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I have a friend that is wanting to get into reloading (bad time to start but what can I say).
He gave me a list of what he is wanting to load for which includes the following:
243 Winchester using 100gr bullets
300 Win Mag using 150gr bullets
300 Savage using 150gr bullets
308 Winchester using 150gr bullets
Pistol
9mm with 120gr and 40S&W with 180 gr
My question is what powders would you suggest I tell him look for that will cover these. I know there will be a divide between the pistol and rifle but trying to help him buy as few different powders as possible to cover his needs. He is a deer hunter and not a target shoot.
Thanks in advance
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H4895 is a good do it all powder, But I'd go with something slower with the 300 Win Mag such as H4831sc.
I don't load those two pistol cartridges any more, but Unique is a good do-it-all powder for pistols.
I prefer classic.
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I have a friend that is wanting to get into reloading (bad time to start but what can I say).
He gave me a list of what he is wanting to load for which includes the following:
243 Winchester using 100gr bullets
300 Win Mag using 150gr bullets
300 Savage using 150gr bullets
308 Winchester using 150gr bullets
Pistol
9mm with 120gr and 40S&W with 180 gr
My question is what powders would you suggest I tell him look for that will cover these. I know there will be a divide between the pistol and rifle but trying to help him buy as few different powders as possible to cover his needs. He is a deer hunter and not a target shoot.
Thanks in advance
He needs two rifle powders. One for the .243 and .300WM and one for the .300 Savage and .308. For the .243 and .300WM, I’d be looking at a temp stable powder in the R23 burn rate and for the .300 Savage and .308 I’d be looking at the R15 and Varget burn rates. John
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The "one powder" idea is a novice concept that never really works.
Don't let him begin on the wrong path. As previously mentioned he should have at least two different powders for the above rifle.
He could do a lot with H4350, but that presuming he can even find any right now.
What's he going to do for primers?
Are you going to give him some, or is he going to pay $500 a thousand on Gunbroker? If not powder don't matter because he's not going to be reloading anytime soon.
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Here is my part/plan to help him
1) give him 1-2 hundred LRM primers
2) give him 1-2 hundred LR primers
3) Help him find dies, brass, bullets, powder, press, and scale.
I figure he can get up to speed with a little instruction from me. I can show him the small tools (case mouth deburring tool, etc.) that you need and he can pick that stuff up a little at a time as he goes along.
When someone tells me they want to start reloading, I hate to tell them they need to drop a bundle just to get going. You never know how deep they really want to go. Heck I guess he could get by with the old Lee 1 caliber in a box loading kit that were something like $20 back in the day if he just wants a box or two per year type thing.
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I have a friend that is wanting to get into reloading (bad time to start but what can I say).
He gave me a list of what he is wanting to load for which includes the following:
243 Winchester using 100gr bullets
300 Win Mag using 150gr bullets
300 Savage using 150gr bullets
308 Winchester using 150gr bullets
Pistol
9mm with 120gr and 40S&W with 180 gr
My question is what powders would you suggest I tell him look for that will cover these. I know there will be a divide between the pistol and rifle but trying to help him buy as few different powders as possible to cover his needs. He is a deer hunter and not a target shoot.
Thanks in advance
He needs two rifle powders. One for the .243 and .300WM and one for the .300 Savage and .308. For the .243 and .300WM, I’d be looking at a temp stable powder in the R23 burn rate and for the .300 Savage and .308 I’d be looking at the R15 and Varget burn rates. John This two-rifle-powders solution would be my suggestion. And one pistol powder in the Unique/Universal/Power Pistol/Long Shot burn range. Like Antelope Sniper said, the "one powder" idea has serious limitations in reality, and is a sort of pipe dream. You can pick one powder for all the mentioned rifle cartridges and bullets, but it will give less-than-ideal performance for at least two. You could actually use one powder for all the above, including the pistols, such as Unique, and it will push the bullets out the barrels, but not at typical velocities from the rifles. I've done this, and it is rewarding in its own way, but it isn't for novices.
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I really figured he would need 3 powder (at least) to do this. I was thinking a pistol powder, one for 243/308/maybe 300 Savage and some type of a Mag powder. I do not reload for anything in 30 cal. so not sure how any of that breaks down and overlaps.
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I really figured he would need 3 powder (at least) to do this. I was thinking a pistol powder, one for 243/308/maybe 300 Savage and some type of a Mag powder. I do not reload for anything in 30 cal. so not sure how any of that breaks down and overlaps.
The 300 Savage and 308 are fairly close in case-capacity-to-bore-volume ratio, so one powder burn rate would work for both if shooting the same weight bullets, something in the R-15/Varget/4895 burn range. The 243 is "overbore", as is the 300WM. Since the 300 is using light-for-caliber bullets, you might get away with the 300S/308W powder in the 300WM, but performance will lag. The 243 is using bullets on the heavier end of the spectrum, so a slower powder than is ideal in the 300S/308W will be better, something 4350 or slower, with very slow powders like H1000 even being contenders. These slower powders will also give best velocity out of the 300WM. Two rifle powders will work, with one being for the 300S/308W and one being for the 243/300WM.
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Helping someone get started in reloading is a good place to be.... We all needed some mentoring.
When i was thinking about reloading[ 30+ years ago ] this is what 2 very experienced reloaders told me:
1] Reloading is a fine hobby.
2] Done well, you can prepare ammunition better than the stuff on the shelf.
3] Start out small. You dont need to be an equipment nut. Read, ask, and learn. Be safe
4] Yes, you can load good ammo cheaper PER CARTRIDGE than factory stuff.
5] But you wont save any money because you will be shooting considerably more than before. :-)
They also told me that 'if you have any more generral questions before you start.... go back through this list.
All of the above was and is right on. Your friend should hear this if he hasnt already.
The current shortages of everything puts a damper on reloading.
Hopefully the shortages are mostly covid and political-climate related and will soon improve.
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One the rifle side, either version of 4350 or RL-19 is about as close as 1 powder can get; not optimum in all be good enough.
On the pistol side, PowerPistol or Unique will be fine.
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The "one powder" idea is a novice concept that never really works.
^^^^ This. Reloading isn't a simplex linear programming problem. If this criterion is really important, I'd politely steer him towards factory ammo.
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I like H4831sc for 243 (don't load for 300WM)
and I'm using IMR 8208xbr for both 300 Savage and 308 Win, with very good results.
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I can and do load all of those rifle rounds Except the Savage with IMR-4350 including the 300WM. Pistol powder would be hard to beat Unique.
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The "one powder" idea is a novice concept that never really works.
^^^^ This. Reloading isn't a simplex linear programming problem. If this criterion is really important, I'd politely steer him towards factory ammo. Good friend he can’t buy factory ammo either. Maybe he has a idea and learns he needs 1 or 2 more powders than he was thinking. You know after he learns a little bit. Not everyone knows everything when they first start something new. He also has a friend to help him that knows what he’s doing. Anyway now that all the negative stuff is out of the way. H4350 and H4831sc will both work with his 243 and 300win. I use H4350 in 22-250AI,6 creedmoor, 243’s,friends 6.5 creed and my 260. I say that to say he might can use it for his 300 savage and 308? The last two I just don’t know? I use ‘15 in my wife’s 250AI and varget for others 308’s. No clue about pistol powder. Good on you for helping him though. As you know now is not the best time to start loading but getting some things as he can and learning the basics is a start.
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I suggest he start with one easy one (the .308, or whatever he shoots the most), then move on when he starts to get the hang of it. Will simplify his component logistics and get him used to the processes involved without the confusion of multiple cartridges. Ease the financial whack a bit too.
If I was just going to reload hunting ammo for one rifle, a Lee Loader would work very well, along with a good scale. Still use them at times.
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I have been looking into Staball 6.5. It's newer and seems to hold some promise for flexibility. I don't think they have explicit data on some of those listed cartridges, but they do list similar ones that could serve as a starting point *if* a more experienced reloader were to help him develop a load. As many have stated, one-size-fits-all is hard to do.
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Over the years a few guys I knew wanted to start reloading. I showed them how with my stuff, let them buy their own components & coached them thru the process still using my stuff. One or two bought their own stuff, one continued using my stuff for a few years to load his hunting ammo after a good load was found, & the rest lost interest. If he's a good friend you guys can hang out for a few hours after work or on a weekend to see if he really is interested. He can cruise the classifieds looking for what he may need bit by bit while using your stuff.
I would think a 4350 of some sort or 4451 for the 243 & 300WM, & a mid burner... RL15, 4064, 4895, etc. for the 308 & the Savage might be the best option. One powder is setting himself up for failure & that usually means loss of interest. A middle of the road pistol powder will be a start. W231 or even Trail Boss might be a good beginning. Guessing it really depends on what's available more than what's optimal right now.
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While he is planning, keep looking for a loading press and dies. Nothing is easy to find these days.
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As for rifle I don't have a 243 but for everything else on the list I've had good luck with 8208XBR.
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The "one powder" idea is a novice concept that never really works.
^^^^ This. Reloading isn't a simplex linear programming problem. If this criterion is really important, I'd politely steer him towards factory ammo. Agreed. Although one can "get by" with only a few powders, you have to remember that each rifle/cartridge/bullet combination is going to give different results, when using different powders. I always experiment a lot when working up a load, and it is a very rare thing to strike gold with the first powder you try......which is why I like to keep a number of powders on hand. If the best and most accurate load doesn't interest you, then the one powder concept might be okay.
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Pullit, RL-17. That's your huckleberry. On paper, the data for this looks really good vs. your requirements. The problem is, in the real world, rifles are like women. There's no accounting for what they do, or do not like, and sometimes a given bullet/powder/primer combination just will not work. In the past I've gotten some great buys on surplus powders. Sometimes they work with a wide variety of bullets. Other times I have to test 10+ to find something that provides acceptable groups. In other words, if you are stuck on using one powder, don't get stuck on the idea you will also get good results with the first bullet you choose for each cartridge. In my experience, it seems the guys who like RL powders have a tendency to light them with Federal Primers. I'd be very interested in experience to the contrary, especially now with all components selling for a premium. With all that said, if I was in your shoes, I'd start looking for some Rl-17. Good luck with that. There's not much for powder available right now. It's the worst I've ever seen it. It's great in the .308:
Cartridge : .308 Win. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .308, 150, Nosler BalTip 30150
Useable Case Capaci: 46.998 grain H2O = 3.051 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.800 inch = 71.12 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-17 *T
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 0.98% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-09.8 101 46.00 2669 2372 41484 7612 94.1 1.249
-08.8 102 46.50 2701 2431 42996 7702 94.7 1.229
-07.8 103 47.00 2734 2490 44573 7789 95.3 1.209
-06.9 105 47.50 2767 2551 46216 7873 95.8 1.189
-05.9 106 48.00 2800 2612 47932 7952 96.3 1.170
-04.9 107 48.50 2833 2674 49721 8027 96.8 1.151
-03.9 108 49.00 2867 2737 51590 8098 97.2 1.132
-02.9 109 49.50 2900 2801 53545 8164 97.6 1.113 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 110 50.00 2933 2865 55589 8226 98.0 1.095 ! Near Maximum !
-01.0 111 50.50 2966 2931 57726 8283 98.3 1.077 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 112 51.00 2999 2997 59963 8335 98.6 1.060 ! Near Maximum !
+01.0 113 51.50 3033 3063 62308 8382 98.9 1.042 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0 114 52.00 3066 3131 64766 8424 99.2 1.025 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.9 116 52.50 3099 3199 67345 8460 99.4 1.008 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.9 117 53.00 3132 3268 70049 8491 99.6 0.992 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.9 118 53.50 3166 3338 72895 8516 99.7 0.976 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 3% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 3% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 112 51.00 3054 3106 63634 8283 99.6 1.033 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 3% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 112 51.00 2939 2877 56439 8329 97.2 1.089 ! Near Maximum !
Great in the .300 Win Mag:
Cartridge : .300 Win. Mag.(SAAMI)
Bullet : .308, 150, Nosler BalTip 30150
Useable Case Capaci: 81.759 grain H2O = 5.309 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-17 *T
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
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% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-06.8 87 69.00 3112 3225 49415 11648 100.0 1.179
-06.1 88 69.50 3132 3268 50525 11688 100.0 1.167
-05.4 89 70.00 3153 3312 51659 11726 100.0 1.156
-04.7 89 70.50 3174 3356 52821 11764 100.0 1.144
-04.1 90 71.00 3195 3399 54009 11801 100.0 1.133
-03.4 90 71.50 3215 3443 55224 11838 100.0 1.122 ! Near Maximum !
-02.7 91 72.00 3236 3487 56468 11874 100.0 1.110 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 92 72.50 3256 3532 57742 11911 100.0 1.100 ! Near Maximum !
-01.4 92 73.00 3277 3576 59044 11946 100.0 1.089 ! Near Maximum !
-00.7 93 73.50 3297 3620 60378 11982 100.0 1.078 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 94 74.00 3317 3665 61743 12017 100.0 1.067 ! Near Maximum !
+00.7 94 74.50 3337 3709 63144 12052 100.0 1.057 ! Near Maximum !
+01.4 95 75.00 3357 3754 64574 12086 100.0 1.047 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0 95 75.50 3377 3799 66032 12120 100.0 1.037 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.7 96 76.00 3397 3844 67521 12153 100.0 1.027 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.4 97 76.50 3417 3889 69041 12186 100.0 1.017 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
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Data for burning rate increased by 3% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 94 74.00 3357 3754 65659 11877 100.0 1.042 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 3% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 94 74.00 3271 3564 57907 12174 100.0 1.096 ! Near Maximum !
If you want to go up to 180gr Bullet for Elk and Moose, it works for that:
Cartridge : .300 Win. Mag.(SAAMI)
Bullet : .308, 180, Nosler AccuBond 54825
Useable Case Capaci: 79.821 grain H2O = 5.183 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-17 *T
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
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-07.2 83 64.00 2830 3200 48154 11089 100.0 1.293
-06.5 84 64.50 2849 3244 49269 11136 100.0 1.280
-05.8 84 65.00 2868 3288 50410 11182 100.0 1.267
-05.1 85 65.50 2887 3332 51576 11227 100.0 1.254
-04.3 86 66.00 2906 3376 52763 11272 100.0 1.241
-03.6 86 66.50 2925 3420 53974 11317 100.0 1.229
-02.9 87 67.00 2944 3464 55207 11362 100.0 1.216 ! Near Maximum !
-02.2 87 67.50 2963 3509 56466 11406 100.0 1.204 ! Near Maximum !
-01.4 88 68.00 2982 3553 57751 11449 100.0 1.192 ! Near Maximum !
-00.7 89 68.50 3000 3598 59064 11493 100.0 1.180 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 89 69.00 3019 3643 60406 11536 100.0 1.168 ! Near Maximum !
+00.7 90 69.50 3038 3688 61776 11578 100.0 1.157 ! Near Maximum !
+01.4 91 70.00 3056 3733 63176 11620 100.0 1.145 ! Near Maximum !
+02.2 91 70.50 3075 3778 64607 11662 100.0 1.134 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.9 92 71.00 3093 3823 66068 11703 100.0 1.123 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.6 93 71.50 3111 3869 67561 11744 100.0 1.112 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 3% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 3% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 89 69.00 3051 3721 64046 11413 100.0 1.141 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 3% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 89 69.00 2982 3555 56757 11673 100.0 1.198 ! Near Maximum !
Great in the .300 Savage:
Cartridge : .300 Savage
Bullet : .308, 150, Nosler BalTip 30150
Useable Case Capaci: 42.440 grain H2O = 2.756 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.600 inch = 66.04 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-17 *T
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
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-10.9 100 41.00 2474 2039 36275 6637 90.1 1.343
-09.8 101 41.50 2509 2097 37695 6743 90.9 1.320
-08.7 102 42.00 2544 2155 39208 6847 91.7 1.297
-07.6 104 42.50 2579 2215 40776 6947 92.4 1.274
-06.5 105 43.00 2614 2276 42420 7043 93.1 1.251
-05.4 106 43.50 2650 2338 44143 7136 93.8 1.229
-04.3 107 44.00 2685 2401 45948 7225 94.4 1.206 ! Near Maximum !
-03.3 108 44.50 2721 2465 47844 7310 95.0 1.185 ! Near Maximum !
-02.2 110 45.00 2756 2531 49832 7390 95.6 1.164 ! Near Maximum !
-01.1 111 45.50 2792 2597 51923 7466 96.2 1.143 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 112 46.00 2828 2664 54120 7537 96.7 1.122 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+01.1 113 46.50 2864 2732 56434 7603 97.2 1.102 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.2 115 47.00 2900 2802 58869 7664 97.6 1.082 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.3 116 47.50 2936 2872 61440 7720 98.0 1.063 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.3 117 48.00 2973 2943 64151 7770 98.4 1.043 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.4 118 48.50 3009 3015 67015 7814 98.7 1.025 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 3% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 3% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 112 46.00 2886 2773 57373 7554 98.3 1.093 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 3% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 112 46.00 2765 2547 50994 7468 94.6 1.154 ! Near Maximum !
It work's in the .243:
Cartridge : .243 Win.
Bullet : .243, 100, Nosler PART SPSemi 16316
Useable Case Capaci: 50.315 grain H2O = 3.267 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.710 inch = 68.83 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-17 *T
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
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CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
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-11.6 78 38.00 2743 1671 39765 10170 99.8 1.391
-10.5 79 38.50 2776 1711 41260 10252 99.9 1.367
-09.3 80 39.00 2808 1751 42810 10325 100.0 1.345
-08.1 81 39.50 2840 1791 44420 10391 100.0 1.322
-07.0 82 40.00 2871 1831 46091 10453 100.0 1.300
-05.8 83 40.50 2903 1871 47825 10513 100.0 1.279
-04.7 84 41.00 2934 1911 49624 10572 100.0 1.258
-03.5 85 41.50 2965 1952 51491 10631 100.0 1.238 ! Near Maximum !
-02.3 86 42.00 2995 1992 53427 10689 100.0 1.218 ! Near Maximum !
-01.2 87 42.50 3026 2033 55423 10746 100.0 1.199 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 88 43.00 3056 2073 57482 10802 100.0 1.180 ! Near Maximum !
+01.2 89 43.50 3086 2114 59611 10857 100.0 1.161 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.3 90 44.00 3115 2155 61816 10912 100.0 1.143 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.5 91 44.50 3145 2196 64098 10965 100.0 1.125 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.7 92 45.00 3174 2237 66461 11017 100.0 1.108 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.8 94 45.50 3204 2279 68907 11069 100.0 1.091 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 3% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 3% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 88 43.00 3091 2121 60984 10684 100.0 1.152 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 3% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 88 43.00 3016 2020 53959 10935 100.0 1.210 ! Near Maximum !
I noticed you didn't have any varmint cartridge's on your list. So here's a bonus: This looks like a bad day to be a prairie dog.
Cartridge : .243 Win.
Bullet : .243, 55, Nosler BalTip 39565
Useable Case Capaci: 52.674 grain H2O = 3.420 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.710 inch = 68.83 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-17 *T
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-10.0 88 45.00 3414 1423 39397 9727 94.8 1.125
-09.0 89 45.50 3454 1457 40794 9838 95.4 1.107
-08.0 90 46.00 3495 1491 42243 9944 96.0 1.090
-07.0 91 46.50 3535 1526 43747 10044 96.6 1.073
-06.0 92 47.00 3575 1561 45309 10138 97.1 1.056
-05.0 93 47.50 3615 1596 46929 10226 97.6 1.039
-04.0 94 48.00 3655 1632 48611 10308 98.0 1.023
-03.0 95 48.50 3695 1667 50359 10383 98.4 1.007
-02.0 96 49.00 3735 1703 52175 10451 98.8 0.992 ! Near Maximum !
-01.0 97 49.50 3774 1740 54058 10513 99.1 0.976 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 98 50.00 3814 1776 56023 10568 99.3 0.961 ! Near Maximum !
+01.0 99 50.50 3853 1813 58062 10615 99.6 0.946 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 100 51.00 3891 1849 60184 10655 99.7 0.932 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0 101 51.50 3930 1886 62390 10688 99.9 0.917 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 102 52.00 3968 1923 64687 10713 100.0 0.903 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0 103 52.50 4006 1960 67075 10730 100.0 0.889 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 3% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 3% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 98 50.00 3879 1838 59542 10499 99.9 0.936 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 3% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 98 50.00 3741 1709 52657 10566 98.2 0.988 ! Near Maximum !
And I don't think the coyotes wouldn't like this:
Cartridge : .243 Win.
Bullet : .243, 70, Nosler BalTip 39532
Useable Case Capaci: 51.230 grain H2O = 3.326 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.710 inch = 68.83 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-17 *T
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.064% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-10.6 85 42.00 3151 1544 39391 10095 97.3 1.218
-09.6 86 42.50 3189 1581 40823 10200 97.8 1.198
-08.5 87 43.00 3227 1618 42306 10299 98.2 1.179
-07.4 88 43.50 3264 1656 43850 10392 98.6 1.160
-06.4 89 44.00 3301 1694 45450 10477 98.9 1.141
-05.3 90 44.50 3338 1732 47112 10555 99.2 1.123
-04.3 91 45.00 3375 1771 48838 10627 99.4 1.105
-03.2 92 45.50 3412 1809 50629 10691 99.6 1.087
-02.1 93 46.00 3448 1848 52492 10747 99.8 1.070 ! Near Maximum !
-01.1 94 46.50 3484 1887 54424 10795 99.9 1.053 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 95 47.00 3520 1926 56437 10836 100.0 1.036 ! Near Maximum !
+01.1 96 47.50 3556 1965 58530 10869 100.0 1.020 ! Near Maximum !
+02.1 97 48.00 3591 2005 60704 10898 100.0 1.004 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.2 98 48.50 3626 2044 62964 10926 100.0 0.988 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.3 99 49.00 3661 2083 65319 10953 100.0 0.973 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.3 100 49.50 3696 2123 67769 10979 100.0 0.958 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 3% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 3% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 95 47.00 3573 1984 60025 10695 100.0 1.010 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 3% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 95 47.00 3461 1862 53011 10929 99.5 1.065 ! Near Maximum !
Last edited by antelope_sniper; 01/10/21.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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Varget could work for all the rifles couldn’t it with the 150s in the .300 WM?
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R-17 might be one of the easier powders to find.
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As asked I too vote for varget
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Thanks for all the help on this, I am going to talk to him this week and forward all this info to him. I have some brass for the 243 and 300 WM as well as a set of 300 WM dies for him. I have an old RCBS partner press that I use to carry to the range with me to play with bullet seating depths that he can use until something better shows up. I don't think a scale will be too hard to come by but I have not found any bullets for him yet.
I may not be smart but I can lift heavy objects
I have a shotgun so I have no need for a 30-06.....
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RL17 for most everything I run.
Yup.
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One the rifle side, either version of 4350 or RL-19 is about as close as 1 powder can get; not optimum in all be good enough.
On the pistol side, PowerPistol or Unique will be fine.
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Varget is indicated in the hodgdon data fro everything but the 300 Savage, with what appears to be pretty good numbers. I don' know know anything about pistols.
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Varget is indicated in the hodgdon data fro everything but the 300 Savage, with what appears to be pretty good numbers. I don' know know anything about pistols.
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