If you could have only one handgun that you would rely on for everything from target practice to the apocalypse, what would it be?
You would carry it in urban areas concealed; use if to defend against grizzly bears, Indians, rioters, and Visigoths; you would use it to hunt for food when out in the wild; you don’t want it to be too heavy when hauling it around long distances with a heavy pack; you don’t want it to be too big to conceal easily; you want it to be reliable enough for years to come; repeatability would be a plus, and fast reloading; etc. …
What would it be?
I think I would grab my G29. It’s only a bit bigger than a Walther PPK; holds 11 rounds; weighs just a half ounce over 2 lbs loaded; doesn’t recoil a ton; and can spit out 155gr bullets at over 1,400 fps (700 ft-lbs) or 200gr HC bullets at over 1,100 fps.
I carry a 1911A1 or SIGP-220. I guess why change? Be Well, RZ.
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You will never get more Horsepower than the 9MM. It is the do all caliber in a world of ne're do well calibers that are a blight on society as it is known in this world or anywhere else. Volumns have been written, spoken and signaled about its greatness. There have never before, now or in the future such a great caliber that fires a projectile from a firearms that can be toted by a mere human being. Just the mention of the 9MM strikes fear in the criminal element in the world. Just hold it over your head and yell 9MM and the thugs and their kind will fall at your feet. You will be known as the purveyor of MIRACULOUS FARCENESS as you tiptoe on your way. So anything in 9MM would naturally be THE GUN that would be know as the ONE AND ONLY owned by the smart owners of firearms.
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For me a 6 shot 45 Colt with 4 3/4" barrel capable of shooting 300 grain hardcast to 1350 FPS. Could double as CCW and capable le of taking any game animal
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If you could have only one handgun that you would rely on for everything from target practice to the apocalypse, what would it be?
You would carry it in urban areas concealed; use if to defend against grizzly bears, Indians, rioters, and Visigoths; you would use it to hunt for food when out in the wild; you don’t want it to be too heavy when hauling it around long distances with a heavy pack; you don’t want it to be too big to conceal easily; you want it to be reliable enough for years to come; repeatability would be a plus, and fast reloading; etc. …
What would it be?
I think I would grab my G29. It’s only a bit bigger than a Walther PPK; holds 11 rounds; weighs just a half ounce over 2 lbs loaded; doesn’t recoil a ton; and can spit out 155gr bullets at over 1,400 fps (700 ft-lbs) or 200gr HC bullets at over 1,100 fps.
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One handgun for everything/anything? That's asking a lot of one gun. Probably a S&W Mountain Gun (629) in 44 mag. Gary Sitton made his case for it years ago in an old Guns and Ammo article entitled "The Last Gun", makes sense to me even though I don't own one, I'd have to make do with my 4" Redhawk in 44 mag. My handloads could make it suffice for anything I would ask of it, 240/250 grain H.P.'s for stuff they're good for, 330 grain LBT's for the big, nasty stuff with teeth and claws, and maybe 180 grain cast for plinking/small game.
I'll also confess an interest in some kind of auto pistol in 10MM, never owned one but I might make that work also.
My 6", plain vanilla, 657 Smith. With a good, 220 grain cast bullet at 1100 fps or so it will do 95% of what one would ever logically call on a handgun to do, do it pretty well and last a long time doing it. It's big enough to shoot and small enough to carry
Glock 26. Not my best shooting gun, but I can rely on the durability, hide it well, and use lots of different Glock magazines. I have plenty of Buffalo Bore hard cast and Lehigh Xtreme Penetrators for bigger critters, although a brown/grizzly bear hasn't been seen in my area for a very long while.
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So, no one else want a little more horsepower than a 9mm for brown bears or Antifa thugs on crystal meth?
If I lived in brown bear country, I'd go with a Glock 23 instead of a Glock 19, and I'd acquire some bear loads for it from Buffalo Bore (along with a secondary barrel featuring conventional rifling to handle hard cast lead). Ordinarily, I'd keep it loaded with standard self defense ammo with the factory barrel installed.
So, no one else want a little more horsepower than a 9mm for brown bears or Antifa thugs on crystal meth?
If I lived in brown bear country, I'd go with a Glock 23 instead of a Glock 19, and I'd acquire some bear loads for it from Buffalo Bore (along with a secondary barrel featuring conventional rifling to handle hard cast lead). Ordinarily, I'd keep it loaded with standard self defense ammo with the factory barrel installed.
I'd agree and I wouldn't even worry about the spare barrel for two reasons--BB says HC doesn't lead at 1000fps and you wouldn't be shooting HC enough to make a difference anyways.
I have a CZ 40P I bought many years ago. it was pretty much my go-to-gun and travel companion for many years - Hunting, camping, fishing, etc. A little bit much for conceal carry, but I don't carry that much anyway.
Not long ago I bought my first & only Kimber - The Kimber-Micro 9MM for conceal carry. I looked at a lot of handguns and the Kimber stood out, and was available at a good price, I like every thing about it. It fits well and shoots well.
For bears? I got a Rambo Knife I carry clenched between my teeth.
As much as I like the one on the right (25-9), the one in the middle would have to be my pick (G21SF RTF2)...
Armoring it is easier and I have spare parts handy.
That said, I have a 657MG at the Performance Center now getting "tuned up", so I may change my mind once that one comes back home.
Nice group! Especially the revolvers. The pistol seems to disturb a little bit in my opinion.
The Ruger NMBH is a 45 I suppose. But the hammer seems to be a Super Blackhawk hammer. What about the M25-9. What load do you shoot? Factory or handloads? I read about some issues with the M 25-X in 45 Colt that these guns shoot a little bit to hight due to the fact that S&W used standard 44 Magnum-M29-barrels with the front sight the same hight M29s have. I found several M25 in 45 Colt for sale with front sights which had been changed by guns smiths.
Where I would be sitting during those times the AR10 and M1A would be my choice. If they got past all that. The 1911's would be handy. .45, 38 Super. The Browning Hi Power would be on the other hip. The S&W500 would be in a shoulder rig. Might have to stop a Buick or two.
If the $h!t hit the fan, I'd stay where I'm at. Joined by friends. A bit of thought has been put into this.
Just one handgun, not an option.
Lot's of food, toilet paper and girly magazines.
Gun Shows are almost as comical as boat ramps in the Spring.
Ruger convertable Blackhawks in 357 or 45 offer some versatility, especially the 357/38 special/9mm one. Having the cyl. cut for moon clips might allow it to shoot .380's.
Colt 1911 .45 with a .22 conversion kit. While not the sharpest knife in the accuracy drawer, the conversion kit would suffice for small game killing. The choice of .45 ACP speaks for itself for all the rest.
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If you could have only one handgun that you would rely on for everything from target practice to the apocalypse, what would it be?
You would carry it in urban areas concealed; use if to defend against grizzly bears, Indians, rioters, and Visigoths; you would use it to hunt for food when out in the wild; you don’t want it to be too heavy when hauling it around long distances with a heavy pack; you don’t want it to be too big to conceal easily; you want it to be reliable enough for years to come; repeatability would be a plus, and fast reloading; etc. …
What would it be?
I think I would grab my G29. It’s only a bit bigger than a Walther PPK; holds 11 rounds; weighs just a half ounce over 2 lbs loaded; doesn’t recoil a ton; and can spit out 155gr bullets at over 1,400 fps (700 ft-lbs) or 200gr HC bullets at over 1,100 fps.
TEOTWAWKI "One Gun" threads are always good for a laugh. Homey don't need to play this game, but it's fun to watch.
I'm a bit surprised how many model 57/657's are being listed. G29 if I had to grab and go today.
i think you have to own a 57 or 657 to understand. you can run really light loads or: I shot an elk few years ago in the head with one. pretty much drt. smoke was coming out of his nose, and eyes were bulged out. all by grandson could say was S.O.B.
My S&W 28-2 probably. But I have carried and shot my S&W 29-2 more. If it was a charging big bear situation, which will never happen, I would trust prayers to God before either.
The Ruger NMBH is a 45 I suppose. But the hammer seems to be a Super Blackhawk hammer. What about the M25-9. What load do you shoot? Factory or handloads? I read about some issues with the M 25-X in 45 Colt that these guns shoot a little bit to hight due to the fact that S&W used standard 44 Magnum-M29-barrels with the front sight the same hight M29s have. I found several M25 in 45 Colt for sale with front sights which had been changed by guns smiths.
Yessir, the Ruger is a 45Colt/45ACP convertible that was tuned up by Jack Huntington. The 25-9's had all the bugs worked out of them, included S&W's Endurance Package upgrades and, in my opinion, were the best and rarest of the 25 series. This one shoots great with multiple loads, but the recipe I settled on for this revolver is listed below (minus the actual powder weight). It'll shoot slightly warmer loads, but this'll do for most anything I'd need it for.
Colt 1911 .45 with a .22 conversion kit. While not the sharpest knife in the accuracy drawer, the conversion kit would suffice for small game killing. The choice of .45 ACP speaks for itself for all the rest.
Word on the street is the Nelson Custom, Marvel design conversion unit is bullseye competition worthy. Very accurate.
A good 1911 in 10 or 45 paired with one of these conversions could check a lot of boxes.
Colt 1911 .45 with a .22 conversion kit. While not the sharpest knife in the accuracy drawer, the conversion kit would suffice for small game killing. The choice of .45 ACP speaks for itself for all the rest.
Word on the street is the Nelson Custom, Marvel design conversion unit is bullseye competition worthy. Very accurate.
A good 1911 in 10 or 45 paired with one of these conversions could check a lot of boxes.
Yes it is, and a very nice addition to a .45. I've used both Nelson and Marvel units competitively. Bob
I think my apocalypse is different than yours, my location is different, and my response might be different. I'm in a valley an hour west of the crest of one major mountain range, 1.5 hours east of the crest of another, at the end of a mile long one lane road with neighbors as armed, or more, than I am, and a family that I think are probably Italian mafia across the river. Whether I stayed to fight or ran for the hills, my choices would be pretty much the same. On the more concealable end (though not all that concealable), a Redhawk .45 that handles both .45 ACP and .45 Colt, and on the other end a 5-1/2" Redhawk or Super Blackhawk. My apocalypse doesn't come with dealing with crowds up close.
If I were in a more urban setting, I'd look at a 4" GP100 or S&W x86.
Tom
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I would probably have to go shopping and get a 10mm 1911. Something good, like an LB, WC or NHC.
That or a G20
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
No one handgun can cover that wide of a range successfully so the best thing to do is chart the bell curve for each person's situation and chose one to cover the most ground in the middle of it.
First thought was a Glock 17 or like Bristoe, a .22, most likely a Ruger target model. Reason would be ammo availability in the Apocalypse since everybody and their brother's dog has one. But we're still 7 days from An Actual Apocalypse and 9mm and .22 is almost nowhere to be found and hasn't been for many moons, because everybody has one.
So I'd take my 6" GP100 half lug and all the .38 and .357 brass plus propulsion components already on the shelf, plus sufficient #2 alloy in the garage.
.38's for target practice and small game hunting. .357's for marauders both two and four legged. Concealed carry might be a problem. Oh well, Idaho is open carry.
Now change the question to a Three Gun Apocalypse, and the answer would be the same revolver, .223 rifle and 12 gauge shotgun.
Gunnery, gunnery, gunnery. Hit the target, all else is twaddle!
If I’m on, or can get to, my land in Colorado when the Visigoths attack, I likely will be sitting on this rock on my land with my M1A or .340 Wby:
What does the exfil route look like in case of retreat?
I'm not retreating. But there are miles of forest behind the rock. I got a cabin about 150yds behind the rock. I've got a water well near, and I'm gonna build, where the Gladiator is.
I just need to build out there. Just got through a nasty, but ultimately morale-inducing, divorce from something close to Satan, which delayed things, and I'm going through a job change in a few days. So, I hope to pull the trigger in a few months.
This is what the elk and mule deer do in the trees just below the rock. They don't even know I'm there.
I just need to build out there. Just got through a nasty, but ultimately morale-inducing, divorce from something close to Satan, which delayed things, and I'm going through a job change in a few days. So, I hope to pull the trigger in a few months.
This is what the elk and mule deer do in the trees just below the rock. They don't even know I'm there.
I'm all in with my P229 in .357 Sig. The weapon and round does almost everything well except for the grizzlies....but if I'm in an urban area and could plug an antifa thug in the leg and make my getaway while the bear takes out the trash.
Pershing 1A. No city too big, no populated area too small. We even get the roaches.
One handgun? I’d pick my well tuned 4” Ruger Redhawk. I can load it down or up and it will handle anything that should be asked of a handgun, and I don’t think I would wear it out.
If we live long enough, we all have regrets. But the ones that nag at us the most are the ones in which we know we had a choice.
I just need to build out there. Just got through a nasty, but ultimately morale-inducing, divorce from something close to Satan, which delayed things, and I'm going through a job change in a few days. So, I hope to pull the trigger in a few months.
This is what the elk and mule deer do in the trees just below the rock. They don't even know I'm there.
Hawk, Hang in there. And enjoy the peace when it comes. It will come.
Slaves get what they need. Free men get what they want.
My M29 4" 44 mag, BUT only of I get unlimited amounts of my choice of powder, primers brass and bullets.
When I was a teen my only 3 handguns for a few years were my Cap and Ball Ruger Old Army, my Colt New Frontier 22 and my 44 mag. I found that by making my own hand loads the 44 mag did it all.
I would load a lead ball with 3 grains of Unique to do what my 22 would do. The day to day load was 8.5 of Unique with a 250 grain SWC and the heavy load was 22 grain of 2400 and the same bullet but cast from Lino-Type. I stopped using the Old Army much after I started using the 44 mag, not because the Cap and ball didn't work well, but the 44 mag did everything cleaner and was easier to reload. When I got out of high school I went into the Marines and later worked for DOID and also did a short time as a Sheriff's deputy. In that time I used various handguns at various times from a 1911 to a S&W M58 41 mag, a S&W M28 357 mag and a S&W M12 38 special. But at no time did I ever find any of them that I could shoot any better then my 4" M29 and many of them not as well.
So coming full circle, if for some reason I was forced to own only 1 handgun again, it would be the one I started with as a teen.
Interesting, given the concealment necessity parameter, that many of you are going with full-sized autos or wheel guns.
For myself, I was thinking of a compromise between the Sig P938, that I comfortably carry all day long, and something like the G40 or DW Bruin that would be my first choice if there was no need to conceal.
I like the G29 because, like my G27, it and two spare mags can fit into a modest-sized camera bag that I can strap to my belt that doesn’t say “Galco” or something on it and doesn’t necessarily look like it’s containing a firearm; doesn’t weigh a lot; and puts out more power than most .357 loads.
Hawk, Hang in there. And enjoy the peace when it comes. It will come.
Thanks for the kind words Dirt. I'm so much more peaceful since I moved away from the Beast about 15 months ago. Got a new fiance who is wonderful and supports everything I do, and vice versa. Talk about day vs. night.
Interesting, given the concealment necessity parameter, that many of you are going with full-sized autos or wheel guns.
For myself, I was thinking of a compromise between the Sig P938, that I comfortably carry all day long, and something like the G40 or DW Bruin that would be my first choice if there was no need to conceal.
I like the G29 because, like my G27, it and two spare mags can fit into a modest-sized camera bag that I can strap to my belt that doesn’t say “Galco” or something on it and doesn’t necessarily look like it’s containing a firearm; doesn’t weigh a lot; and puts out more power than most .357 loads.
It's just a Lowepro I found at the local WM in the electronics section. I keep the top partially unzipped, which still conceals the gun, but allows quick access.
I have a slightly smaller one that my G27 fits into, but it's too small for the G29.
Hawk, Hang in there. And enjoy the peace when it comes. It will come.
Thanks for the kind words Dirt. I'm so much more peaceful since I moved away from the Beast about 15 months ago. Got a new fiance who is wonderful and supports everything I do, and vice versa. Talk about day vs. night.
Hawk, Hang in there. And enjoy the peace when it comes. It will come.
Thanks for the kind words Dirt. I'm so much more peaceful since I moved away from the Beast about 15 months ago. Got a new fiance who is wonderful and supports everything I do, and vice versa. Talk about day vs. night.
Good for you, brother. Glad for you.
Slaves get what they need. Free men get what they want.
I just need to build out there. Just got through a nasty, but ultimately morale-inducing, divorce from something close to Satan, which delayed things, and I'm going through a job change in a few days. So, I hope to pull the trigger in a few months.
I hope you post about the process of building out there. It sounds like a great adventure you're on!
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You can tell what section of the country people live in, by their responses. Those in urban, more settled areas worry more about a gun for two legged predators while those near wilderness worry about four legged ones.
I hope you post about the process of building out there. It sounds like a great adventure you're on!
I'm going to go modular. I had two builders working on the plans, but I have hit the pause button until I get more established at the new firm. I'm basically going to go without income for two months once I switch over because I only get paid what is collected from the clients. So, there will be about a 2-month lag. I would have left already, but I'm trying to squeeze some more $$ out of my current firm first.
It's going to look something like this:
But it will have a lower level walkout with 10ft ceilings that will match the style of the upper in front, which about 2/3 will be an exceedingly-large garage/workshop in back, and 1/3 will be a large rec room to put the moose, bear, and pool table, also with a small BR, kitchenette, and bath for in-laws and the like. Overall, it will be about 2,400 sf, not counting the garage.
Was thinking about the magazine thing for the P220. So I bought magazines like I did for the 1911. A few. Be Well, RZ.
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My M29 3" 44 mag, BUT only of I get unlimited amounts of my choice of powder, primers brass and bullets.
When I was a teen my only 3 handguns for a few years were my Cap and Ball Ruger Old Army, my Colt New Frontier 22 and my 44 mag. I found that by making my own hand loads the 44 mag did it all.
I would load a lead ball with 3 grains of Unique to do what my 22 would do. The day to day load was 8.5 of Unique with a 250 grain SWC and the heavy load was 22 grain of 2400 and the same bullet but cast from Lino-Type. I stopped using the Old Army much after I started using the 44 mag, not because the Cap and ball didn't work well, but the 44 mag did everything cleaner and was easier to reload. When I got out of high school I went into the Marines and later worked for DOID and also did a short time as a Sheriff's deputy. In that time I used various handguns at various times from a 1911 to a S&W M58 41 mag, a S&W M28 357 mag and a S&W M12 38 special. But at no time did I ever find any of them that I could shoot any better then my 4" M29 and many of them not as well.
So coming full circle, if for some reason I was forced to own only 1 handgun again, it would be the one I started with as a teen.
A 4" 44 magnum and a full reloading set-up.
Nailed it. The first line disclaimer makes it happen, but I get it. Loaded to it's full potential the 44m should handle anything a handgun could. The mentioned round ball load taxes powder & lead supplies to the tune of a 32 H&R mag. Smaller calibers help with the shooters ability to carry more ammo, that's about it. Nothing smaller than the 44M can equal it otherwise. Reloading, the beauty here.
I bought a 215 grain mold last year just to save lead over my 260K while plinking. Thinking about the above, my new mold should have dropped a lighter bullet than that.
Come to think of it though, I did mention a 45 Colt BH with an ACP cylinder. I've said I should put some non flammable grips on mine as it could be a pistol to ride into Hell with.
I think I'd go with a browning hi power, that or my glock 20.
Hard to argue with the Glock 20. Mine has served me well. I would prefer one of my N frames in a caliber that starts with 4, but truth be told, the Glock 20 has spent much time on my belt in situations where I didn't want the N frames to get too dirty or fouled up, but still wanted a handgun I could reach out and touch something at 100 yards or so.
I think I'd go with a browning hi power, that or my glock 20.
Hard to argue with the Glock 20. Mine has served me well. I would prefer one of my N frames in a caliber that starts with 4, but truth be told, the Glock 20 has spent much time on my belt in situations where I didn't want the N frames to get too dirty or fouled up, but still wanted a handgun I could reach out and touch something at 100 yards or so.
The G20 makes sense, especially when people are routinely shooting 40 S&W though them unmodified and getting excellent reliability.
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I think I'd go with a browning hi power, that or my glock 20.
Hard to argue with the Glock 20. Mine has served me well. I would prefer one of my N frames in a caliber that starts with 4, but truth be told, the Glock 20 has spent much time on my belt in situations where I didn't want the N frames to get too dirty or fouled up, but still wanted a handgun I could reach out and touch something at 100 yards or so.
The G20 makes sense, especially when people are routinely shooting 40 S&W though them unmodified and getting excellent reliability.
I've got a G20, and have actually tried the trick of shooting .40 S&W through it. Worked fine, but to save possible extra wear and tear on the extractor, I purchased a Lone Wolf .40 S&W barrel for it, which also works perfectly.
I think I'd go with a browning hi power, that or my glock 20.
Hard to argue with the Glock 20. Mine has served me well. I would prefer one of my N frames in a caliber that starts with 4, but truth be told, the Glock 20 has spent much time on my belt in situations where I didn't want the N frames to get too dirty or fouled up, but still wanted a handgun I could reach out and touch something at 100 yards or so.
The G20 makes sense, especially when people are routinely shooting 40 S&W though them unmodified and getting excellent reliability.
I've got a G20, and have actually tried the trick of shooting .40 S&W through it. Worked fine, but to save possible extra wear and tear on the extractor, I purchased a Lone Wolf .40 S&W barrel for it, which also works perfectly.
Just a couple of weeks ago I tried my Glock 20 with a couple of mags of .40’s. Function was perfect, accuracy not the best. I’ve considered getting a.40 barrel for it, just because.
Just a couple of weeks ago I tried my Glock 20 with a couple of mags of .40’s. Function was perfect, accuracy not the best. I’ve considered getting a.40 barrel for it, just because.
Good idea to add additional versatility, especially during times of ammo shortages.
Just a couple of weeks ago I tried my Glock 20 with a couple of mags of .40’s. Function was perfect, accuracy not the best. I’ve considered getting a.40 barrel for it, just because.
Good idea to add additional versatility, especially during times of ammo shortages.
FYI- I've looked around locally A LOT in the shops that sell ammo at what could be called currently a "reasonable" price.
By far, .40 is the most available at a "reasonable" price and I am told by a couple shop owners it is the only standard ammo cartridge not flying off the shelves.
So Hawkeye, long story short, your logic is sound.
Slaves get what they need. Free men get what they want.
I've always preferred the 10 over the 40. I owned a bunch of 10mm handguns back in ye olden days but got away from it, trying to consolidate into more common calibers. The 40 always left me cold. Then one of the shortages hit during the Obama era a few years back and I noticed that 40 always seemed available when 45 auto and 9mm was totally gone. So I bought my first 40 S&W handgun. I could do without it, but it's a good caliber and no reason to not have one. FWIW though, I haven't seen 40 around during this shortage, like I did during that one.
I'm not skeered of grizzlies and I'm not gonna live where they're a thing. Not skeered of zombies either...
I am somewhat unsettled by those who wanna consider only one handgun. I propose they be kneecapped with a .22 short.
I don't guess that i own a handgun that I would fear as my only one. (Jumping back in here to reconsider. I do own a S&W Bodyguard .380 and it's not for the one gun guy...) They are all reliable and accurate. What I use the most, by far, is the small selection of .22s that I have here. Can't imagine being without one.
But then, I've never really considered myself to be all that much of a handgunner. Got a few and enjoy them all. They seem to multiply in the safe... For years I was happy with a Philippine RIA 1911 as my only .45. Then I acquired the P320 compact .45. Good thing guns in the safe don't get jealous...
Went from the early 1980s until 2018 without a 9mm in my hands. Now I've got two, and maybe plans for another.
I've actually got a Model 66 2 1/2" stashed as a SHTF gun. I get it out a couple of times a year to fondle and shoot it. But lately I've come to consider the .22 LCR that I carry around the place as a suitable SHTF gun. And am considering a .38 LCR as well.
You wanna cut me down to only one, you better get an early start. Bring a lunch, and a hall monitor. Known to cheat here...
This is my choice. I did the G20 thing for years until this came out. I had no complaints regarding the functioning of the G20, I just like everything about the XDm more.
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This is my choice. I did the G20 thing for years until this came out. I had no complaints regarding the functioning of the G20, I just like everything about the XDm more.
The XDs are great guns. My 10mms are all Glocks and a DW Bruin. The reason is that the XDs (I have two) seem to produce more recoil than the Glocks, which doesn't matter for most cartridges, but with the 10mm, I like to moderate it. I'm basing my comments on 40 S&W Glocks and XDs. Have you compared how the recoil feels between the G20 and the XD10?
I have MH and any difference is really negligible to me. Even though I have almost two decades more experience and use with my G20, the XDm just "fits" me better. It even fits me better than my SF G20 and G29.
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I have MH and any difference is really negligible to me. Even though I have almost two decades more experience and use with my G20, the XDm just "fits" me better. It even fits me better than my SF G20 and G29.
Makes sense. I like the grip angle on, and feel of, the XDs, and they are one of the easiest semis I have to shoot well.
Haven't shot the XD10. But my little G27 has far less felt recoil than the 5" bbl XD40 Tactical with a heavy tungsten guide rod with the same loads. I think it is because of (1) the lower moment arm between the top of the grip and the center bore; and (2) the dual recoil springs that many Glocks have. My HKs also have that. Basically, instead of trying to match the spring to the load, the dual spring systems have a modest spring in action until the case ejects, and then a stronger spring kicks in; so, you never have the slide smacking against the receiver--it's more of a push than a smack. But those with knowledge, please correct me if I'm incorrect.
Have to be my Dan Wesson 1911 10mm, stainless, great night sights, more accurate than i'll ever be, extremely reliable, not a single hiccup in over 5 years since bought new, holds 11 all up, four spare 10 round Tripp mags will ride comfortably in a hip pocket, 200gr XTP's at 1200+ for general work, 140gr Lehigh Penetrators at 1600 for anything else.
This is my choice. I did the G20 thing for years until this came out. I had no complaints regarding the functioning of the G20, I just like everything about the XDm more.
The XDs are great guns. My 10mms are all Glocks and a DW Bruin. The reason is that the XDs (I have two) seem to produce more recoil than the Glocks, which doesn't matter for most cartridges, but with the 10mm, I like to moderate it. I'm basing my comments on 40 S&W Glocks and XDs. Have you compared how the recoil feels between the G20 and the XD10?
Not to butt in, but I had a G22 and G35 and the G22 was noticeably snappier than my XDM40. The G35 was around the same. Alas, I sent the glocks packing and hung on to my XDM. It is every bit as accurate (had to buy a match grade barrel for the G35, so it would keep up with the XDM) and holds 16 in the magazine.
Its one of my favorites, but if I had to choose just one pistol, it would probably be my CZ P09... 19+1 and gilt edged accuracy. 9mm is good enough for OP's said criteria...
Originally Posted by raybass
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.
Originally Posted by Pharmseller
You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole.
I tote a smith 360 in my pocket everyday. I enjoy shooting my blackhawk 44 and 45 prob the most. But if i had to pick one pistol to feed myself and if i had to shoot someone with it I honestly think id tote my 4” buckmark. Could tote alot of rounds and 10 +1 stingers or something similar would change a bad guys mind real quick.
According to Davis, he thought Python internals were weak for many rounds of shooting. Problems with timing ,etc. These were built for PPC competition shoots, lotsa rounds fired. Dont know if there's truth to it or not. I have had this revolver for 30 plus years, and it gets shot alot, no problems. I have had a few Pythons, didnt shoot them much, too much profit to be made !
According to Davis, he thought Python internals were weak for many rounds of shooting. Problems with timing ,etc. These were built for PPC competition shoots, lotsa rounds fired. Dont know if there's truth to it or not. I have had this revolver for 30 plus years, and it gets shot alot, no problems. I have had a few Pythons, didnt shoot them much, too much profit to be made !
Yep, when I could get $1,800.00 for my Python, I couldn't resist the temptation to sell it. I kept my Colt Model .357, though, which was the precursor to the Python, and made to exactly the same level of refinement. Just no vented rib or full underlug.
Yep, when I could get $1,800.00 for my Python, I couldn't resist the temptation to sell it. I kept my Colt Model .357, though, which was the precursor to the Python, and made to exactly the same level of refinement. Just no vented rib or full underlug.
Also as I recall. Colt was the first to come out with the full underlug barrel. Some enterprising individuals made up the cougers and also what they called smolts or smith and colt combos. Soon the manufacturers came on board and introduced the L frame, the gp100 and other fully lugged barrels. All history now and nobody uses these obsolete old wheel guns. 🙄
Its not always easy to do the right thing, But it is always the right thing to do.
Yeah, thats a good looking revolver. Predecessor to the Trooper ??
The Model 357 was the Cadillac Colt .357 Magnum revolver till they came out with the Python. Built to the same standard. Same gun, apart from the barrel contour.
Yeah, thats a good looking revolver. Predecessor to the Trooper ??
Yes. IIRC, Colt came out with the .357 Mag. after Smith and Wesson introduced it in their "Registered Magnum" which later became the model 27. Colt's first 357's were the New Service and SAA. The 357 came out in a "41 frame" and evolved into the Trooper and MkII Trooper. The 357, Trooper and Trooper MkII are all essentially the same frame and lockwork as the Python. MkIII and later Troopers have a re-designed lockwork similar to the King Cobra and new Python revolvers.
"While the Trooper was to be a lower cost model, the new 357 was to be Colt's premium model holster revolver with a more carefully fitted and tuned action and a better external finish." - Colt Forum
According to Davis, he thought Python internals were weak for many rounds of shooting. Problems with timing ,etc. These were built for PPC competition shoots, lotsa rounds fired. Dont know if there's truth to it or not. I have had this revolver for 30 plus years, and it gets shot alot, no problems. I have had a few Pythons, didnt shoot them much, too much profit to be made !
Yep, when I could get $1,800.00 for my Python, I couldn't resist the temptation to sell it. I kept my Colt Model .357, though, which was the precursor to the Python, and made to exactly the same level of refinement. Just no vented rib or full underlug.
I have the exact revolver with the same grips, sanded the thumb hump off the left side so my speedloaders would work efficiently, great guns, I love mine, loads with 125gr XTP's and Barnes HP's as well as a super pentrator buzzsaw load with 140gr Barnes' at 1450 fps.
I have the exact revolver with the same grips, sanded the thumb hump off the left side so my speedloaders would work efficiently, great guns, I love mine, loads with 125gr XTP's and Barnes HP's as well as a super pentrator buzzsaw load with 140gr Barnes' at 1450 fps.
I have a few of the same choices as have been mentioned here, several in fact. But I have in bound, a Smith & Wesson model 25-7 that may become my “1”. For those not familiar, that is an N frame, 5” barreled, non fluted cylinder 6 shot revolver in 45 Colt. I believe it will cover a lot of issues..
Its not always easy to do the right thing, But it is always the right thing to do.
According to Davis, he thought Python internals were weak for many rounds of shooting. Problems with timing ,etc. These were built for PPC competition shoots, lotsa rounds fired. Dont know if there's truth to it or not. I have had this revolver for 30 plus years, and it gets shot alot, no problems. I have had a few Pythons, didnt shoot them much, too much profit to be made !
Yep, when I could get $1,800.00 for my Python, I couldn't resist the temptation to sell it. I kept my Colt Model .357, though, which was the precursor to the Python, and made to exactly the same level of refinement. Just no vented rib or full underlug.
I have the exact revolver with the same grips, sanded the thumb hump off the left side so my speedloaders would work efficiently, great guns, I love mine, loads with 125gr XTP's and Barnes HP's as well as a super pentrator buzzsaw load with 140gr Barnes' at 1450 fps.
My favorite old uncle, now deceased, had a nice 6" Colt 357 with the full checkered target grip. It had a sweet SA trigger and hot as well as any 357 revolver I ever picked up.
I've always had a soft spot for the Lawman MKIII and have found them to be excellent shooters as well.
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Dang right Hawk and Sarge, and not to deflect much, but my old Colt Trooper as well as a S&W pre-27 357 mag and 1955 model S&W 45 ACP, those triggers are so nice, break like frozen thin glass, and the revolvers feel so well made, a no handgun shooting heretic like me doesn't even deserve to own them. they really built some nice handguns back in the day, sadly those old Craftsmen must be long gone and dead by now.
Dang right Hawk and Sarge, and not to deflect much, but my old Colt Trooper as well as a S&W pre-27 357 mag and 1955 model S&W 45 ACP, those triggers are so nice, break like frozen thin glass, and the revolvers feel so well made, a no handgun shooting heretic like me doesn't even deserve to own them. they really built some nice handguns back in the day, sadly those old Craftsmen must be long gone and dead by now.
Yes, that is a shame. Those skills are largely gone. Every part is made by machines now, ready for assembly by low skill labor.
Dang right Hawk and Sarge, and not to deflect much, but my old Colt Trooper as well as a S&W pre-27 357 mag and 1955 model S&W 45 ACP, those triggers are so nice, break like frozen thin glass, and the revolvers feel so well made, a no handgun shooting heretic like me doesn't even deserve to own them. they really built some nice handguns back in the day, sadly those old Craftsmen must be long gone and dead by now.
Yes, that is a shame. Those skills are largely gone. Every part is made by machines now, ready for assembly by low skill labor.
Indeed a shame Sir, not to ramble, but know personally a great many Craftsmen that are leaving this spinning rock we're stuck too, their knowledge and talent is beyond genius, the shlt I see coming up from the low end is more than disappointing, it aint going to fly for us as a nation, too much good leaving, being replaced with pure spoiled entitlement shlt!
Dang right Hawk and Sarge, and not to deflect much, but my old Colt Trooper as well as a S&W pre-27 357 mag and 1955 model S&W 45 ACP, those triggers are so nice, break like frozen thin glass, and the revolvers feel so well made, a no handgun shooting heretic like me doesn't even deserve to own them. they really built some nice handguns back in the day, sadly those old Craftsmen must be long gone and dead by now.
This '72 Colt Trooper MKIII I picked up a couple months ago is dry firing like a real sweetheart now that I got the new Wolff spring kit in it. Been practicing with spent brass with spent primers in front of the tv. Haven't had it to the range with live ammo yet, but the trigger is 1000% better now than it was when I got it.
Slaves get what they need. Free men get what they want.
A cop I worked with has a 4" original King Cobra which I have shot some. Good trigger, easy to shoot well DA and handled Magnum loads comfortably. I nearly had it pried loose from him but he came to his senses and ruined my plan.
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Direct Impingement is the Fart Joke of military rifle operating systems. ⓒ
I had a 4 inch that I carried once in awhile, in an Uncle Mikes rig.
But when we are in our 20’s we don’t think of companies stopping production and hence I traded it for something I don’t even have anymore. The one I have now is a Six inch.
That's a neat old gun, Sarge. This one of mine will eventually be going to my nephew to help him along with his legacy. The kid's got his head screwed on right, works his ass off, and doesn't like lazy ass commies. I'll of course need to shoot it a bit and wring any problems out before I pass it along.
Have to stop in on you and gunner next time across the country. Be well!
Slaves get what they need. Free men get what they want.
I love the 23 (especially the Gen 2) but the grip is a tad short for me. My hands aren't that big; an XL glove is just snug. But I've beaten them up pretty good over the years and they're starting to stiffen up in cold weather. The longer grip works better for me.
The pictured 22 has been undercut a little, had the underside of the trigger guard relieved and the interior opened up to make it friendlier for use with light gloves. I notice that undercutting/relieving the finger bump makes this Glock almost point like a normal pistol.
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My favorite. FNH Hipower 40 SW converted to 9mm for a 3 lug lockup. Barrel is a barsto match, Novak sights, stippled frame, no bite hammer/sear and Spegel grips. All work done by Novak's.Twin is on the way, carried daily stateside.... 15 rds of +P+ love in each magazine.
When people face the possibility of freezing or starving there is little chance they are going to listen to unfounded claims of climate doomsday from a bunch of ultra-rich yacht sailing private jet-setting carbon-spewing hypocrite elites
My favorite. FNH Hipower 40 SW converted to 9mm for a 3 lug lockup. Barrel is a barsto match, Novak sights, stippled frame, no bite hammer/sear and Spegel grips. All work done by Novak's.Twin is on the way, carried daily stateside.... 15 rds of love in each magazine.
I sold all of the very last run of those .40 Highpowers to Mr Novak back when I was in the Wholesale Firearms Industry. Sure wished I had kept one of them for myself. 😢
"Allways speak the truth and you will never have to remember what you said before..." Sam Houston Texans, "We say Grace, We Say Mam, If You Don't Like it, We Don't Give a Damn!"
My favorite. FNH Hipower 40 SW converted to 9mm for a 3 lug lockup. Barrel is a barsto match, Novak sights, stippled frame, no bite hammer/sear and Spegel grips. All work done by Novak's.Twin is on the way, carried daily stateside.... 15 rds of love in each magazine.
I sold all of the very last run of those .40 Highpowers to Mr Novak back when I was in the Wholesale Firearms Industry. Sure wished I had kept one of them for myself. 😢
Bought a couple of them years ago for like 750.00 each and felt like I got raped... Saw a Hungarian FEG in .40 go for 1100.00 a couple days ago on GB... Don't feel so bad now.
When people face the possibility of freezing or starving there is little chance they are going to listen to unfounded claims of climate doomsday from a bunch of ultra-rich yacht sailing private jet-setting carbon-spewing hypocrite elites
That’d be my first choice too. Love my Glock 32 in 357 Sig!!!
My second choice would be my Glock 20 in 10mm
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"Allways speak the truth and you will never have to remember what you said before..." Sam Houston Texans, "We say Grace, We Say Mam, If You Don't Like it, We Don't Give a Damn!"
My favorite. FNH Hipower 40 SW converted to 9mm for a 3 lug lockup. Barrel is a barsto match, Novak sights, stippled frame, no bite hammer/sear and Spegel grips. All work done by Novak's.Twin is on the way, carried daily stateside.... 15 rds of love in each magazine.
I sold all of the very last run of those .40 Highpowers to Mr Novak back when I was in the Wholesale Firearms Industry. Sure wished I had kept one of them for myself. 😢
Bought a couple of them years ago for like 750.00 each and felt like I got raped... Saw a Hungarian FEG in .40 go for 1100.00 a couple days ago on GB... Don't feel so bad now.
Damn! That’s crazy. I think I sold Mr Novak all those HiPower .40’s for around $400 each, if I recall correctly.
Last edited by chlinstructor; 02/14/21.
"Allways speak the truth and you will never have to remember what you said before..." Sam Houston Texans, "We say Grace, We Say Mam, If You Don't Like it, We Don't Give a Damn!"
My favorite. FNH Hipower 40 SW converted to 9mm for a 3 lug lockup. Barrel is a barsto match, Novak sights, stippled frame, no bite hammer/sear and Spegel grips. All work done by Novak's.Twin is on the way, carried daily stateside.... 15 rds of +P+ love in each magazine.
My favorite. FNH Hipower 40 SW converted to 9mm for a 3 lug lockup. Barrel is a barsto match, Novak sights, stippled frame, no bite hammer/sear and Spegel grips. All work done by Novak's.Twin is on the way, carried daily stateside.... 15 rds of +P+ love in each magazine.
Nice!
Thank you sir.
When people face the possibility of freezing or starving there is little chance they are going to listen to unfounded claims of climate doomsday from a bunch of ultra-rich yacht sailing private jet-setting carbon-spewing hypocrite elites
Carried this one for many a mile and year. Replaced the sights twice, put in a 3.5 lb connector and an extended slidelock. Shot in many matches and lots of target practice.
When people face the possibility of freezing or starving there is little chance they are going to listen to unfounded claims of climate doomsday from a bunch of ultra-rich yacht sailing private jet-setting carbon-spewing hypocrite elites
Thanks. Basic P30L. No upgrades. Lugged it around all day w spare mag. Its usable. Got a good deal on it used like new. Had 3 new mags in wrappers plus 5 others. All 15 rounders.
Wanted P30LS to carry cocked and locked. But if i have time I can cock it for a SA longer distance shot.
Proly swap it to adj sights. That about it. Actually works decent the way it is.
This USPc in .40 S&W fits me and my needs and is extremely accurate, I'll give it a few more years before I decide if it stays. The El Paso Saddlery Crosshair holster is a joy to wear:
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My favorite. FNH Hipower 40 SW converted to 9mm for a 3 lug lockup. Barrel is a barsto match, Novak sights, stippled frame, no bite hammer/sear and Spegel grips. All work done by Novak's.Twin is on the way, carried daily stateside.... 15 rds of +P+ love in each magazine.
rgr, that's a beauty. IMHO, that is the essence of what that gun should be.
Slaves get what they need. Free men get what they want.
But come down to it all of my centerfires are likely going to the back of the table and only the rimfires will receive true consideration.
I like the look and the potential of the centerfire handguns. Day to day the rimfires are what get the utility trigger time. They get it done, for me.
If picking a rimfire handgun as an only, I'm gonna go with a revolver. The choice for me will be between an original S&W 43 or the recently purchased LCR .22
The Model 43 has a slight edge in accuracy with certain loads. Primarily the Winchester SuperX HP, of which I have a decent supply
The LCR shoots really well with almost anything and carries well in a pocket. It's shining moment for accuracy, so far, was with Stingers, and I kinda like that.
Weights are close enough that it isn't a factor...
Someone my have said this already but I didn't see it...... I'd want the most common defensive round possible to make it easier to find ammo.
I'll bend the rules a little and go with a G23. Tagging along with an extra 9mm conversion barrel/mags. Might as well throw in a 357 sig barrel too. Being able to gather and use two of the most common auto handgun rounds would be useful. The G19/23 size gives the ability to use the mags for both of those as well as the larger 9mm/40 mags. The G26/27 opens that up to the smaller mags as well if someone went that route. Except for 22 rf I don't think there's a better route to go with consideration to finding ammo.
A .357 revolver gives that versatility with the 38's. Pair a .357 revolver with the above and it's lots of options on finding ammo.
The last time I only had one handgun it was a 4-5/8" barreled Ruger single six .32 mag. It's job was to keep the bastards off of me long enough to get to my grandpa's old falling axe ... 40+ inch handle, 10" of cutting edge, around 8 pounds. Time t' get medieval leaving arms, legs, and heads on the floor.
If I really had to have only one handgun, of those I own today it'd be my 4-5/8" barreled super blackhawk. It might not be the most practical for all situations but it is a solid choice for where I live, for what I do. I've lived with this same gun for 12-15 years and it fits me. It does what it is supposed to do when it is supposed to do it, by instinct as much as deliberate thought, and that is hard to argue with. It is .. me. Me-esque, me-ish, you get the idea. I have no problem with someone else choosing something different and I probably would, too, if I lived somewhere else.
Tom
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I could be happy with this one. BHP cast-frame Israeli MK 3 (no firing pin safety) that has been cerakoted. Nice 5 lb trigger job by Don Williams. Sights are stock that have been modified to my specs by Justin McMillan, former AMU master gunsmith. Grips are Uncle Mike's. If I could have two, it'd be a K22 S&W from the Performance Center (like the one below). Bob
I could be happy with this one. BHP cast-frame Israeli MK 3 (no firing pin safety) that has been cerakoted. Nice 5 lb trigger job by Don Williams. Sights are stock that have been modified to my specs by Justin McMillan, former AMU master gunsmith. Grips are Uncle Mike's. If I could have two, it'd be a K22 S&W from the Performance Center (like the one below). Bob
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