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Re: Best Elk Cartridge in the World?? [Re: HuntnShoot] #15623957 01/07/21
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Originally Posted by HuntnShoot
Is there really an elk that you guys would shoot with a 300WM that you'd not shoot at with a 30-06?


Yes = depends on the range.


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Re: Best Elk Cartridge in the World?? [Re: SLM] #15624764 01/07/21
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I have never been able to get all the way through one of your posts.

Ever.



I read one. Once.



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Re: Best Elk Cartridge in the World?? [Re: memtb] #15650423 01/13/21
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Originally Posted by memtb
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Pass on marginal shots regardless of the weapon.




Easily stated by someone that lives in elk country. For those that have to pay large sums of money to hunt an elk, and may have limited time to make an elk hunt, perhaps only once in a lifetime ......should not be restricted to “Pass on marginal shots regardless of the weapon”! And, I’m not referring to a shot of low percentage chance of hitting the necessary bullet impact location. I’m referring to using a cartridge that will drive a bullet through the vitals .....now matter the entry angle!

A proper cartridge (somewhat larger caliber), using a bullet proven to be accurate, retain a high percentage of it’s weight should be a a primary consideration for those folks, as described above! memtb


Easily stated by me regardless of where I live.....re read my post, I've been in on 200+ elk kills, and many, many of them were non residents I was guiding.


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Re: Best Elk Cartridge in the World?? [Re: scenarshooter] #15651588 01/13/21
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Pass on marginal shots regardless of the weapon.




Easily stated by someone that lives in elk country. For those that have to pay large sums of money to hunt an elk, and may have limited time to make an elk hunt, perhaps only once in a lifetime ......should not be restricted to “Pass on marginal shots regardless of the weapon”! And, I’m not referring to a shot of low percentage chance of hitting the necessary bullet impact location. I’m referring to using a cartridge that will drive a bullet through the vitals .....now matter the entry angle!

A proper cartridge (somewhat larger caliber), using a bullet proven to be accurate, retain a high percentage of it’s weight should be a a primary consideration for those folks, as described above! memtb


Easily stated by me regardless of where I live.....re read my post, I've been in on 200+ elk kills, and many, many of them were non residents I was guiding.



I will agree that many cannot handle the recoil some of the good elk cartridges..including something as light as a 30-06. There are many people that have no business hunting elk....period, for a myriad of reasons!

And it’s “ no hair off of your arse” if the client fails to kill his/her elk........it’s the non - resident client that spent thousands of $ and may potentially never have enough points to elk hunt again. As stated before......those folks should have the most cartridge that they are proficient with! It’s the hunter’s decision what that threshold is......not some outfitter/guide that doesn’t personally know the client!

We shall continue to disagree! memtb


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Re: Best Elk Cartridge in the World?? [Re: memtb] #15651961 01/13/21
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Originally Posted by memtb
I will agree that many cannot handle the recoil some of the good elk cartridges..including something as light as a 30-06. There are many people that have no business hunting elk....period, for a myriad of reasons!

And it’s “ no hair off of your arse” if the client fails to kill his/her elk........it’s the non - resident client that spent thousands of $ and may potentially never have enough points to elk hunt again. As stated before......those folks should have the most cartridge that they are proficient with! It’s the hunter’s decision what that threshold is......not some outfitter/guide that doesn’t personally know the client!

We shall continue to disagree! memtb


I agree with your approach memtb. Before my first AK bear hunt, I bought and shot about 200 rounds (about $1K) through my .375 Wby and got really good with it. I'm glad my guide didn't try to talk me out of it or using his .338 instead once I got there. Instead, on the first night at the first camp, he asked me to pick up my rifle. I did. Then, he asked me promptly to shoot the base of a distinctive reed about 100 yds away in the river. I shouldered it and did just that (or close enough that it disappeared into the exploding water). He said something to the effect of: "Okay, you're not BS-ing." The next morning I put a 300gr NP into the place I was aiming on a 9'2" boar 97 yds away, went through and blew up both lungs, and he died in about a second. .

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Re: Best Elk Cartridge in the World?? [Re: MarineHawk] #15652639 01/13/21
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MarineHawk, 👍! The only time that a hunter is “over gunned”.... is when he/she is not proficient or comfortable with their chosen hunting rifle! In spite of the apparent consensus......a larger, more powerful cartridge/bullet when properly placed will kill as good as the lower horsepower models.

Though, you can’t “puff-out” your chest and claim your superior skills by taking an animal with the latest, fashion statement, micro whiz-bang cartridge! 😉 memtb


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Re: Best Elk Cartridge in the World?? [Re: memtb] #15652848 01/13/21
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Originally Posted by memtb

MarineHawk, 👍! The only time that a hunter is “over gunned”.... is when he/she is not proficient or comfortable with their chosen hunting rifle! In spite of the apparent consensus......a larger, more powerful cartridge/bullet when properly placed will kill as good as the lower horsepower models.

Though, you can’t “puff-out” your chest and claim your superior skills by taking an animal with the latest, fashion statement, micro whiz-bang cartridge! 😉 memtb

LOL. To the contrary, you can "puff out" your chest because you are manly enough to shoot a big, booming magnum. wink

Re: Best Elk Cartridge in the World?? [Re: JohnBurns] #15653268 01/13/21
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What’s your issue? I don’t ever criticize anyone who does something that works. You do, because it’s something different than what you prefer. I can effectively use a certain round that I prefer, so I use it. You don’t like it because you prefer something else. And you falsely assume non one effectively can shoot anything bigger than a 7mm-08. It’s not true.

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Oh I don’t think Jordan cares, much the same as you MH. It’s mostly just the “it needs to be THIS big” or you’re leaving something on the table.

Shooting is fun, big, medium, small, etc. as long as we all agree that rifles and most cartridges work pretty well were all on the same page.

I always think to myself if I hunted with XXX cartridge if I’d do anything different and like many others I’d probably fill the coolers the same way.

It’s kinda funny, but we’re just outta hunting season right now for big game. If this all keeps up it’ll be a long year whistle


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Re: Best Elk Cartridge in the World?? [Re: JohnBurns] #15653404 01/13/21
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Elks threads are always good entertainment.

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Originally Posted by SLM
Elks threads are always good entertainment.


That’s a fact!


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Re: Best Elk Cartridge in the World?? [Re: JohnBurns] #15653580 01/13/21
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Oh man that is a nice picture with that bear! I hope it was a nice clean kill.

Re: Best Elk Cartridge in the World?? [Re: MarineHawk] #15653846 01/13/21
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Originally Posted by MarineHawk
What’s your issue? I don’t ever criticize anyone who does something that works. You do, because it’s something different than what you prefer. I can effectively use a certain round that I prefer, so I use it. You don’t like it because you prefer something else. And you falsely assume non one effectively can shoot anything bigger than a 7mm-08. It’s not true.

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That wasn’t directed at you at all, MH. It was just me funning with memtb to show the other side of the coin. The magnum guys criticize the guys that shoot smaller rounds, calling them stunt shooters, micro whiz-bang, etc, and the guys that prefer smaller rounds often criticize the magnum shooters by saying they’re compensating for something and need to feel like macho men, etc. Just a quirky dichotomy, is all. FYI, I own and enjoy both large and small rifles. wink I just know that big rifles aren’t necessary to put critters in the dirt ASAP, that’s all. Doesn’t mean they’re not fun to shoot.

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Re: Best Elk Cartridge in the World?? [Re: Esteban325] #15653970 01/14/21
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Originally Posted by Esteban325
Oh man that is a nice picture with that bear! I hope it was a nice clean kill.


Thanks E. When hit about 20 feet from that spot (you could see the huge hind paw/claw marks), he launched forward and spun to his right to bite what he thought was biting him; fell down; and never moved after about a second. When skinning him, I dug as far as I could reasonably, and that 300gr NP had turned a huge cavity into jelly all through his body.

Later, at the house, the boys continued to keep him at bay:

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Re: Best Elk Cartridge in the World?? [Re: Jordan Smith] #15653975 01/14/21
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What’s your issue? I don’t ever criticize anyone who does something that works. You do, because it’s something different than what you prefer. I can effectively use a certain round that I prefer, so I use it. You don’t like it because you prefer something else. And you falsely assume non one effectively can shoot anything bigger than a 7mm-08. It’s not true.

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That wasn’t directed at you at all, MH. It was just me funning with memtb to show the other side of the coin. The magnum guys criticize the guys that shoot smaller rounds, calling them stunt shooters, micro whiz-bang, etc, and the guys that prefer smaller rounds often criticize the magnum shooters by saying they’re compensating for something and need to feel like macho men, etc. Just a quirky dichotomy, is all. FYI, I own and enjoy both large and small rifles. wink I just know that big rifles aren’t necessary to put critters in the dirt ASAP, that’s all. Doesn’t mean they’re not fun to shoot.


Thanks for the comment JD. It's just that I have never complained or criticized what anyone else uses--ever. Yet, I've been told countless times that what I'm doing is just going to make me flinch in the field, which just isn't true. It's just my own anecdotal perspective. I wouldn't hesitate to use a .243 on something the size of an elk if that's what I had, but I might be a little more picky about the shot that I took. I generally assume that everyone else knows what they're doing and has enough competence with what they have. It's not always true, but I don't think it's as commonly the result of them going in over-gunned as many here often suggest. As noted in the thread below, I'm working with my new 6.5-300 to get it ready for Colorado next October. So, I'm not always thinking about bigger bullets.

Re: Best Elk Cartridge in the World?? [Re: memtb] #15654376 01/14/21
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Pass on marginal shots regardless of the weapon.




Easily stated by someone that lives in elk country. For those that have to pay large sums of money to hunt an elk, and may have limited time to make an elk hunt, perhaps only once in a lifetime ......should not be restricted to “Pass on marginal shots regardless of the weapon”! And, I’m not referring to a shot of low percentage chance of hitting the necessary bullet impact location. I’m referring to using a cartridge that will drive a bullet through the vitals .....now matter the entry angle!

A proper cartridge (somewhat larger caliber), using a bullet proven to be accurate, retain a high percentage of it’s weight should be a a primary consideration for those folks, as described above! memtb


Easily stated by me regardless of where I live.....re read my post, I've been in on 200+ elk kills, and many, many of them were non residents I was guiding.



I will agree that many cannot handle the recoil some of the good elk cartridges..including something as light as a 30-06. There are many people that have no business hunting elk....period, for a myriad of reasons!

And it’s “ no hair off of your arse” if the client fails to kill his/her elk........it’s the non - resident client that spent thousands of $ and may potentially never have enough points to elk hunt again. As stated before......those folks should have the most cartridge that they are proficient with! It’s the hunter’s decision what that threshold is......not some outfitter/guide that doesn’t personally know the client!

We shall continue to disagree! memtb


This exchange again remakes my point; "everyone is entitled to an opinion, but not all opinions are equal."

Pat (scenarshooter) is likely one of the more experienced NA Big Game hunters in this country, and if not, certainly here in Montana. All DIY. Apart from being a good guy, he's got more trigger/killing time than literally anyone on this forum.

Indeed, not all opinions are equal...


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Same .338WM I've been using for 36 yrs..


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Re: Best Elk Cartridge in the World?? [Re: Brad] #15656034 01/14/21
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Originally Posted by Brad
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Originally Posted by scenarshooter
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Pass on marginal shots regardless of the weapon.




Easily stated by someone that lives in elk country. For those that have to pay large sums of money to hunt an elk, and may have limited time to make an elk hunt, perhaps only once in a lifetime ......should not be restricted to “Pass on marginal shots regardless of the weapon”! And, I’m not referring to a shot of low percentage chance of hitting the necessary bullet impact location. I’m referring to using a cartridge that will drive a bullet through the vitals .....now matter the entry angle!

A proper cartridge (somewhat larger caliber), using a bullet proven to be accurate, retain a high percentage of it’s weight should be a a primary consideration for those folks, as described above! memtb


Easily stated by me regardless of where I live.....re read my post, I've been in on 200+ elk kills, and many, many of them were non residents I was guiding.



I will agree that many cannot handle the recoil some of the good elk cartridges..including something as light as a 30-06. There are many people that have no business hunting elk....period, for a myriad of reasons!

And it’s “ no hair off of your arse” if the client fails to kill his/her elk........it’s the non - resident client that spent thousands of $ and may potentially never have enough points to elk hunt again. As stated before......those folks should have the most cartridge that they are proficient with! It’s the hunter’s decision what that threshold is......not some outfitter/guide that doesn’t personally know the client!

We shall continue to disagree! memtb


This exchange again remakes my point; "everyone is entitled to an opinion, but not all opinions are equal."

Pat (scenarshooter) is likely one of the more experienced NA Big Game hunters in this country, and if not, certainly here in Montana. All DIY. Apart from being a good guy, he's got more trigger/killing time than literally anyone on this forum.

Indeed, not all opinions are equal...


"Pass on marginal shots regardless of the weapon." Kinda hard to argue that point.



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Re: Best Elk Cartridge in the World?? [Re: smokepole] #15656122 01/14/21
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Originally Posted by memtb
Originally Posted by scenarshooter
Originally Posted by memtb
[quote=scenarshooter]

Pass on marginal shots regardless of the weapon.




Easily stated by someone that lives in elk country. For those that have to pay large sums of money to hunt an elk, and may have limited time to make an elk hunt, perhaps only once in a lifetime ......should not be restricted to “Pass on marginal shots regardless of the weapon”! And, I’m not referring to a shot of low percentage chance of hitting the necessary bullet impact location. I’m referring to using a cartridge that will drive a bullet through the vitals .....now matter the entry angle!

A proper cartridge (somewhat larger caliber), using a bullet proven to be accurate, retain a high percentage of it’s weight should be a a primary consideration for those folks, as described above! memtb


Easily stated by me regardless of where I live.....re read my post, I've been in on 200+ elk kills, and many, many of them were non residents I was guiding.



I will agree that many cannot handle the recoil some of the good elk cartridges..including something as light as a 30-06. There are many people that have no business hunting elk....period, for a myriad of reasons!

And it’s “ no hair off of your arse” if the client fails to kill his/her elk........it’s the non - resident client that spent thousands of $ and may potentially never have enough points to elk hunt again. As stated before......those folks should have the most cartridge that they are proficient with! It’s the hunter’s decision what that threshold is......not some outfitter/guide that doesn’t personally know the client!

We shall continue to disagree! memtb


This exchange again remakes my point; "everyone is entitled to an opinion, but not all opinions are equal."

Pat (scenarshooter) is likely one of the more experienced NA Big Game hunters in this country, and if not, certainly here in Montana. All DIY. Apart from being a good guy, he's got more trigger/killing time than literally anyone on this forum.

Indeed, not all opinions are equal...


"Pass on marginal shots regardless of the weapon." Kinda hard to argue that point.


Marginal with one cartridge/bullet combo, maybe very easily done with another! memtb


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