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Cpw has a video out there showing radio collared elk movements as the result of the Cameron peak fire. It’s pretty interesting to see how the responded to the fire.

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Good video. The takeaway is that the elk are well adapted to fire--it's been happening since elk have arrived on this continent.

Another point I have tried to make in the past is when the USFS gives an estimate of the size of these fires it's all the acreage inside the perimeter of the fire. On average, 40%-60% of the area inside the fire burns in a normal forest fire (whatever "normal" is), leaving large islands of unburned vegetation. Those unburned areas also tend to "seed" the burned areas.

Usually, those unburned areas were not ready to burn. They will be ready to burn sometime in the future though, while the previously burned areas with newer growth will not burn, once again leaving large, green islands of trees/vegetation.

The forests of the western US are well adapted to fire, and many of these forests are fire dependent--fire is as important to the forest as the sun coming up in the morning.


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Good video. The takeaway is that the elk are well adapted to fire--it's been happening since elk have arrived on this continent.

Another point I have tried to make in the past is when the USFS gives an estimate of the size of these fires it's all the acreage inside the perimeter of the fire. On average, 40%-60% of the area inside the fire burns in a normal forest fire (whatever "normal" is), leaving large islands of unburned vegetation. Those unburned areas also tend to "seed" the burned areas.

Usually, those unburned areas were not ready to burn. They will be ready to burn sometime in the future though, while the previously burned areas with newer growth will not burn, once again leaving large, green islands of trees/vegetation.

The forests of the western US are well adapted to fire, and many of these forests are fire dependent--fire is as important to the forest as the sun coming up in the morning.


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Actually the video is about the elk in the Cameron Peak fire, but the same can be expected from any other fire in the southern Rockies.


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The major difference I suspect from the Cameron Peak fire and E. Troublesome fire regarding wildlife is the CF burned over a longer time. I am guessing a good number of critters perished in the 24 hours of Biblical surge during the E.Troublesome fire when it ran 18 miles or so in that time frame. Unfathomable!

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The major difference I suspect from the Cameron Peak fire and E. Troublesome fire regarding wildlife is the CF burned over a longer time. I am guessing a good number of critters perished in the 24 hours of Biblical surge during the E.Troublesome fire when it ran 18 miles or so in that time frame. Unfathomable!


The Cameron Peak fire made two big runs. One from the upper Poudre to the Pingree Park area, the second one went 17 miles overnight. It actually covered about the same amount ground in a straight line in less time than the Troublesome fire. The second run was a twin of the Troublesome fire less than a week later.


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^^^^thanks for that, did not realize that.

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I am absolutely clueless as to how common collared elk are out there, but over the years I have seen several (both bull and cow) come thru the ranch. Always suspected they came out of RMNP.


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I killed two cows over the years with a collar and my first bull in the troublesome, circa mid 80's had a collar.

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Some years back, blue algae killed ~ 100 elk on a ranch we used to lease.
I asked the manager, about a month later, about the elk - and he said the numbers on the place had come back to ~ normal in 2 weeks or less.
Seems elk are resilient !


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it will be interesting to see what if anything shows up on the winter range this winter, between lead poisoning and wildfire it has to be not much in comparison to a few years ago, and there aint much chow waiting on their arrival either. I fear for my haystack... But I predict CPW will find numbers that support tag allotments in either the same or even greater numbers than in recent years. It is a safe prediction.

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A CPW biologist put out a video of collared elk during the fire that tracked their movements.It showed they stayed ahead of the fire or moved around it .Not a significant number died


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Elk and other big game are well adapted to dealing with fire. The collared elk in the Cameron Peak fire simply moved around it and most to moved to the large unburned "islands". Some even took a shortcut through the fire.


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They must have learned during the fire to walk very light footed cause they don't even leave tracks in the snow this winter.

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