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Originally Posted by Starman
When the Black Death hit Europe, you had some
Christians sayn' it was God's wrath, and another
bunch of Christians saying it was the Jews that
caused it, so they went about in mobs killing them.


Yeah it was group consensus, but the Jews didn't get to vote on it.


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Whatever you said...everyone knows you are a lying jerk.

That's a bold assertion. Point out where you think I lied.

Well?
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That would have been the Holy Spirit directing
.them to massacre Jews, no...?

Times haven't changed, there are still all kinds
of Christians with schit rolling around in their heads
thinking/acting self righteously in all kinds of wacky
and deranged ways... just cast a net on the CF
and see what you drag up.. 😂


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Originally Posted by Bristoe

Jews sure do hate themselves some Christians.


How many jews have shown their hate
toward you?. , share your personal experiences.


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Many books could be written on this subject and this is only the "Fire, so brevity is called for. But brevity is accompanied by incompleteness. But here are some thoughts.....


I don't see much biblical nor historical indication that God judges nations "for their sins" in this current dispensation. Could be, but if so, I am not able to see it.

The Holy Spirit has been referred to as the "restrainer" .... God is in control and the Holy Spirit seems the one that keeps Satan at bay and prevents earth events from spinning out of control.

However I think there is something to the idea that sometimes, the Holy Spirit begins to withdraw his hand... loosen his grip...so-to-speak... If and as He does this, Satan's influence... not being so tightly restrained.... let's loose on earth. Chaos and woe result.

This could be happening now. Why? I don't know, but it seems that when the government fails you, you are terribly hungry, your health fails, your family of no comfort and there is no one to turn to... many turn to God.

Also, the Bible refers to the "times of the Gentiles" or the "fullness of the Gentiles." Seems we are in those times... and as per the Bible... "the time of the Gentiles" will someday be fulfilled. Could be that in God's plan, there is more work to be done and more souls to be added to the Kingdom.

Consider that it may be that the US and perhaps the world will be heading into 20 or 30 years of very difficult times. Perhaps, as a result of pervasive fear ..... one's survival in dire jeopardy... that a Great Revival ... a great harvest of souls might come to pass?

A world wide set up for a Great Harvest in 30 years?


It also seems to me that this world does not revolve around you or me. God's plan... for us as individuals and for the nations of this earth....is paramount. Not our ease nor our idea of our own comfort. If He wants folks to "come to the feast" and it means tough times ahead, well so be it.

Was it Slumlord that kinda spoke to this reality? When tough times come, the just and the unjust will all be caught up in it together. However, the just have their eyes and hopes set on the future glory.

The idea that we have difficulty and it is "God's fault" is simplistic and reflects a very narrow view of God and a poor understanding of sin and the nature of man.

Me? I expect things in the good ole USA are going to get much worse. That difficulty may be required of us and the tough times ahead may yield a great harvest. Tough now, but there will be glory in Heaven when we get there.







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Originally Posted by Starman
Originally Posted by Bristoe

Jews sure do hate themselves some Christians.


How many jews have shown their hate
toward you?. , share your personal experiences.




Don't try to walk it back, now.

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Starman can't take a breath without talking dirt about Christians,..then when he gets called on it he starts in with,

"Give me one example!"

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Originally Posted by wabigoon
This nation has sinned enough to deserve it.

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Bristoe cannot cite any personal experiences.


Originally Posted by Bristoe
Starman can't take a breath without talking dirt about Christians,.


Your hypocrite mob do carry a lot of dirt.
Of course if you are busy demonizing Jews
you don't have to look at your own stains.



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God does`nt do curses.The Devil does.


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Originally Posted by mauserand9mm
Originally Posted by Starman
When the Black Death hit Europe, you had some
Christians sayn' it was God's wrath, and another
bunch of Christians saying it was the Jews that
caused it, so they went about in mobs killing them.


Yeah it was group consensus, but the Jews didn't get to vote on it.


That's called Democracy.


People who choose to brew up their own storms bitch loudest about the rain.
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As of now, I see God judging the heathens and not so much anyone else. I see Ny City, where it is legal now to kill a born baby under the guise of abortion. They might be getting judged more harsh . As for me, 2020 was kind of a good year. I stayed healthy, never got the flu or civid that I knew. My wife got sick and had to take the civid test cause she works in healthcare. She tested positive , but told me is was likely just Bronchidus and that is what she thought it was. Sick for about 5 days and then fine. I made a lot of money, shot a deer, caught fish, and basically enjoyed life in a lock down state. I hardly knew the difference when it opened back up. God will judge people and sadly, the righteous suffer too. I think if God does not judge America I would be surprised. I read Psalm 91 an awful lot lately.


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Who would want or need the blood sacrifice of their own son or child in order to forgive the transgression of others?


I have a question for you. Why is that that people like you seldom come here unless it's to try to trash something you don't believe in. Around here that's called being a troll.


Questioning is not trashing. If something is true, it should stand questioning. As you can see, not even believers agree on theology. Plus I am here daily and do comment on various other things.

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Originally Posted by Huntz
God does`nt do curses.The Devil does.


God is said to have cursed the whole of creation over a minor transgression made by a naive couple who knew no better.

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The politicians in government are cheating, lying, and thieving anti-American liberal socialist communist marxist which never quit, stop, or give up and they are the cause of most of our problems now and in the future.

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Originally Posted by wabigoon
This nation has sinned enough to deserve it.


I can tell you live a tiny world and have never travelled and seen other countries. sad really.

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Originally Posted by DBT

Questioning is not trashing. If something is true, it should stand questioning. As you can see, not even believers agree on theology.


Even before one gets to disagreeing believers
there are the Gospels that clearly conflict.
yet we are told they are the infallible inspired
words of God derived through the workings
of the inward Holy Spirit... so where did the
errors come from?

Scripture shows neither God or Holy Spirit
can positively nail down when Jesus was
born...one Gospel puts it around 4 BC and
another in 6 AD.



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Originally Posted by Starman
Your hypocrite mob do carry a lot of dirt.


You're right, Christians do carry a lot of dirt. OTOH, those who hate Him are so much better. smile

The point is that we are ALL sinners, each and every one of us. Our human nature is set against God. You are not alone in how you feel.



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Originally Posted by antlers
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Where in the New Testament is judgement threatened as a consequence for national sins...?
Why do you see a need to separate the New and Old Testement?
Because the Old Covenant is over. New Covenant values and imperatives stand in sharp contrast to the values and imperatives of the Old Covenant. It was the New Covenant values and imperatives that influenced Western Civilization. Jesus ended the Old Covenant once and for all.
Not all of it changed from then to now. The 10 Commandments are still the same now as then.
Many choose to see it that way. I’m not one of em’. Ancient Judaism came to an abrupt end on August 6 in AD70, signaled by the temple’s destruction. The Old Covenant wasn’t needed anymore...none of it...it had been fulfilled and replaced with a new, and better, covenant. I don’t equate the fulfilled-and-now-obsolete Old Covenant with Jesus’ New Covenant. God clearly separated the two. This is my perspective on the matter. I understand that you see it differently...and some others might also...and I’m cool with that.



My perspective also.


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Originally Posted by SuperCub
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Your hypocrite mob do carry a lot of dirt.


You're right, Christians do carry a lot of dirt.


Actually our Lord has taken upon Himself the dirt, of which we have much.

To be a hypocrite is a shame; to rid oneself of the possibility of hypocrisy by setting aside any objective standard and/or personal standard bearer? I’d submit that that is self-justifyingly cynical and deserving of equal condemnation.

I seek to obtain a standard I know I am incapable and therefore I will, to my condemnation, be found to have behaved hypocritically. Praise God for a Savior who takes upon Himself my hypocrisy!

Ps- I’ve gotta give a plug to a favorite podcast of mine, the Heidelcast, where the host is currently doing a series entitled “As it was in the days of Noah” on eschatology or end times. He isn’t a Dispensationalist so it’s not what you’ll typically hear on this topic in American churches check it out a lot related to this conversation

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Originally Posted by TF49
I don't see much biblical nor historical indication that God judges nations "for their sins" in this current dispensation. Could be, but if so, I am not able to see it.
I agree. I don’t see that there is any New Testament indication that He threatens His judgement as a consequence for national sins nowadays.

Consequences of bad national decisions and bad national behavior are quite different than God’s judgement, such as Sodom and Gomorrah, or the flood.


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