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A smart friend of mine who is a moderate liberal asked why I was not recognizing Joe Biden’s victory. The friend made the case that Mr. Biden had gotten more votes, and historically we recognize the person with the most votes. Normally, we accept the outcome of elections just as we accept the outcomes of sporting events.

So, my friend asked why was 2020 different?

Having spent more than four years watching the left “resist” President Donald Trump and focus entirely on undoing and undermining the 2016 election, it took me several days to understand the depth of my own feelings. As I thought about it, I realized my anger and fear were not narrowly focused on votes. My unwillingness to relax and accept that the election grew out of a level of outrage and alienation unlike anything I had experienced in more than 60 years involvement in public affairs.

The challenge is that I — and other conservatives — are not disagreeing with the left within a commonly understood world. We live in alternative worlds. The left’s world is mostly the established world of the forces who have been dominant for most of my life.

My world is the populist rebellion which believes we are being destroyed, our liberties are being cancelled and our religions are under assault. (Note the new Human Rights Campaign to decertify any religious school which does not accept secular sexual values — and that many Democrat governors have kept casinos open while closing churches though the COVID-19 pandemic.) We also believe other Democrat-led COVID-19 policies have enriched the wealthy while crushing middle class small business owners (some 160,000 restaurants may close).

In this context, let’s talk first about the recent past and the presidency:

In 2016, I supported an outsider candidate, who was rough around the edges and in the Andrew Jackson school of controversial assaults on the old order. When my candidate won, it was blamed on the Russians. We now know (four years later) Hillary Clinton’s own team financed the total lie that fueled this attack. Members of the FBI twice engaged in criminal acts to help it along — once in avoiding prosecution of someone who had deleted 33,000 emails and had a subordinate use a hammer to physically destroy hard drives, and a second time by lying to FISA judges to destroy Gen. Michael Flynn and spy on then-candidate Donald Trump and his team. The national liberal media aided and abetted every step of the way. All this was purely an attempt to cripple the new president and lead to the appointment of a special counsel — who ultimately produced nothing.

Now, people in my world are told it is time to stop resisting and cooperate with the new president. But we remember that the Democrats wanted to cooperate with Mr. Trump so much that they began talking about his impeachment before he even took office. The Washington Post ran a story on Democrat impeachment plots the day of the inauguration. In fact, nearly 70 Democratic lawmakers boycotted his inauguration. A massive left-wing demonstration was staged in Washington the day after, where Madonna announced she dreamed of blowing up the White House to widespread applause. These same forces want me to cooperate with their new president. I find myself adopting the Nancy Pelosi model of constant resistance. Nothing I have seen from Mr. Biden since the election offers me any hope that he will reach out to the more than 74 million Americans who voted for President Trump.

So, I am not reacting to the votes so much as to the whole election environment. When Twitter and Facebook censored the oldest and fourth largest newspaper (founded by Alexander Hamilton) because it accurately reported news that could hurt Mr. Biden’s chances — where were The New York Times and The Washington Post? The truth of the Hunter Biden story is now becoming impossible to avoid or conceal. The family of the Democrat nominee for president received at least $5 million from an entity controlled by our greatest adversary. It was a blatant payoff, and most Americans who voted for Mr. Biden never heard of it — or were told before the election it was Russian disinformation. Once they did hear of it, 17% said they would have switched their votes, according to a poll by the Media Research Center. That’s the entire election. The censorship worked exactly as intended.

Typically, newspapers and media outlets band together when press freedom is threatened by censorship. Where was the sanctimonious “democracy dies in darkness?” Tragically, The Washington Post is now part of the darkness.

But this is just a start. When Twitter censors four of five Rush Limbaugh tweets in one day, I fear for the country. When these monolithic Internet giants censor the President of the United States, I fear for the country. When I see elite billionaires like Mark Zuckerburg are able to spend $400 million to hire city governments to maximize turnout in specifically Democratic districts — without any regard to election spending laws or good governance standards — I fear for the country. When I read that Apple has a firm rule of never irritating China — and I watch the NBA kowtow to Beijing, I fear for our country. When I watch story after story about election fraud being spiked — without even the appearance of journalistic due diligence or curiosity — I know something is sick.

The election process itself was the final straw in creating the crisis of confidence which is accelerating and deepening for many millions of Americans. Aside from a constant stream of allegations of outright fraud, there are some specific outrages — any one of which was likely enough to swing the entire election. Officials in virtually every swing state broke their states’ own laws to send out millions of ballots or ballot applications to every registered voter. It was all clearly documented in the Texas lawsuit, which was declined by the U.S. Supreme Court based on Texas’ procedural standing — not the merits of the case. That’s the election.

In addition, it’s clear that virtually every swing state essentially suspended normal requirements for verifying absentee ballots. Rejection rates were an order of magnitude lower than in a normal year. In Georgia, rejection rates dropped from 6.5% in 2016 to 0.2% in 2020. In Pennsylvania, it went from 1% in 2016 to .003% in 2020. Nevada fell from 1.6% to .75%. There is no plausible explanation other than that they were counting a huge number of ballots — disproportionately for Mr. Biden — that normally would not have passed muster. That’s the election.

The entire elite liberal media lied about the timeline of the COVID-19 vaccine. They blamed President Trump for the global pandemic even as he did literally everything top scientists instructed. In multiple debates, the moderators outright stated that he was lying about the U.S. having a vaccine before the end of the year (note Vice President Mike Pence received it this week). If Americans had known the pandemic was almost over, that too was likely the difference in the election.

The unanimously never-Trump debate commission spiked the second debate at a critical time in order to hurt President Trump. If there had been one more debate like the final one, it likely would have been pivotal.

This is just the beginning. But any one of those things alone is enough for Trump supporters to think we have been robbed by a ruthless establishment — which is likely to only get more corrupt and aggressive if it gets away with these blatant acts. For more than four years, the entire establishment mobilized against the elected president of the United States as though they were an immune system trying to kill a virus. Now, they are telling us we are undermining democracy.

You have more than 74 million voters who supported President Trump despite everything — and given the election mess, the number could easily be significantly higher. The truth is tens of millions of Americans are deeply alienated and angry.

If Mr. Biden governs from the left — and he will almost certainly be forced to — that number will grow rapidly, and we will win a massive election in 2022.

Given this environment, I have no interest in legitimizing the father of a son who Chinese Communist Party members boast about buying. Nor do I have any interest in pretending that the current result is legitimate or honorable. It is simply the final stroke of a four-year establishment-media power grab. It has been perpetrated by people who have broken the law, cheated the country of information, and smeared those of us who believe in America over China, history over revisionism, and the liberal ideal of free expression over cancel culture.

I write this in genuine sorrow, because I think we are headed toward a serious, bitter struggle in America. This extraordinary, coordinated four-year power grab threatens the fabric of our country and the freedom of every American.


Newt Gingrich.


I am..........disturbed.

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Newt's delusional. The media will tell those more than 74 million Trump supporters how to feel. And it will tell them to be very ashamed, because they are racists, bigots, and traitors.


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Well he's not wrong!

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as usual he is absolutely correct but i have my doubt about his prediction for 2022 because i heard him say it about 2018. but his points are valid even if his prediction is overally optimistic.


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Lot more facts there than any MSM broadcast.


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The only problem with Newt's viewpoint is he's yet to accept that America is the victim of a coup.

He puts all the parts together but he's yet to see the big picture.

We won't win a massive election in 2022. It won't be allowed.

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Originally Posted by Bristoe
The only problem with Newt's viewpoint is he's yet to accept that America is the victim of a coup.

He puts all the parts together but he's yet to see the big picture.

We won't win a massive election in 2022. It won't be allowed.

WINNER WINNER CHICKEN DINNER.

Ol’ Newt is living in the past, he has not yet realized that the election process in America is totally GONE.


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Also,...Newt is still trying to push the "Democrats vs. Republicans" narrative.

Newt is a very intelligent man who has spent a lot of time on the inside of D.C. politics.

He knows that the GOP is complicit in the stolen 2020 election.

That old boilerplate GOP conservative schitt doesn't fly any longer. The whole thing is rotten.

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Originally Posted by HuntnShoot
Newt's delusional. The media will tell those more than 74 million Trump supporters how to feel. And it will tell them to be very ashamed, because they are racists, bigots, and traitors.


Actually I believe Newt (setting aside my feelings about him) is correct. I also believe that while the media can attempt to tell Trump supporters how to feel, it ain’t gonna work. There’s definitely a large portion of the electorate that will swallow everything the MSM says, those are the sheep that are likely to follow their false prophets into their guilt ridden utopia of broken promises and shame for their future thoughts. The fervent conservatives and deep state haters have already endured 4+ years of misdirected liberal angst that manifested itself in riots, murder, assault, arson, property destruction and every other form of political retribution imaginable yet Trump’s support has only grown stronger.

The die has been cast and REAL Conservatives, having endured the last 4 years, have proved that they ain’t jumping ship. No matter how many rats are onboard the conservatives will keep stomping them out. They might breed (recruit) faster than we can stomp but eventually we’ll reach an equilibrium and that’s when the tide will turn.

All this assumes of course that our elections are free and fair....which we know they aren’t. We either need to fix our elections or figure out how to cheat better than they do. If I was a rich man I’d be getting the best computer IT hackers in the world together and setting up a system to out cheat the cheaters.

Putting our faith and trust in the system, like we were raised to do, has proven to be a dead end road. We either tear the whole rotten structure down or we play their game and beat them using their rules and tactics against them....to our advantage.


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Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual.
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Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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Originally Posted by AcesNeights
Originally Posted by HuntnShoot
Newt's delusional. The media will tell those more than 74 million Trump supporters how to feel. And it will tell them to be very ashamed, because they are racists, bigots, and traitors.


Actually I believe Newt (setting aside my feelings about him) is correct. I also believe that while the media can attempt to tell Trump supporters how to feel, it ain’t gonna work. There’s definitely a large portion of the electorate that will swallow everything the MSM says, those are the sheep that are likely to follow their false prophets into their guilt ridden utopia of broken promises and shame for their future thoughts. The fervent conservatives and deep state haters have already endured 4+ years of misdirected liberal angst that manifested itself in riots, murder, assault, arson, property destruction and every other form of political retribution imaginable yet Trump’s support has only grown stronger.

The die has been cast and REAL Conservatives, having endured the last 4 years, have proved that they ain’t jumping ship. No matter how many rats are onboard the conservatives will keep stomping them out. They might breed (recruit) faster than we can stomp but eventually we’ll reach an equilibrium and that’s when the tide will turn.

All this assumes of course that our elections are free and fair....which we know they aren’t. We either need to fix our elections or figure out how to cheat better than they do. If I was a rich man I’d be getting the best computer IT hackers in the world together and setting up a system to out cheat the cheaters.

Putting our faith and trust in the system, like we were raised to do, has proven to be a dead end road. We either tear the whole rotten structure down or we play their game and beat them using their rules and tactics against them....to our advantage.


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