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LOL.... there’s lots of combos I’ve seen out-pattern even Bo Whoop’s specs, which had full custom barrels......not that they and other older, overbored/tapered bore/etc stuff doesn’t work great to this day, but there’s so many new variables in shotshell patterns since the 1920s. 90-100% 40 yard patterns with even non tox, don’t seem rare these days at all.

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Originally Posted by mrfudd
Try Boss shot shells. They are just over $1 a round and perfectly safe for your gun. I’m shooting 2 3/4” #5s in an old Ithaca 37


https://bossshotshells.com

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BS Thanks I will look into this..


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The Fox -Parker-or DG sites. I avoid auction sites on Fox guns. Even smaller dealerships are better.
I am getting a Fox XE re-furbished up in Michigan. They are good folks. Jay Schachter at Vintage Guns-Give em a call.


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The 3" model 12 has a thicker barrel and Browning Invector Plus can be installed in them. Of course then back boring is required.

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Poly choke can work too. I Never cared for the look of those, but dont mind them any longer. Those that used them a lot swear by them.

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I would try some of these https://bossshotshells.com/ pattern excellent and can shoot 2-3/4, or 3" with similar loads to 3-1/2 shells. Plenty of penetration to fold ducks and geese.


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I've been around a lot of model 12s and never experienced (or seen) the chamber issues mentioned. Maybe someone was trying to polish a rusty chamber on a duck gun?

Last night I bought a case of Kent Bismuth for $1.25 per round, though it went up a couple of bucks per box after my purchase. This morning I called my dad and cut a deal for a clean 2 3/4" transition era Model 12 with a 30" Full choke as a duck gun.

M12s had really good chokes and in my experience pattern really well so I'm not touching the choke. I plan to use the gun, so pragmatically I'm going to see if my dad will put a pad on it. Additionally, he has a wood finish he's developed over the years that is really weather resistant so I may have him do that also in that the original finish isn't going to stand up to much duck hunting. With that said, he's super detailed and has 50 years or so of stock building experience so the gun will not be "bubba'd" but be a more usable version of the original while maintaining its original form and function, which to me is OK on these old guns.

Regarding the cost of bismuth, at under $1.50 per round, it's a no-brainer to me. It should require fewer shots per bird; it's easier on teeth; and it should result in less wounded birds. For me, that more than offsets the additional cost. Take my comments regarding bismuth with a grain of salt because I've never used it and have not shot a lot of waterfowl, but that is my logic regarding using a M12, which I've used a lot on upland birds.


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Well if you have a problem with your model 12 chamber it will sure show up with Kent Bismuth loads. They have very soft shell heads. Good luck . Mb


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I'm sure it will be fine. I've been around dozens of Model 12s and shot thousands of Remington Express and Winchester High Brass loads with no issues.

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