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A per gun tax will not survive a Supreme Court challenge. This type of tax is easily distinguishable from the Obamacare tax. In the Obamacare opinion the court relied on the fact that the tax was income based and also small in comparison to the cost of insurance or healthcare and therefore not a penalty. Healthcare also isn’t a constitutional right. The conservative justices have more than enough room to distinguish the two.

Old Coot,

Put yer crack pipe down. I told you that stuff was bad. Now get your face shield and pink Taurus 380 , then hide under the wardrobe. LOL

How about a handgun?
How an cross into New Jersey?

Anyone remember the little card you filled out at the PO on your 18th birthday?

Don't know, never been stopped with a handgun in plain sight. I'm sure they'd want to see your permit. Don't know anything about NJ. I have no reason to go so stay out of that shyt hole.

Yes. Your permit.

Whether it was income based or not doesn’t hold much water when one considers that most all irs taxes are income based, small or large.

A tax is a tax and congress has the power to tax. The president has the power to institute specific tax modifications via the Treasury.

Whether our scotus remains “conservative biased “ even in the relative short term remains very clouded if the democrats win AND we lose the senate.

Whether it was income based or not doesn’t hold much water when one considers that most all irs taxes are income based, small or large.

A tax is a tax and congress has the power to tax. The president has the power to institute specific tax modifications via the Treasury.

Whether our scotus remains “conservative biased “ even in the relative short term remains very clouded if the democrats win AND we lose the senate.

Toot has to get a permit from his boyfriend to do something masculine. LOL

From the Robert’s Opinion:

We have nonetheless maintained that “ ‘there comes a time in the extension of the penalizing features of the so-called tax when it loses its character as such and becomes a mere penalty with the characteristics of regulation and punishment.’

Congress’s ability to use its taxing power to influence conduct is not without limits. A few of our cases policed these limits aggressively, invalidating punitive exactions obviously designed to regulate behavior otherwise regarded at the time as beyond federal authority.

The argument will be that prohibiting ownership of firearms is beyond federal authority (2nd Amendment), so taxing ownership to an extent that it prohibits ownership is also unconstitutional. This is a whole different argument than a cigarette or gas tax.

I’m hopeful that you are right but hope isn’t much of a plan if the composition of the scotus is altered.

Another concern is both Thomas and Breyer retiring and the Biden political family installing 2 more liberals to the Court and how their interpretations would be handed down.

Or if such a tax was imposed and the scotus refused to hear the arguments like they did with the New York gun laws.

I’m really hoping that the Court’s recent actions are self preservation and that when the election is over the justices will act like they have throughout their careers on the lower courts.

“I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few politicians.” – George Mason, co-author of the 2nd Amendment.

“A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves.” – Richard Henry Lee.

“And that the said Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the Press, or the rights of Conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms.” – Samuel Adams.

“Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people’s liberty teeth and keystone under independence.” – George Washington

“Are we at last brought to such humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our defense? Where is the difference between having our arms in possession and under our direction and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?” – Patrick Henry.

“The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed.” – Alexander Hamilton.

“I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery.” – Thomas Jefferson.

“To disarm the people is the most effectual way to enslave them.” – George Mason.

“Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe.” – Noah Webster.

“Americans have the right and advantage of being armed, unlike the people of other countries, whose leaders are afraid to trust them with arms.” – James Madison.

“Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.” – Benjamin Franklin.

“A free people ought to be armed.” – George Washington.

“No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.” – Thomas Jefferson.

“The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere restrains evil interference – they deserve a place of honor with all that’s good.” – George Washington.



"The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
- Thomas Jefferson (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria)

"The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed."
- Thomas Jefferson

"To disarm the people is the most effectual way to enslave them."
- George Mason

"Americans have the right and advantage of being armed, unlike the people of other countries, whose leaders are afraid to trust them with arms."
- James Madison

Where ya been Flave?

I tested positive 3 times, btw.

The real issue comes from the 18th century meaning of well regulated. it meant skilled, not tightly controlled, but just try to educate the liberal twits of that.