Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire Shelley Cole, MD on taking the Covid Vaccine

I took the first shot, and in about 2 1/2 weeks will take the second shot. As with anything else, there are "experts" on both sides of the argument, and both sides can present what might be considered a valid argument. I based my decision on the overwhelmingly number of "experts" who endorse taking the vaccine, over those who don't.

You all know that I am a clinician, I take care of patients. That is my first priority. So, when time is left over, I can write. There hasn't been any time to communicate lately. Today, however, I need to get some information out urgently.

Please realize that this message should not be taken lightly and dismissed. In the last few days, I have heard that some patients have been approached to take the vaccine. I'm going to break this down to the top 12 items you need to know about the COVID19 vaccine before drawing any conclusions.

In an attempt to inform you, though, I am not speaking to you specifically as a patient, here are some of important facts you need to know. Then, being informed, you can make your decision to take it or leave it.

1. It is not a vaccine. It does not contribute to vaccinated herd immunity.
Vaccines are a specialized medicine that are given to healthy people to stop them from getting a disease. Vaccines are given to prevent transmission of a virus. The COVID-19 vaccine does not stop you from getting the virus. It has not been proven to prevent transmission. It is not a vaccine.

Because it is not preventing transmission of the virus, it does not achieve vaccinated herd immunity.

2. The experimental "vaccine" only lessens symptoms.
The reported effective rates of over 90%, is in reference to minimizing symptoms, NOT immunizing you against the virus. That is why the CDC is still recommending wearing the mask after you take the "vaccine." You are still at risk of getting the virus.

3. You do not need to be vaccinated if you have already contracted COVID-19.
After you have contracted COVID-19 there is one silver lining... you don't need to be vaccinated. You already have the most robust immune response possible, your natural immune system which is best.

There may be those who argue that you could contract COVID-19 again. Yet, if we look back over history, we find that there is nothing better than the body making the antibodies naturally. Don't forget, you can always support the immune system with Vitamin D and Vitamin C, zinc and quercetin.

The new "vaccine" was purposely studied in those who had not contracted COVID-19 previously, that is expected. So, for those who had COVID-19 and had symptoms or not, taking the "vaccine" is exposing you to a risk that has not been studied. We do not know how the immune system will respond.

4. The "experimental vaccine" uses new technology. No other vaccine currently available is like it.
All current and past vaccines use antigens, a protein substance that the body detects as a pathogen, something that is foreign to us. Some of the COVID-19 vaccines use a modified virus to program our cells to make an antigen. Then, after our cells make the antigen, our immune system fights against it.

For the first time, the immune system is trying to attack something our bodies have made. Will the body consider it "self" or "non-self?" This needs to be studied in great measure before subjecting the public to it. The ramifications of autoimmune disease could be great.

The previous unsuccessful attempts to create a vaccine against SARS-CoV, MERS-CoV and RSV, all coronaviruses, raised similar concerns of antibody-dependent enhancement, or ADE

Understand, you are agreeing to be in a study when you take the COVID19 vaccine. The previous trials did not include people of all age groups. During the Phase 3 trials, healthy individuals were studied, so we do not know what how this medication will affect the young, old or those with medical conditions.

5. The "vaccine" may make you sicker than if you hadn't taken it, especially the elderly.
The vaccine may cause a paradoxical reaction, called ADE Antibody-dependent enhancement. One type of antibodies, non-neutralizing (or enhanced antibodies) actually aide entry of virus into the cell. It is like a trojan horse, escorting the virus into the cell and increasing the viral load inside the cell.

If the person is infected later with the virus, they can have an even more serious reaction than if they hadn't taken the vaccine altogether. Studies show that the elderly may be even more prone to ADE.

"Thus, to conclude, treating physicians need to be wary of the fact that reinfection might be a possible outcome in COVID‐19 patients which may lead to a more severe presentations rather than an innocuous symptoms which the patient initially manifest with."

6. Reports of inflammation have been identified at the placenta of women who become pregnant after the vaccination. Caution if you desire future pregnancies.
The "vaccine" is designed to create antibodies to attack the viral s-protein. It is very similar genetically to the proteins made by the placenta. Some reported cases of inflammation have occurred. I urge extreme caution for those of you that desire future pregnancies. This reaction could affect future childbearing. We just do not know. The "vaccine" has not been studied thoroughly in pregnant women.

7. There are effective, safe, affordable prevention and treatment medications for COVID-19.
During the pandemic, well over 230 studies have shown that hydroxychloroquine is a safe effective affordable medication to prevent and treat COVID-19. Additional supplements including Vitamin D, Vitamin C, Quercetin and Zinc have all been found to beneficial in the treatment of COVID-19. For the cost of over the counter supplements, and a very affordable medication, usually less than $25, the majority of people can be treated. Doesn't it make sense to take something previously used for decades?

8. Deaths due to COVID-19 do not justify the approval an "experimental vaccine."
We now know the death rate for COVID-19 in all ages in the US. The death rate is less than 1% for those younger than 70 years of age. 80% of deaths are over the age of 70 with additional diseases associated. We know that 94% of COVID-19 deaths reported in the US have 2+ additional medical conditions contributing to the total death reported as COVID-19 deaths. Great news! The death rate is very low for most people.

We should focus on the high risk group, those over 70 with multiple diseases to protect from COVID-19. Allowing low risk groups to get the virus, will protect those at risk. Natural herd immunity decreases the risk of exposure for those at high risk.

Deaths due to COVID-19 for the majority of ages is similar to the flu. Would you be willing to take the measures you currently are taking for COVID-19 for the flu?

9. The known risks of vaccines can be serious.
Vaccines currently available have reported know risks including neurological diseases such as transverse myelitis, Bells' Palsy multiple sclerosis, autism, and Guillain-Barre.

There are already reported cases of Bells' Palsy and transverse myelitis and even death with the COVID-19 "vaccine." The FDA limited the Phase 3 trials and shortened the traditional trial periods from 24 months to 2 months. Now, we are the subjects of the study without knowing all of the risks.

10. Results of the "vaccine" trials were reported with less than 200 people.
The trials started with ~43,000, but only 170 people were included in the conclusions that the vaccine was effective at lessening symptoms. Another manufacturer started with 30,000 participants.
Efficacy was calculated based on less than 200 individuals.

Is an analysis of less than 200 people enough to draw conclusions for billions?

11. The pharmaceutical companies and those who administer it are not liable for any damages related to complications of the experimental "vaccine."
The pharmaceutical companies no longer have liability for their products. Physicians or pharmacies who administer the vaccines have no liability either.

What could go wrong with that?

12. The vaccine should be compared to other therapeutic medications to treat symptoms to determine risk vs benefits of the drug.
Whenever you take any medication, ask yourself, is the risk of taking this medication worth the benefit? If the "vaccine" can only lessen symptoms, it should be compared to other medications that do the same, like Tylenol or hydroxychloroquine.

The latter wins the risk vs benefit comparison hands down.

I remain...

committed to your health,

Shelley G. Cole, MD

I took the first shot, and in about 2 1/2 weeks will take the second shot. As with anything else, there are "experts" on both sides of the argument, and both sides can present what might be considered a valid argument. I based my decision on the overwhelmingly number of "experts" who endorse taking the vaccine, over those who don't.

This is a whole new level of idiocy here. First, what does "clinician" mean to you? What's your specific credential?

2. The experimental "vaccine" only lessens symptoms.
The reported effective rates of over 90%, is in reference to minimizing symptoms, NOT immunizing you against the virus. That is why the CDC is still recommending wearing the mask after you take the "vaccine." You are still at risk of getting the virus.

This is a whole new level of idiocy here. First, what does "clinician" mean to you? What's your specific credential?

Ok, line by line of why this is BS:

1. False statement- stopping community transmission was outside the parameters of the trial. The original study question was "will this keep people out of the hospital?" now that they have that answer, they're looking at community transmission which will take more data and time to prove. There's a huge difference between "hasn't been proven by data yet" and "does not happen."

2.see above

3. Vaccine actually causes a greater immune response than natural infection.

4. This point shows a complete and total lack of understanding of vaccines. Many vaccines use live-attenuated viruses which infect the cells, but are a weakened strain that doesn't cause symptoms. They work in the same way in that they make the body's cells make viral proteins which trigger immune response. With your beloved "natural immunity" cells are injected with viral mRNA and make viral proteins. Just like the mRNA vaccine (except the vaccine doesn't code all of the proteins. All immune responses to infection EVER have been the body "attacking something our cells have made."

5. There are questions about safety in hospice patients after a series of adverse reactions in Norway. The issue is worth looking into, but thousands of nursing home residents here have received it with no issue.

6. If you have those reports, I am sincerely interested in reading them

7. Hydroxychloroquine didn't pan out in placebo controlled trials. If there are 230 studies, I challenge you to show me 5.

8. The death rate is not the only marker to be concerned about. There are long term complications (myocarditis, pulmonary fibrosis, complications from VTE) occurring in some people with the virus. Why are the long term effects of a vaccine somehow inherently scarier you than the long term effects of a new virus?

9. Yes, there are serious potential reactions to ANY vaccine. They happen an extremely small percentage of the time. Everyone gets hung up on Bells Palsy for some reason, but it's a documented complication of covid infection too.

10. False. Not a misleading statement, or convenient omission, just a 100 percent lie. I've read the studies and that is horsesh*t.

11. That sounds sketchy until you think about the bigger picture. We're trying to vaccinate hundreds of millions of people in this country. Statistically, with that many, a few will have bad reactions, as they would with ANY treatment (including placebo!). If anyone who had any ill effect could sue the deep pockets of the drug company for tens of millions of dollars, there would be no incentive to develope vaccines in the first place. They wouldn't exist.

12. See #1. Comparing the vaccine to tylenol is absurd, and hydroxychloroquine doesn't measure up.


So why is it that a single doctor who agrees with you is the Gold Standard of evidence, but the consensus opinion of every single professional organization of doctors doesn't matter to you? It's called confirmation bias. You latch onto evidence that supports your world view without giving it appropriate scrutiny.

You're what Communists call a "useful idiot" and will make good subject for our new Socialist government.


"I based my decision on the overwhelmingly number of "experts" who endorse taking the vaccine, over those who don't."

Do your own research! Like looking at the the "vaccine" maker's websites. I looked at Pfizer's website a few days ago and their animal studies found that these "experimental gene therapy" shots will give you ZERO immunity from COVID-19 even after both shots.

This thread didn't go into the bogus PCR tests but if you look at the FDA's website and read about it you'll find out that a positive PCR test result doesn't mean you are infected and a negative PCR test result doesn't mean your aren't infected. A positive test result is a "case". The guy who invented this test says it was intended to be used for research only and not diagnosis. Everybody including Fauci knows that if you cycle (magnify) the test samples more than 35 times you start getting false positive results so it's very to create false positives. Corrupt governments around the world are using this test to keep the new case numbers very high to justify lockdowns and quarantines.

It's apparent you don't want to do anything other than smear her, simply looking at how you began your post.

Look at where she signed the damn thing, where she clarified her specific credential.

Seems the idiocy is in your mirror. It's better for all of us if you keep it there.

A few points:

Ivermectin is experimental at this point with covid. Despite what someone’s gut feeling or OAN news’s said. Since everybody is so dang smart here I assume they can read and understand this article.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(20)30464-8/fulltext

In this study Hydroxychloroquinone didn’t help pre exposure or change much after someone contracted COVID.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanrhe/article/PIIS2665-9913(20)30390-8/fulltext.


I could not find a published article by Shelley G. Cole MD who is a OB/GYN.. she is no expert.

There are NO FDA approved treatments for C-19 disease.

I'm not here to smear anyone, I'm here to object to the lies that are paraded around as science to unquestioning people.

The points she made are demonstratively and objectively false. Someone has to call out this kind of garbage.

Victoro...you nailed it. That's dude's retarded.

The two most effective treatments are well established medications and are too inexpensive to motivate a big pharma company to spend the money needed to get FDA approval.

Personally, I don't give a damn whether or not anyone that posts on here, or anyone else for that matter, takes the vaccine or does not take it. It's your choice, and NO ONE else's. However, as far as I'm concerned, maybe the COVID would be a good way to reduce the number of narrow minded fools, that believe there is a bogeyman behind every tree, and that the government invented this whole thing, just to get control of us.

I'll bet that if that bogeyman did exist, and jumped out from behind that tree and said "boo" to ole Ethan and those like him, they'd chit their britches and cry like a baby.............lol.