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Pullit, RL-17. That's your huckleberry. On paper, the data for this looks really good vs. your requirements. The problem is, in the real world, rifles are like women. There's no accounting for what they do, or do not like, and sometimes a given bullet/powder/primer combination just will not work. In the past I've gotten some great buys on surplus powders. Sometimes they work with a wide variety of bullets. Other times I have to test 10+ to find something that provides acceptable groups. In other words, if you are stuck on using one powder, don't get stuck on the idea you will also get good results with the first bullet you choose for each cartridge. In my experience, it seems the guys who like RL powders have a tendency to light them with Federal Primers. I'd be very interested in experience to the contrary, especially now with all components selling for a premium. With all that said, if I was in your shoes, I'd start looking for some Rl-17. Good luck with that. There's not much for powder available right now. It's the worst I've ever seen it. It's great in the .308:
Cartridge : .308 Win. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .308, 150, Nosler BalTip 30150
Useable Case Capaci: 46.998 grain H2O = 3.051 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.800 inch = 71.12 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-17 *T
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 0.98% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-09.8 101 46.00 2669 2372 41484 7612 94.1 1.249
-08.8 102 46.50 2701 2431 42996 7702 94.7 1.229
-07.8 103 47.00 2734 2490 44573 7789 95.3 1.209
-06.9 105 47.50 2767 2551 46216 7873 95.8 1.189
-05.9 106 48.00 2800 2612 47932 7952 96.3 1.170
-04.9 107 48.50 2833 2674 49721 8027 96.8 1.151
-03.9 108 49.00 2867 2737 51590 8098 97.2 1.132
-02.9 109 49.50 2900 2801 53545 8164 97.6 1.113 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 110 50.00 2933 2865 55589 8226 98.0 1.095 ! Near Maximum !
-01.0 111 50.50 2966 2931 57726 8283 98.3 1.077 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 112 51.00 2999 2997 59963 8335 98.6 1.060 ! Near Maximum !
+01.0 113 51.50 3033 3063 62308 8382 98.9 1.042 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0 114 52.00 3066 3131 64766 8424 99.2 1.025 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.9 116 52.50 3099 3199 67345 8460 99.4 1.008 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.9 117 53.00 3132 3268 70049 8491 99.6 0.992 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.9 118 53.50 3166 3338 72895 8516 99.7 0.976 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 3% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 3% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 112 51.00 3054 3106 63634 8283 99.6 1.033 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 3% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 112 51.00 2939 2877 56439 8329 97.2 1.089 ! Near Maximum !
Great in the .300 Win Mag:
Cartridge : .300 Win. Mag.(SAAMI)
Bullet : .308, 150, Nosler BalTip 30150
Useable Case Capaci: 81.759 grain H2O = 5.309 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-17 *T
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 0.676% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-06.8 87 69.00 3112 3225 49415 11648 100.0 1.179
-06.1 88 69.50 3132 3268 50525 11688 100.0 1.167
-05.4 89 70.00 3153 3312 51659 11726 100.0 1.156
-04.7 89 70.50 3174 3356 52821 11764 100.0 1.144
-04.1 90 71.00 3195 3399 54009 11801 100.0 1.133
-03.4 90 71.50 3215 3443 55224 11838 100.0 1.122 ! Near Maximum !
-02.7 91 72.00 3236 3487 56468 11874 100.0 1.110 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 92 72.50 3256 3532 57742 11911 100.0 1.100 ! Near Maximum !
-01.4 92 73.00 3277 3576 59044 11946 100.0 1.089 ! Near Maximum !
-00.7 93 73.50 3297 3620 60378 11982 100.0 1.078 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 94 74.00 3317 3665 61743 12017 100.0 1.067 ! Near Maximum !
+00.7 94 74.50 3337 3709 63144 12052 100.0 1.057 ! Near Maximum !
+01.4 95 75.00 3357 3754 64574 12086 100.0 1.047 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0 95 75.50 3377 3799 66032 12120 100.0 1.037 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.7 96 76.00 3397 3844 67521 12153 100.0 1.027 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.4 97 76.50 3417 3889 69041 12186 100.0 1.017 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 3% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 3% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 94 74.00 3357 3754 65659 11877 100.0 1.042 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 3% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 94 74.00 3271 3564 57907 12174 100.0 1.096 ! Near Maximum !
If you want to go up to 180gr Bullet for Elk and Moose, it works for that:
Cartridge : .300 Win. Mag.(SAAMI)
Bullet : .308, 180, Nosler AccuBond 54825
Useable Case Capaci: 79.821 grain H2O = 5.183 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-17 *T
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 0.725% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-07.2 83 64.00 2830 3200 48154 11089 100.0 1.293
-06.5 84 64.50 2849 3244 49269 11136 100.0 1.280
-05.8 84 65.00 2868 3288 50410 11182 100.0 1.267
-05.1 85 65.50 2887 3332 51576 11227 100.0 1.254
-04.3 86 66.00 2906 3376 52763 11272 100.0 1.241
-03.6 86 66.50 2925 3420 53974 11317 100.0 1.229
-02.9 87 67.00 2944 3464 55207 11362 100.0 1.216 ! Near Maximum !
-02.2 87 67.50 2963 3509 56466 11406 100.0 1.204 ! Near Maximum !
-01.4 88 68.00 2982 3553 57751 11449 100.0 1.192 ! Near Maximum !
-00.7 89 68.50 3000 3598 59064 11493 100.0 1.180 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 89 69.00 3019 3643 60406 11536 100.0 1.168 ! Near Maximum !
+00.7 90 69.50 3038 3688 61776 11578 100.0 1.157 ! Near Maximum !
+01.4 91 70.00 3056 3733 63176 11620 100.0 1.145 ! Near Maximum !
+02.2 91 70.50 3075 3778 64607 11662 100.0 1.134 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.9 92 71.00 3093 3823 66068 11703 100.0 1.123 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.6 93 71.50 3111 3869 67561 11744 100.0 1.112 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 3% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 3% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 89 69.00 3051 3721 64046 11413 100.0 1.141 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 3% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 89 69.00 2982 3555 56757 11673 100.0 1.198 ! Near Maximum !
Great in the .300 Savage:
Cartridge : .300 Savage
Bullet : .308, 150, Nosler BalTip 30150
Useable Case Capaci: 42.440 grain H2O = 2.756 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.600 inch = 66.04 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-17 *T
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.087% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-10.9 100 41.00 2474 2039 36275 6637 90.1 1.343
-09.8 101 41.50 2509 2097 37695 6743 90.9 1.320
-08.7 102 42.00 2544 2155 39208 6847 91.7 1.297
-07.6 104 42.50 2579 2215 40776 6947 92.4 1.274
-06.5 105 43.00 2614 2276 42420 7043 93.1 1.251
-05.4 106 43.50 2650 2338 44143 7136 93.8 1.229
-04.3 107 44.00 2685 2401 45948 7225 94.4 1.206 ! Near Maximum !
-03.3 108 44.50 2721 2465 47844 7310 95.0 1.185 ! Near Maximum !
-02.2 110 45.00 2756 2531 49832 7390 95.6 1.164 ! Near Maximum !
-01.1 111 45.50 2792 2597 51923 7466 96.2 1.143 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 112 46.00 2828 2664 54120 7537 96.7 1.122 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+01.1 113 46.50 2864 2732 56434 7603 97.2 1.102 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.2 115 47.00 2900 2802 58869 7664 97.6 1.082 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.3 116 47.50 2936 2872 61440 7720 98.0 1.063 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.3 117 48.00 2973 2943 64151 7770 98.4 1.043 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.4 118 48.50 3009 3015 67015 7814 98.7 1.025 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 3% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 3% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 112 46.00 2886 2773 57373 7554 98.3 1.093 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 3% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 112 46.00 2765 2547 50994 7468 94.6 1.154 ! Near Maximum !
It work's in the .243:
Cartridge : .243 Win.
Bullet : .243, 100, Nosler PART SPSemi 16316
Useable Case Capaci: 50.315 grain H2O = 3.267 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.710 inch = 68.83 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-17 *T
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.163% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-11.6 78 38.00 2743 1671 39765 10170 99.8 1.391
-10.5 79 38.50 2776 1711 41260 10252 99.9 1.367
-09.3 80 39.00 2808 1751 42810 10325 100.0 1.345
-08.1 81 39.50 2840 1791 44420 10391 100.0 1.322
-07.0 82 40.00 2871 1831 46091 10453 100.0 1.300
-05.8 83 40.50 2903 1871 47825 10513 100.0 1.279
-04.7 84 41.00 2934 1911 49624 10572 100.0 1.258
-03.5 85 41.50 2965 1952 51491 10631 100.0 1.238 ! Near Maximum !
-02.3 86 42.00 2995 1992 53427 10689 100.0 1.218 ! Near Maximum !
-01.2 87 42.50 3026 2033 55423 10746 100.0 1.199 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 88 43.00 3056 2073 57482 10802 100.0 1.180 ! Near Maximum !
+01.2 89 43.50 3086 2114 59611 10857 100.0 1.161 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.3 90 44.00 3115 2155 61816 10912 100.0 1.143 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.5 91 44.50 3145 2196 64098 10965 100.0 1.125 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.7 92 45.00 3174 2237 66461 11017 100.0 1.108 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.8 94 45.50 3204 2279 68907 11069 100.0 1.091 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 3% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 3% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 88 43.00 3091 2121 60984 10684 100.0 1.152 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 3% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 88 43.00 3016 2020 53959 10935 100.0 1.210 ! Near Maximum !
I noticed you didn't have any varmint cartridge's on your list. So here's a bonus: This looks like a bad day to be a prairie dog.
Cartridge : .243 Win.
Bullet : .243, 55, Nosler BalTip 39565
Useable Case Capaci: 52.674 grain H2O = 3.420 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.710 inch = 68.83 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-17 *T
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-10.0 88 45.00 3414 1423 39397 9727 94.8 1.125
-09.0 89 45.50 3454 1457 40794 9838 95.4 1.107
-08.0 90 46.00 3495 1491 42243 9944 96.0 1.090
-07.0 91 46.50 3535 1526 43747 10044 96.6 1.073
-06.0 92 47.00 3575 1561 45309 10138 97.1 1.056
-05.0 93 47.50 3615 1596 46929 10226 97.6 1.039
-04.0 94 48.00 3655 1632 48611 10308 98.0 1.023
-03.0 95 48.50 3695 1667 50359 10383 98.4 1.007
-02.0 96 49.00 3735 1703 52175 10451 98.8 0.992 ! Near Maximum !
-01.0 97 49.50 3774 1740 54058 10513 99.1 0.976 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 98 50.00 3814 1776 56023 10568 99.3 0.961 ! Near Maximum !
+01.0 99 50.50 3853 1813 58062 10615 99.6 0.946 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 100 51.00 3891 1849 60184 10655 99.7 0.932 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0 101 51.50 3930 1886 62390 10688 99.9 0.917 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 102 52.00 3968 1923 64687 10713 100.0 0.903 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0 103 52.50 4006 1960 67075 10730 100.0 0.889 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 3% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 3% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 98 50.00 3879 1838 59542 10499 99.9 0.936 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 3% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 98 50.00 3741 1709 52657 10566 98.2 0.988 ! Near Maximum !
And I don't think the coyotes wouldn't like this:
Cartridge : .243 Win.
Bullet : .243, 70, Nosler BalTip 39532
Useable Case Capaci: 51.230 grain H2O = 3.326 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.710 inch = 68.83 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-17 *T
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.064% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-10.6 85 42.00 3151 1544 39391 10095 97.3 1.218
-09.6 86 42.50 3189 1581 40823 10200 97.8 1.198
-08.5 87 43.00 3227 1618 42306 10299 98.2 1.179
-07.4 88 43.50 3264 1656 43850 10392 98.6 1.160
-06.4 89 44.00 3301 1694 45450 10477 98.9 1.141
-05.3 90 44.50 3338 1732 47112 10555 99.2 1.123
-04.3 91 45.00 3375 1771 48838 10627 99.4 1.105
-03.2 92 45.50 3412 1809 50629 10691 99.6 1.087
-02.1 93 46.00 3448 1848 52492 10747 99.8 1.070 ! Near Maximum !
-01.1 94 46.50 3484 1887 54424 10795 99.9 1.053 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 95 47.00 3520 1926 56437 10836 100.0 1.036 ! Near Maximum !
+01.1 96 47.50 3556 1965 58530 10869 100.0 1.020 ! Near Maximum !
+02.1 97 48.00 3591 2005 60704 10898 100.0 1.004 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.2 98 48.50 3626 2044 62964 10926 100.0 0.988 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.3 99 49.00 3661 2083 65319 10953 100.0 0.973 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.3 100 49.50 3696 2123 67769 10979 100.0 0.958 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 3% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 3% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 95 47.00 3573 1984 60025 10695 100.0 1.010 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 3% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 95 47.00 3461 1862 53011 10929 99.5 1.065 ! Near Maximum !
Last edited by antelope_sniper; 01/10/21.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
You cannot over estimate the unimportance of nearly everything. John Maxwell
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Varget could work for all the rifles couldn’t it with the 150s in the .300 WM?
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R-17 might be one of the easier powders to find.
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As asked I too vote for varget
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Thanks for all the help on this, I am going to talk to him this week and forward all this info to him. I have some brass for the 243 and 300 WM as well as a set of 300 WM dies for him. I have an old RCBS partner press that I use to carry to the range with me to play with bullet seating depths that he can use until something better shows up. I don't think a scale will be too hard to come by but I have not found any bullets for him yet.
I may not be smart but I can lift heavy objects
I have a shotgun so I have no need for a 30-06.....
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RL17 for most everything I run.
Yup.
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One the rifle side, either version of 4350 or RL-19 is about as close as 1 powder can get; not optimum in all be good enough.
On the pistol side, PowerPistol or Unique will be fine.
MM This ^^^^^^^^^^^^ WB
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Varget is indicated in the hodgdon data fro everything but the 300 Savage, with what appears to be pretty good numbers. I don' know know anything about pistols.
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Varget is indicated in the hodgdon data fro everything but the 300 Savage, with what appears to be pretty good numbers. I don' know know anything about pistols.
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