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Re: So Why the 308? [Re: IndyCA35] #15611743 01/05/21
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Originally Posted by Bugger
The 308 is for those who cannot stand the tremendous recoil of a full size cartridge like the 30-06.

Originally Posted by IndyCA35
.308 rifles can be a couple of ounces lighter. So what? Most of us are 20 pounds overweight, or more. As for those who think a 30-06 recoils too much, either you don't know how to shoot, your rifle doesn't fit, or you're holding it wrong. I doubt if anyone can tell the difference between a .308 and a 30-06 under hunting conditions anyway.


At almost 60 in a few months, I'm likely not 1 lb overweight, let alone 20.

The majority of the hunting I do is mountain backpack hunting, where (as good a shape as I'm in - and I'm in damn good shape) I find ounces matter. A 6.5lb (all-up) 308 rifle is not only easier to carry (ounces make pounds), it's more enjoyable to shoot than a similarly weighted 30-06. I KNOW this because I've had rifles chambered in that weight in both cartridges. The 308 kicks noticeably less in a 6.5b rifle.

I've also found on multiple bull elk, mule deer, whitetail, antelope, etc., with each the 30-06 and 308 there's not one whit of difference between them in the real world of killing, vs. the world of sitting on one's fat ass whilst on the internet opining about something said person obviously has no experience with.

So, while everyone can have an opinion, not all opinions are remotely equal. Just a thought...



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Re: So Why the 308? [Re: shaman] #15611778 01/05/21
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Buddy asked why i want a 308 when I have a 3006.

My 06 is long and heavy. Knew that. Like it fine.

Kinda want a shorter and lighter rifle and do prefer short actions......so why not get a 308?

Its not a one or the other type of deal.....its a have both kinda deal smile

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Well if you ain't man enough to handle the extra weight and recoil of a .30-06 or good enough to get the job done with a .30-30, the .308 is an option.

Re: So Why the 308? [Re: shaman] #15612077 01/05/21
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Sorry about your pup. We were lucky to have a Vet who would come to the house the last 2 times it became necessary.
Still two of the worst days of my life.

I'll offer a .308 anecdote from my former neighbor here in FL. He grew up on a ranch in Rhodesia and later became a PH.
The boarding school in S.A. would send them home for a month 3 times per year instead of our customary 3 months off
once a year. Upon arrival at the ranch he would take his Mauser .308 out and shoot an Impala. Said Impala was then traded for
a brick (1000 rnds) of 7.62 ball at the nearby government run range/shooting club. He would then while away his time burning up
that ammo on targets of opportunity, typically going through 3 1/2 bricks in his 4 weeks of vacation. Imagine how much confidence and
skill accrues from all that practice! Probably why he was much enamored of the old .308 all these years later.


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Re: So Why the 308? [Re: shaman] #15612231 01/05/21
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Gee, so many manly men on this site who can tolerate the fearsome recoil of the .30-06, gaining such a huge advantage over the .308.

Have mentioned this before here and there, but I have taken more big game animals with the .30-06 than any other single cartridge, including 24 different species. Since 1997 have taken more big game with a single .30-06 rifle, my New Ultra Light Arms Model 24. It's so light than more than one of my very experienced hunting friends has commented on how much more it recoils than the .30-06s they've fired.

But between the .338 Winchester Magnum, 9.3x62 and .375 H&H I've also taken more big game than my total with the .30-06, also including 24 different species from Alaska to Africa. If you throw in the various .300 magnums I've used (WSM, H&H, Winchester and Weatherby) the total far exceeds that of the .30-06. Is this enough for me to join the manly recoil club?


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Re: So Why the 308? [Re: Mule Deer] #15613849 01/05/21
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Pardon me for asking out of context here about the 308 Win.

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but I have taken more big game animals with the .30-06 than any other single cartridge,


John, if you narrowed it down to one big game load in your '06 what would it be?

bullet, powder, case, primer,

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I just bought the 2nd 308 of my lifetime, a Mauser M-12 Impact. First was a Savage 99.

To the 308 aficionados here at the campfire.

What is your best 308 Win load for

Big game -

Target - 300 yards, 600 yards, and 1000 yards

Tactical -

Re: So Why the 308? [Re: Mule Deer] #15614226 01/05/21
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Originally Posted by Mule Deer
Gee, so many manly men on this site who can tolerate the fearsome recoil of the .30-06, gaining such a huge advantage over the .308.

Have mentioned this before here and there, but I have taken more big game animals with the .30-06 than any other single cartridge, including 24 different species. Since 1997 have taken more big game with a single .30-06 rifle, my New Ultra Light Arms Model 24. It's so light than more than one of my very experienced hunting friends has commented on how much more it recoils than the .30-06s they've fired.

But between the .338 Winchester Magnum, 9.3x62 and .375 H&H I've also taken more big game than my total with the .30-06, also including 24 different species from Alaska to Africa. If you throw in the various .300 magnums I've used (WSM, H&H, Winchester and Weatherby) the total far exceeds that of the .30-06. Is this enough for me to join the manly recoil club?


A long time friend of mine, who has a quite impressive collection of pre64 M70's and is a 458WM loony (he owns five of them) likes to say when we kid him about recoil "No brain, no pain".......

He even shot a pronghorn with a 458, I watched him do it with my own eyes..........


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I've got a pre 64 Featherweight and it just happens to be a 308


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Re: So Why the 308? [Re: shaman] #15614372 01/05/21
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I like both cartridges, just loaded 240 rounds of 308. Have to keep the inventory up. As for the recoil thing I don't see a lot of difference between my pretty light 308 and my 1 1/2 pound heavier 30-06. I would not send half a day blasting away hunting ammo with either. Load development has been fast and easy with both rounds.

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I see no difference between the 30-06 the 308 or the 270 as far as recoil or a big difference or trajectory out to 250 yards I do know the 30-06 has the authority as far as knock down power up close over the other 2

Re: So Why the 308? [Re: rickt300] #15614429 01/05/21
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Originally Posted by rickt300
I don't see a lot of difference between my pretty light 308 and my 1 1/2 pound heavier 30-06.


You just made my point... apparently the manly men on this thread can’t quite grasp this fact. And, of course, in the real world the difference on game is indistinguishable... except to manly men.


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Originally Posted by earlybrd
I see no difference between the 30-06 the 308 or the 270 as far as recoil or a big difference or trajectory out to 250 yards I do know the 30-06 has the authority as far as knock down power up close over the other 2


I've owned 270's and 30-06's in identical M700's (even made the same year) and in tang safety M77's. The 06 definitely has more recoil........


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Originally Posted by alpinecrick
Originally Posted by earlybrd
I see no difference between the 30-06 the 308 or the 270 as far as recoil or a big difference or trajectory out to 250 yards I do know the 30-06 has the authority as far as knock down power up close over the other 2


I've owned 270's and 30-06's in identical M700's (even made the same year) and in tang safety M77's. The 06 definitely has more recoil........


I guess recoil is considered differently by people. My 30-06 is stocked to fit me, has a good recoil pad and yes it "kicks" harder than my similar 270 but neither bother me a lot. And when shooting at game animals I really never notice it. I would rather shoot a long string at the bench with the 270 than the light 308 or the 30-06 because felt recoil is pretty mild noting the rifle weighs around 9 pounds. The 30-06 closer to 8 1/4 pounds. The 308 is kind of buckish with hunting loads off the bench because it is light and short. However I can easily shoot them enough to be capable with any of the three and other rifles that actually put out some "kick". I never really considered recoil (within reason) to be an issue with a hunting rifle. I had for a time a light 338 that was brutal at the bench but it still handily killed two elk for me before I sold it and built a 35 Whelen.

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The great post by kabuko68 puts a lot into perspective and context. But loonyism is fun too......................


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Re: So Why the 308? [Re: shaman] #15614800 01/05/21
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I took a 308 in a Remington 600 for my first Elk hunt in the Nez Pearce pass near the Selway River in Idaho close to 50 years ago and I was in great shape then after getting out of the Marines. I'm glad I didn't take anything heavier. Everyone else had 300 WM's or 7mm RM's.

I've owned many 308's, mostly in 600's or 660's. But I don't mind stirring the pot now and then grin.


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Pretty much any cartridge in any gun, held in competent hands will serve its purpose. People that hunt timber country might see little benefit in “long range” guns/cartridges and vice versa. I think the .308 it a good round but I have no use for it unless it’s belt fed.


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I've taken most of my big game with 12 gauge slugs, but given the choice a 308 or 30/06 would probably work as well, if not better, overall.

(I like the 308; super accurate, economical and a fun round to shoot).



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Originally Posted by SU35
Pardon me for asking out of context here about the 308 Win.

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but I have taken more big game animals with the .30-06 than any other single cartridge,


John, if you narrowed it down to one big game load in your '06 what would it be?

bullet, powder, case, primer,




A while back I probably would have picked the 200-grain Partition with enough H4831 to get around 2700 fps. Liked (and still like) that load a lot, having used it ever since the last year or two of the "sem-spitzer," lathe-turned version of the bullet. Have taken game from pronghorns to elk with it at various ranges, and it always works. Generally have used 59-60 grains, with whatever brass and CCI 200s. The charge with the original mil-surp H4831 mostly varied with the thickness of the brass--thicker brass resulted in the same velocity with a little less powder. But with H4831SC it works even better, and getting enough powder in the case isn't a problem.

But have also killed a lot of big game with various other .30-06 handloads, partly due to having to experiment with new stuff. My most recent I worked up last summer, the 175 Barnes LRX with IMR4451, one of my favorite newer powders. Hodgdon's max listed charge got a little over 2800 fps, and the very first 3-shot group from the NULA was right around 1/2" at 100 yards. It kept shooting like that, and I used it to take a mule deer doe at 327 yards. The shot was angling away, and the LRX landed where it was pointed, dropping the deer quickly with very little meat damage. Will probably be using that combo quite a bit for local hunting in the future, as our valley has more grizzlies every year.

But have used a pile of .30-06 loads over the years. Sometime I might have to list them all in an article, maybe for RIFLE LOONY NEWS.


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If I could only own one rifle it would be a 308 Win


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