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Originally Posted by baldhunter
I used to shoot behind the shoulder an inch or two below the mid point of the body.I was amazed at how such a well placed shot often resulted in a deer making a long mad dash before dying.Many of those were a 100yds or so.I think the lungs are super shock absorbers.Being spongy and flexible,a low lung shot,even though it is a lethal shot,it seems to protect the spine from the bullet shock as it travels through the chest cavity.I started shooting tight up against the shoulder,an inch or two above the mid point of the body.You still get the lungs but most of the lungs are below the wound channel and it doesn't affect the shock of the bullet like the lower shot does.The result is you get a lot of shock to the underside of the spine and also ruptures the large arteries that are just below the spine.I get consistent DRT kills with that shot.Another thing to notice is the diaphragm is angled.A low shot a little too far behind the shoulder and you will either hit or rupture the stomach.Shooting a little higher,you can still hit back a ways and still be in the lungs and avoiding a gut shot.
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400 yards after hit through the heart with a 165 Hornady Interlock out of a 30-06.
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If everyone would just hunt with a 243 win and shoot 95gr BT bullets there'd be no reason to ever trail a deer.


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Originally Posted by TrueGrit
If everyone would just hunt with a 243 win and shoot 95gr BT bullets there'd be no reason to ever trail a deer.


Odessa would disagree

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If everyone would just hunt with a 243 win and shoot 95gr BT bullets there'd be no reason to ever trail a deer.


Odessa would disagree


Yep, Based on my experience with those two deer I would disagree! Although I have toyed with the idea of buying another .243 WIN and using TSX bullets in it.


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Longest recently a buck shot broadside middle of the ribs. 300 gn 50 cal. Barnes Expander. A couple of drops of blood and a plug of hair where I shot him. Found him 1/4 mile away 4 hours later. Not one drop of blood. Didn't bleed in the truck either.

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Originally Posted by Hogwild7
Longest recently a buck shot broadside middle of the ribs. 300 gn 50 cal. Barnes Expander. A couple of drops of blood and a plug of hair where I shot him. Found him 1/4 mile away 4 hours later. Not one drop of blood. Didn't bleed in the truck either.

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FIL shot a buck that had a broadhead lodged in a vertebrae, shaft had come out, entry wound healed up, point had wallowed out a hole in the bone, he likely ran for two+ years and then bumped into FILs Winchester 1894, 32-40....


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350 yards............twice.

1st one: Small buck shot at 50 yards rear lung/front liver with a .300 Win Mag and 150 grain (original) Ballistic Tip. Palm-sized hunks of lung laying where he was hit.

2nd one: Mature doe shot tight behind the shoulder (slightly quartering toward) at 275 yards with a 7-STW and 140 grain AccuBond. 7mm hole in.........7mm hole out...........zero blood. Only way the deer was recovered is that I had a group of about 8 guys come by and help me sweep a huge area.

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About 35 yrs ago I had one MD run over 500 yds downhill with its liver blown out. I had seen them from the truck about 1/2 mile away and parked and stalked up on them. Shot a nice 4x4 buck and it took off running down hill towards my truck, crossed the road and fell dead just about 20 yds past my truck. Talk about luck.


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Originally Posted by smokinggun
Originally Posted by baldhunter
I used to shoot behind the shoulder an inch or two below the mid point of the body.I was amazed at how such a well placed shot often resulted in a deer making a long mad dash before dying.Many of those were a 100yds or so.I think the lungs are super shock absorbers.Being spongy and flexible,a low lung shot,even though it is a lethal shot,it seems to protect the spine from the bullet shock as it travels through the chest cavity.I started shooting tight up against the shoulder,an inch or two above the mid point of the body.You still get the lungs but most of the lungs are below the wound channel and it doesn't affect the shock of the bullet like the lower shot does.The result is you get a lot of shock to the underside of the spine and also ruptures the large arteries that are just below the spine.I get consistent DRT kills with that shot.Another thing to notice is the diaphragm is angled.A low shot a little too far behind the shoulder and you will either hit or rupture the stomach.Shooting a little higher,you can still hit back a ways and still be in the lungs and avoiding a gut shot.
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Good post, I need to start aiming just a little higher.


I've killed a lot of deer and not many ran very far, but I did have a little bad luck last hunting season(2019) with a couple of low shots that were too far back. Reading this post made me realize that and just a couple of days ago I took a doe with my crossbow and placed the shot higher than I had been. She only made it 20 yards! Learn something new every day! Thank you!

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Originally Posted by baldhunter
I used to shoot behind the shoulder an inch or two below the mid point of the body.I was amazed at how such a well placed shot often resulted in a deer making a long mad dash before dying.Many of those were a 100yds or so.I think the lungs are super shock absorbers.Being spongy and flexible,a low lung shot,even though it is a lethal shot,it seems to protect the spine from the bullet shock as it travels through the chest cavity.I started shooting tight up against the shoulder,an inch or two above the mid point of the body.You still get the lungs but most of the lungs are below the wound channel and it doesn't affect the shock of the bullet like the lower shot does.The result is you get a lot of shock to the underside of the spine and also ruptures the large arteries that are just below the spine.I get consistent DRT kills with that shot.Another thing to notice is the diaphragm is angled.A low shot a little too far behind the shoulder and you will either hit or rupture the stomach.Shooting a little higher,you can still hit back a ways and still be in the lungs and avoiding a gut shot.
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Ever notice how small a room for error there is in the high shoulder shot? And how few vitals rest there....


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Longest run I've seen from a dead deer we have NO clue... for it was a double lung shot. Pieces of lung on the ground. Blood trail. And the buck was killed 3-4 weeks later running a doe. Yes. He had all the bullet wound healed. Ribs on each side were hit. And cartilage type healing pretty centered both lungs. Scar tissue if you will.

Bullet? Oh yeah, the vaunted Sierra game kings. 165 btsp out of an 06.

You simply never know.

I"ve seen gut shots fall quite often and never move. I've seen heart shots go a long ways like almost half a mile. I've seen fast bullets that knock on their butts like the 257 wtby usually not go more than 25 steps. OR go 400 yards now and then.

Each time you pull the trigger you NEVER know.

This year I followed a deer for about 3 hours on the blood trail and the last time he got up from a bed and looked at me. He had been hit double lung with a berger at about 300 yards. We went looking to early I guess, jumped him from his first bed about 20 minutes after the shot. But last I'd seen him he was bleeding so bad and stumbling low to the ground we just put Tiger on him and oops... But he did die. Left most of his blood in the first 150 yards. Very little after that. Distance? 600 yards or so.

Each deer is going to be different no matter your theory.


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500yds or so. Big doe, hit broadside in the lungs, perhaps a touch high, with a 168NBT from a .308win. It was a good hit, and there was plenty of blood and lung matter hanging on the brush for the whole tracking job. We'd keep find that pink pudding everywhere and just knew she'd be "just up ahead". Tough old doe had a will to live.


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