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NO. The 180gr BT out of a 300 mag is my all time favorite elk and everything else bullet. Pure poison out of a magnum.
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In a magnum, yes.
In a sane cartridge, no. “Magnum” is just a word. Are you trying to say, instead of what you actually said, that, above a certain velocity, a certain type of bullet is needed? A .243 Win will fire an 80gr bullet at 3,350 fps or more. A .300 Win MAGNUM will fire a 200gr bullet at about 2,750 fps. Are you saying that the 200gr .308 bullet going at 2,750 fps must be “premium,” but the .243 bullet moving at 3,350 fps need not be because it’s coming out of a “sane,” non-MAGNUM, cartridge? If so, it's likely not very sound thinking.
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My 6 ai shoots 80’s at 3650, super magnum!!! Haha
Ping pong balls for the win.
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Laffin’, took about 20 minutes longer than I thought. In a magnum, yes.
In a sane cartridge, no. “Magnum” is just a word. Are you trying to say, instead of what you actually said, that, above a certain velocity, a certain type of bullet is needed? A .243 Win will fire an 80gr bullet at 3,350 fps or more. A .300 Win MAGNUM will fire a 200gr bullet at about 2,750 fps. Are you saying that the 200gr .308 bullet going at 2,750 fps must be “premium,” but the .243 bullet moving at 3,350 fps need not be because it’s coming out of a “sane,” non-MAGNUM, cartridge? If so, it's likely not very sound thinking.
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Looks like the winter doldrums have hit early this year...
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And I've already started drinking while my fiance is working out. Got the dry-aged prime rib on the grill at 170 F. Nothing could bring me down--even the disparagement of my fancy magnums.
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Sounds like a good night pard. 👍
PS, if you actually (hunt), nothing here should get you down, it is worth a few laughs though!! 😂😂
Ping pong balls for the win.
Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable
I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
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![[Linked Image from ]]( https://i2.wp.com/images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110520040521/mayberry/images/b/bd/BarnStirringMoulage.gif) My 6 ai shoots 80’s at 3650, super magnum!!! Haha
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My 6 ai shoots 80’s at 3650, super magnum!!! Haha ![[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]](https://i.postimg.cc/xqMr8L7s/CD863108-8503-4-B81-9-EDE-75-FEE5-D152-A7.gif)
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Ping pong balls for the win.
Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable
I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
Ain’t easy havin pals.
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So - hypothetical - I want to shoot a nice monster bull elk with my 7-08
250 yards and less
What bullet would you say "no" to (non-premium) and "yes" to (premium) in like weights?
Is it really possible to get a "bad" bullet these days?
Yes! memtb I don't mean a singularly bad bullet - I mean one that's poor by design. Pulling the next bullet out of the box isn't likely to change the outcome so to speak. Teal, many people kill elk with thin jacket, fast expanding, high weight loss bullets every day of elk season.....they perform fine with “surgically” placed shots, and often with less than perfect placement. They often, due to the aforementioned definitions, fail to penetrate deeply, or may come apart on heavy bone failing to quickly dispatch the animal. In my opinion, unless the hunter is composed enough to pass on many less than ideal shots, the hunter is better served with a bullet of heavier jacket construction, preferably a bonded bullet or better yet a mono bullet. If the hunter has limited time, or a great deal of money invested in an out of state hunt.....get a premium bullet that shoots good in your rifle! It’s simply good insurance! memtb
You should not use a rifle that will kill an animal when everything goes right; you should use one that will do the job when everything goes wrong." -Bob Hagel
“I’d like to be a good rifleman…..but, I prefer to be a good hunter”! memtb 2024
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Ping pong balls for the win.
Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable
I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
Ain’t easy havin pals.
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Couple in the shoulder, 180 interloks, 300 (BEE) for fotis 😂, 35-40 yards. 3300 FPS, ![[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]](https://i.postimg.cc/9fXPc0Df/E466-D552-E6-D6-4-CE4-B072-A8-AB5-FA7-D241.jpg) ![[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]](https://i.postimg.cc/d1yhFcj1/910-D3-DE7-A3-D5-4-DD8-AD21-1-FF7-CC0-DB2-F0.jpg)
Ping pong balls for the win.
Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable
I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
Ain’t easy havin pals.
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It all depends on where you aim. I wouldn't want to hit shoulder with a Berger in a 243 but would have no hesitation to poke one in the heart or lungs.
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No. Consistently took bucks and bulls with Sierra Match Kings from a 7 Mag until folks told me I shouldn't do that. Game never complained though. A coworker knocks a bull down almost every year with a round ball from his .54 muzzle loader. So, location, location, location.
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The difference in the cost of most bullets today is not all that great in my mind. Swifts can cost $1 each, standard cup/core about $0.35 each. In theory, the Swift is 3x as much - but given a reasonably accurate rifle/scope combo, a decent load can be found with 100 bullets. So the total cost ranges from ~ $45 for cup/core (including primer/powder) to $115 for Swift. In my mind, that isn't a deciding factor. I spend $600 to $1300 (my favorite - WY "Special" NR elk tag) on my elk tag every year. I'm in my $300 boots, using my NF scoped Kimber Montana, hauling my $900 Kifaru pack. And that doesn't count the other "necessities" in the pack.
The deciding factor for me is the purpose of the bullet in relation to the animal, ranges I'm hunting, and bullet launcher. For elk, I've used everything from a Sierra Game King to the Nosler Partition. When I'm shooting a bullet launcher that launches them 3000 ft/sec and expect elk to show up at 50 yards, I'll default to a bullet that stays together. When I'm dragging my 308, some standard cup/core work just as well.
Short answer: No they aren't required.
Caveat: bullets are the cheapest part of the equation, why pick a bullet based on price? I'll pick them based on intended purpose.
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Nice bull. If you’d been shooting a .308 Win. it would have only taken one.....  Couple in the shoulder, 180 interloks, 300 (BEE) for fotis 😂, 35-40 yards. 3300 FPS,
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The difference in the cost of most bullets today is not all that great in my mind. Swifts can cost $1 each, standard cup/core about $0.35 each. In theory, the Swift is 3x as much - but given a reasonably accurate rifle/scope combo, a decent load can be found with 100 bullets. So the total cost ranges from ~ $45 for cup/core (including primer/powder) to $115 for Swift. In my mind, that isn't a deciding factor. I spend $600 to $1300 (my favorite - WY "Special" NR elk tag) on my elk tag every year. I'm in my $300 boots, using my NF scoped Kimber Montana, hauling my $900 Kifaru pack. And that doesn't count the other "necessities" in the pack.
The deciding factor for me is the purpose of the bullet in relation to the animal, ranges I'm hunting, and bullet launcher. For elk, I've used everything from a Sierra Game King to the Nosler Partition. When I'm shooting a bullet launcher that launches them 3000 ft/sec and expect elk to show up at 50 yards, I'll default to a bullet that stays together. When I'm dragging my 308, some standard cup/core work just as well.
Short answer: No they aren't required.
Caveat: bullets are the cheapest part of the equation, why pick a bullet based on price? I'll pick them based on intended purpose. Copy that, I got $1000 worth of points in Wyoming and the tag is gonna be another $1200 before the hunt even starts. 😅
Ping pong balls for the win.
Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable
I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
Ain’t easy havin pals.
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Sounds like a good night pard. 👍
PS, if you actually (hunt), nothing here should get you down, it is worth a few laughs though!! 😂😂 That’s for sure. I’ll say they aren’t required if you match them to the cartridge launcher.
Semper Fi
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Jud- You know they are REQUIRED! All the hunting shows and Instagram flat bill stars say so. 🤣🤣
Also one persons premium is another’s junk!
I’d say whatever shoots most accurately in a persons rifle is what I’d roll with.
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