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I guess that I should buy another Lotto ticket. I have owned a M48 Nosler Patriot rifle for pushing two years now. Its chambered in 280AI. It shoots well under 1 MOA with factory ammunition and with my hand loads over bags. The factory supplied target showed pretty much the same results. Shooting a rifle over bags can sometimes result in exposing pilot errors very easily. Just sayin'....
I'm happy with its performance. At the time I paid just over $1k out the door.. You got what I hoped for, and I am glad it worked out for you. Mine didn't come with a test target. As a shooter, I am just okay over bags. I have managed to coax quite a few hunting rifles into 3 shot groups from MOA down to half MOA. Everything from rimfire to 30-06, to 35 Whelen to 45-70 full house reloads. I am not going to win any competitions that's for sure. Is there any human error that you know of that could cause this kind of target strike? Nosler ammo in their rifle that is twisted for it. Bore size or twist off? Or both?
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You certainly have had seriously bad luck with some higher end rifles. Thank you for pointing that out. Would you like for me to buy you a lottery ticket today? Yes, that would be very nice of you to do.
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I had a similar situation with a car i bought. I went to the dealer website and sent an email to everyone who was listed as a manager and made sure all of the people who had last names the same as the business name got a copy.
Within a half a day i had some answers. Turns out the service guy liked to keep his eff ups quiet.
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Especially if they are thoughtfully written, as this one was.
I am not sure how thoughtful it was to call their operation a gagglefuck.
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I guess that I should buy another Lotto ticket. I have owned a M48 Nosler Patriot rifle for pushing two years now. Its chambered in 280AI. It shoots well under 1 MOA with factory ammunition and with my hand loads over bags. The factory supplied target showed pretty much the same results. Shooting a rifle over bags can sometimes result in exposing pilot errors very easily. Just sayin'....
I'm happy with its performance. At the time I paid just over $1k out the door.. You got what I hoped for, and I am glad it worked out for you. Mine didn't come with a test target. As a shooter, I am just okay over bags. I have managed to coax quite a few hunting rifles into 3 shot groups from MOA down to half MOA. Everything from rimfire to 30-06, to 35 Whelen to 45-70 full house reloads. I am not going to win any competitions that's for sure. Is there any human error that you know of that could cause this kind of target strike? Nosler ammo in their rifle that is twisted for it. Bore size or twist off? Or both? They haven't told me the specifics, but I am guessing wrong twist.
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If you want to make money take PB to a casino high roller roulette wheel, get him to put mimium on a color and you max out on the other color, pretty soon other patrons will be following you..😂
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Especially if they are thoughtfully written, as this one was.
I am not sure how thoughtful it was to call their operation a gagglefuck. Gagglefuck can be thoughtful if it is indeed accurate. In reality, it sounds like it is a gagglefuck over there, given the amount of time that has gone by, and the slackness of the jaw of the man you've been dealing with.
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If you want to make money take PB to a casino high roller roulette wheel, get him to put mimium on a color and you max out on the other color, pretty soon other patrons will be following you..😂 You might be onto to something there.
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That looks like a target from an acquaintance that wanted help in sorting out issues with factory ammo in the 22.250 he had. One look at the barrel revealed the problem - 250 Savage.
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I'm starting to think there are three levels of QC in the firearms business.
Pass / Fail / and Send to Lousianna....
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Who the hell buys a gun made by a bullet company? What’s next? A Michelin car? Double sheesh!
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Here is the email I just sent them. I have made some minor modifications to get past our profanity filters. I decided not to post the entire email string. Should anyone have legitimate doubts as to the veracity of my claims, I can post the string, but it won't reflect anything different from my summary.
As always I welcome any and all feedback. Don't care if you call me a whiny cundt.
Daniel:
I am going to level with you. Initially I was disappointed in Nosler over this. Now I am pissed. If you review the email string you will see a chain of failures on your part. I'll delineate those failures. "You" means Nosler.
1. You failed to execute proper manufacturing of the rifle 2. You failed to exercise the level of QC that would have trapped the error at the manufacturing facility. 3. When you sent the email that authorized the return of the defective rifle, you told me you'd email me when you got it. You did not email me when you got it. I had to nudge you for that info. 4. When I asked for an estimate of turn around time you said you'd soon know and implied you'd communicate that to me. You did not communicate that to me. I had to nudge you twice to get you to tell me that it was a bad barrel that would have to be replaced. 5. After not hearing from you for roughly 2 months, I messaged you to check on my gun. At that point you told me it should be ready by the end of December. Here we are 3 weeks beyond the end of December, and I haven't heard anything. We are running up on nearly 5 months of the rifle being back in your hands.
I am well aware that we are in unusual times due to Covid and the rush on guns. When I sent my Christensen Arms Mesa back for failure to eject, they told me right up front that they'd turn it around very quickly and they did. When I had to send my Remington 700 HS Precision back for a cracked stock and failure to feed they told me it would take about 12 weeks. I knew what to expect. I got the gun back in about 11 weeks, and I didn't burden them with any communication in the interim. Both of those were during Covid and the rush on guns. Hell, Remington did that with one foot in the corporate grave.
From my seat you have issues. You are certainly mismanaging communications. You may be trying to placate me by telling me it will be ready soon. Nobody likes to be bullschidt. You may be overwhelmed. If that's the case you should have told me right up front. You may just be really bad at customer service. Whatever the reason, you have me utterly disgusted at the gagglefugk that has been this gun purchase and repair.
Put yourself in my shoes. I have been a lifelong Nosler bullet fan and a recent Nosler brass convert. I have trusted the best hunts of my life to your bullets. It was that confidence that led me to "treat myself" to a Nosler rifle. What am I supposed to think?
Nosler has lost me. I just placed a heavy order with Swift. There is nothing your Accubonds and Partitions will do that their Sciroccos and A-Frames won't do. At this point I don't care what you do with the rifle. If and when I get it back, I am going to sell it, and I honestly don't care if I get it back at all. If you'd like, you are welcome to hang it in your office as a reminder of how not to treat a customer. I want nothing to do with Nosler anymore. You've lost my trust.
I'll close out by telling you this is going to be an ugly divorce. I participate in a large number of internet discussion forums, to include your own Nosler Forum. A copy and paste of this email string is going to be posted on all of them so that consumers can get a glimpse of what Nosler has become.
Really Pissed, Paul
Pointless, you have given them the rifle and removed any onus on them so far as repair goes. Interesting hissy fit though.
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I'm starting to think there are three levels of QC in the firearms business.
Pass / Fail / and Send to Lousianna.... lololol
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Here is the email I just sent them. I have made some minor modifications to get past our profanity filters. I decided not to post the entire email string. Should anyone have legitimate doubts as to the veracity of my claims, I can post the string, but it won't reflect anything different from my summary.
As always I welcome any and all feedback. Don't care if you call me a whiny cundt.
Daniel:
I am going to level with you. Initially I was disappointed in Nosler over this. Now I am pissed. If you review the email string you will see a chain of failures on your part. I'll delineate those failures. "You" means Nosler.
1. You failed to execute proper manufacturing of the rifle 2. You failed to exercise the level of QC that would have trapped the error at the manufacturing facility. 3. When you sent the email that authorized the return of the defective rifle, you told me you'd email me when you got it. You did not email me when you got it. I had to nudge you for that info. 4. When I asked for an estimate of turn around time you said you'd soon know and implied you'd communicate that to me. You did not communicate that to me. I had to nudge you twice to get you to tell me that it was a bad barrel that would have to be replaced. 5. After not hearing from you for roughly 2 months, I messaged you to check on my gun. At that point you told me it should be ready by the end of December. Here we are 3 weeks beyond the end of December, and I haven't heard anything. We are running up on nearly 5 months of the rifle being back in your hands.
I am well aware that we are in unusual times due to Covid and the rush on guns. When I sent my Christensen Arms Mesa back for failure to eject, they told me right up front that they'd turn it around very quickly and they did. When I had to send my Remington 700 HS Precision back for a cracked stock and failure to feed they told me it would take about 12 weeks. I knew what to expect. I got the gun back in about 11 weeks, and I didn't burden them with any communication in the interim. Both of those were during Covid and the rush on guns. Hell, Remington did that with one foot in the corporate grave.
From my seat you have issues. You are certainly mismanaging communications. You may be trying to placate me by telling me it will be ready soon. Nobody likes to be bullschidt. You may be overwhelmed. If that's the case you should have told me right up front. You may just be really bad at customer service. Whatever the reason, you have me utterly disgusted at the gagglefugk that has been this gun purchase and repair.
Put yourself in my shoes. I have been a lifelong Nosler bullet fan and a recent Nosler brass convert. I have trusted the best hunts of my life to your bullets. It was that confidence that led me to "treat myself" to a Nosler rifle. What am I supposed to think?
Nosler has lost me. I just placed a heavy order with Swift. There is nothing your Accubonds and Partitions will do that their Sciroccos and A-Frames won't do. At this point I don't care what you do with the rifle. If and when I get it back, I am going to sell it, and I honestly don't care if I get it back at all. If you'd like, you are welcome to hang it in your office as a reminder of how not to treat a customer. I want nothing to do with Nosler anymore. You've lost my trust.
I'll close out by telling you this is going to be an ugly divorce. I participate in a large number of internet discussion forums, to include your own Nosler Forum. A copy and paste of this email string is going to be posted on all of them so that consumers can get a glimpse of what Nosler has become.
Really Pissed, Paul
Pointless, you have given them the rifle and removed any onus on them so far as repair goes. Interesting hissy fit though. Thank you for your considered response. Did you miss the part where I typed that I don't care if I get it back at all?
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When I sent my Christensen Arms Mesa back for failure to eject, they told me right up front that they'd turn it around very quickly and they did.
Hey that's not bad, unlike the smith that thinks hes really schit hot but delivered a rather expensive M98 custom that the owner discovered wouldn't feed rounds during the course of African safari... but I heard the cosmetic appearance of the rig was exceptional... 😂 I'd be frustratd about your Howa clone but I wouldn't have cause to be livered. I found Win cut a lousy chamber in a Pushfeed featherweight, but they didn't think so.. oh well.
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Here is the email I just sent them. I have made some minor modifications to get past our profanity filters. I decided not to post the entire email string. Should anyone have legitimate doubts as to the veracity of my claims, I can post the string, but it won't reflect anything different from my summary.
As always I welcome any and all feedback. Don't care if you call me a whiny cundt.
Daniel:
I am going to level with you. Initially I was disappointed in Nosler over this. Now I am pissed. If you review the email string you will see a chain of failures on your part. I'll delineate those failures. "You" means Nosler.
1. You failed to execute proper manufacturing of the rifle 2. You failed to exercise the level of QC that would have trapped the error at the manufacturing facility. 3. When you sent the email that authorized the return of the defective rifle, you told me you'd email me when you got it. You did not email me when you got it. I had to nudge you for that info. 4. When I asked for an estimate of turn around time you said you'd soon know and implied you'd communicate that to me. You did not communicate that to me. I had to nudge you twice to get you to tell me that it was a bad barrel that would have to be replaced. 5. After not hearing from you for roughly 2 months, I messaged you to check on my gun. At that point you told me it should be ready by the end of December. Here we are 3 weeks beyond the end of December, and I haven't heard anything. We are running up on nearly 5 months of the rifle being back in your hands.
I am well aware that we are in unusual times due to Covid and the rush on guns. When I sent my Christensen Arms Mesa back for failure to eject, they told me right up front that they'd turn it around very quickly and they did. When I had to send my Remington 700 HS Precision back for a cracked stock and failure to feed they told me it would take about 12 weeks. I knew what to expect. I got the gun back in about 11 weeks, and I didn't burden them with any communication in the interim. Both of those were during Covid and the rush on guns. Hell, Remington did that with one foot in the corporate grave.
From my seat you have issues. You are certainly mismanaging communications. You may be trying to placate me by telling me it will be ready soon. Nobody likes to be bullschidt. You may be overwhelmed. If that's the case you should have told me right up front. You may just be really bad at customer service. Whatever the reason, you have me utterly disgusted at the gagglefugk that has been this gun purchase and repair.
Put yourself in my shoes. I have been a lifelong Nosler bullet fan and a recent Nosler brass convert. I have trusted the best hunts of my life to your bullets. It was that confidence that led me to "treat myself" to a Nosler rifle. What am I supposed to think?
Nosler has lost me. I just placed a heavy order with Swift. There is nothing your Accubonds and Partitions will do that their Sciroccos and A-Frames won't do. At this point I don't care what you do with the rifle. If and when I get it back, I am going to sell it, and I honestly don't care if I get it back at all. If you'd like, you are welcome to hang it in your office as a reminder of how not to treat a customer. I want nothing to do with Nosler anymore. You've lost my trust.
I'll close out by telling you this is going to be an ugly divorce. I participate in a large number of internet discussion forums, to include your own Nosler Forum. A copy and paste of this email string is going to be posted on all of them so that consumers can get a glimpse of what Nosler has become.
Really Pissed, Paul
Honestly, I think you're over-reacting. Just how I see it.
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Thank you for your considered response. Did you miss the part where I typed that I don't care if I get it back at all?
No, it was right next to the part where you gave up all rights to the rifle and any recourse for repair, and thereby giving away any right to whinge about your treatment and lack of consultation. You effectively told them you are all good with the result so long as you can denigrate the company to anyone who will listen.
These are my opinions, feel free to disagree.
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Have a good day counselor.
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Not saying at all that Nosler isn't dropping the ball on this but....base on the email you sent, have you ever had a rifle that actually works? Maybe I should be the one buying a lottery ticket.
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