale is 2.25 oz

Tonight I compared the two scopes the last 20 minutes of light on a variety of objects near and far.

Clearly a quick comparison, but initial thought is that I’ll likely sell the LRHS as I found the reticle much harder to see in low light than the LRTSi (Without the illumination on).

If the new reticle is heavier and/or illuminated it would interest me, but honestly the LRTSi leaves little to ask for (6 ounces lighter would be nice).

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