24hourcampfire.com
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Hop To
Page 4 of 6 1 2 3 4 5 6
Re: Many are Dying Shortly After Getting Shot [Re: Happy_Camper] #15702736 01/25/21
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 20,890
700LH Offline
Campfire Kahuna
Offline
Campfire Kahuna
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 20,890
The sky is falling

The sky is falling


“During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.” ― George Orwell.

Member GOA,
Idaho 2nd Amendment Alliance,
Life NRA ;(

BP-B2

Re: Many are Dying Shortly After Getting Shot [Re: Happy_Camper] #15702742 01/25/21
Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 23,013
V
Valsdad Offline
Campfire Kahuna
Offline
Campfire Kahuna
V
Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 23,013
Camper dude,

I scrolled through last night's and this morning's posts. Perhaps I missed your reply to my post last evening? If not, I'll ask once again.

Originally Posted by Valsdad
HC,

Please define "Many"

Quote
Many are Dying Shortly After Getting Shot


Percent of the total of those inoculated might be a good place to start.


"Many" can mean different things to different folks.

Thanks in advance for your gracious reply.


The desert is a true treasure for him who seeks refuge from men and the evil of men.
In it is contentment
In it is death and all you seek
(Quoted from "The Bleeding of the Stone" Ibrahim Al-Koni)

member of the cabal of dysfunctional squirrels?
Re: Many are Dying Shortly After Getting Shot [Re: Happy_Camper] #15702773 01/25/21
Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 8,373
H
HuntnShoot Offline
Campfire Outfitter
Offline
Campfire Outfitter
H
Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 8,373
We don't have enough information (and we likely never will) to make claims about what caused the deaths of the people who have died after getting the CV shots (not vaccines). It's just that simple. We can make assumptions, but that's all they will be.

What we can irrevocably state, without making any assumptions other than those inherent within reality, is that everyone dies. Some people will die at times that will skew data curves. There is no causal relationship that can be proved by their deaths. We can't say that the injections harmed them, or that they would have been harmed by the injections if they had not died.

What we can also irrevocably state, without making any assumptions beside those that are inherent within reality, is that every medical procedure involving injection of a foreign substance into the body, will significantly harm some percentage, and kill some percentage. Doctors know this. Drug companies know this. The substance injected does not have to be considered possibly dangerous for this to be the case. More will be harmed or killed if the injected substance carries its own dangers and risks. There is a reason why drug companies are not held liable legally or fiscally for drugs classed as vaccines (even though the CV injections are not vaccines, they are lumped under the same law by recent Act of Congress).

This is why no medical procedure should be mandated. Humans are not even remotely alike when it comes to how each of us copes with our environments, and side-stepping the immune system's basic defenses by injecting something through the skin and directly into a person is going to irreparably harm or kill some number of people.


I belong on eroding granite, among the pines.
Re: Many are Dying Shortly After Getting Shot [Re: Happy_Camper] #15702797 01/25/21
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 23,052
mtnsnake Offline
Campfire Kahuna
Offline
Campfire Kahuna
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 23,052
Covid 19 vaccine is a quantity of chemicals design to help your body defeat or ward off covid 19 virus. It is not really a vaccine. Supposedly there is not covid virus in the injection. Hence the waver when getting injection. Some say it alters DNA. I am not sure what it is. I never had to sign a waver for other vaccine shots.

Vaccine - suspension of weakened, killed, or fragmented microorganisms or toxins or of antibodies or lymphocytes that is administered primarily to prevent disease.

Re: Many are Dying Shortly After Getting Shot [Re: Valsdad] #15703025 01/25/21
Joined: Jun 2020
Posts: 3,399
Happy_Camper Offline OP
Campfire Guide
OP Offline
Campfire Guide
Joined: Jun 2020
Posts: 3,399
Originally Posted by Valsdad
HC,

Please define "Many"

Quote
Many are Dying Shortly After Getting Shot


Percent of the total of those inoculated might be a good place to start.


Actually, I looked at the percentage of those who died from covid diagnosis (of which there is no reliable diagnostic....of which there's no valid diagnostic) and it was less than the common flu. No surprise, because I considered the source.( It has been posted hundreds of times in other threads. )
However, the source said be afraid, be VERY AFRAID. I wonder why?
They destroyed the US economy and manipulated the world into the first stages of martial law with their highly orchestrated scare ops.

Then said source said, I have the solution....."...the final solution," unquote.

Here's just a small fraction of those who suffered adverse reactions and some to the point of death.

https://thehighwire.com/videos/covid-vaccine-reactions-rise-worldwide/
VAERS is grossly underrepresented of actual deaths and adverse rxns.
"
"Guys VAERS is the Vaccines Adverse Effects Reactions System if I remember correctly. Someone will criticize me if I'm wrong of course.
This is the official collection data base for those hospitals, clinics, and nursing homes that want to admit that they screwed up and killed someone or messed a patient up with their "safe and effective" injections."

The descriptions, ages and what information has been provided by the killers is posted in the OP. VAERS Report.

The gts of the world and major controlled media has been shoveling down our throats every day how deadly the "pandemic" is and how they have the solution.
Every time in history that the powers that SHOULDN'T BE have brought about radical draconian changes it's been successfully done by the Problem/Reaction/Soln. Technique. Once you learn this, it is extremely easy to recognize their con.

I can only guess that those who buried their children, brothers, and parents think that their loved ones were not to be sacrificed as guinea pigs for the profit$ of others. That's just a guess based upon observing human nature.
If you want to believe the source and media, go ahead and go for it. I'm not gambling the odds when the house has a proven record of cheating and stealing.

That's all I got today.


Man's Greatest Need.... because life is short.
Are you absolutely 100% sure that you will go to heaven if something happens today?
You can be:
https://youtu.be/WuMTe9l6nzM
IC-A

Re: Many are Dying Shortly After Getting Shot [Re: OldHat] #15703044 01/25/21
Joined: Aug 2017
Posts: 2,606
T
TimberRunner Offline
Campfire Guide
Offline
Campfire Guide
T
Joined: Aug 2017
Posts: 2,606
Originally Posted by OldHat
Originally Posted by KFWA
two more vaccines are coming onto the market - Johnson & Johnson, which I believe is just one shot, not two, and the Astra Zeneca.

I'm hoping that by June anyone that wants a shot can get one.

It is my understanding that both these are viral vector vaccines. Which means they deliver DNA into your nucleus. They use a carrier virus to do that. The DNA then causes your cells to produce mRNA which in turn produces antigens.

Moderna and Pfizer are both mRNA vaccines which use an LNP as the delivery vehicle to get the mRNA into the cells. These skip the DNA part and just induce your cells to produce antigens.

Do your research folks. I don't know, but I don't want foreign DNA in the nucleus of my cells. Which cells are targeted by the vector virus? How long does the DNA stay in the nucleus? All questions I don't know.


That's what most viruses do, integrate their DNA into your DNA.

It makes sense that a viral vaccine should mimic this process.

Re: Many are Dying Shortly After Getting Shot [Re: Happy_Camper] #15703171 01/25/21
Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 23,013
V
Valsdad Offline
Campfire Kahuna
Offline
Campfire Kahuna
V
Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 23,013
Originally Posted by Happy_Camper
Originally Posted by Valsdad
HC,

Please define "Many"

Quote
Many are Dying Shortly After Getting Shot


Percent of the total of those inoculated might be a good place to start.


Actually, I looked at the percentage of those who died from covid diagnosis (of which there is no reliable diagnostic....of which there's no valid diagnostic) and it was less than the common flu. No surprise, because I considered the source.( It has been posted hundreds of times in other threads. )
However, the source said be afraid, be VERY AFRAID. I wonder why?
They destroyed the US economy and manipulated the world into the first stages of martial law with their highly orchestrated scare ops.

Then said source said, I have the solution....."...the final solution," unquote.

Here's just a small fraction of those who suffered adverse reactions and some to the point of death.

https://thehighwire.com/videos/covid-vaccine-reactions-rise-worldwide/
VAERS is grossly underrepresented of actual deaths and adverse rxns.
"
"Guys VAERS is the Vaccines Adverse Effects Reactions System if I remember correctly. Someone will criticize me if I'm wrong of course.
This is the official collection data base for those hospitals, clinics, and nursing homes that want to admit that they screwed up and killed someone or messed a patient up with their "safe and effective" injections."

The descriptions, ages and what information has been provided by the killers is posted in the OP. VAERS Report.

The gts of the world and major controlled media has been shoveling down our throats every day how deadly the "pandemic" is and how they have the solution.
Every time in history that the powers that SHOULDN'T BE have brought about radical draconian changes it's been successfully done by the Problem/Reaction/Soln. Technique. Once you learn this, it is extremely easy to recognize their con.

I can only guess that those who buried their children, brothers, and parents think that their loved ones were not to be sacrificed as guinea pigs for the profit$ of others. That's just a guess based upon observing human nature.
If you want to believe the source and media, go ahead and go for it. I'm not gambling the odds when the house has a proven record of cheating and stealing.

That's all I got today.



Thanks HC guy,

again, very vague, same as "many"

Quote
VAERS is grossly underrepresented of actual deaths and adverse rxns.


Do they have any numbers or estimates besides "grossly underrepresented " that you can post for my enlightenment?


The desert is a true treasure for him who seeks refuge from men and the evil of men.
In it is contentment
In it is death and all you seek
(Quoted from "The Bleeding of the Stone" Ibrahim Al-Koni)

member of the cabal of dysfunctional squirrels?
Re: Many are Dying Shortly After Getting Shot [Re: TimberRunner] #15703380 01/25/21
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 2,715
O
OldHat Offline
Campfire Guide
Offline
Campfire Guide
O
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 2,715
Originally Posted by TimberRunner
Originally Posted by OldHat
Originally Posted by KFWA
two more vaccines are coming onto the market - Johnson & Johnson, which I believe is just one shot, not two, and the Astra Zeneca.

I'm hoping that by June anyone that wants a shot can get one.

It is my understanding that both these are viral vector vaccines. Which means they deliver DNA into your nucleus. They use a carrier virus to do that. The DNA then causes your cells to produce mRNA which in turn produces antigens.

Moderna and Pfizer are both mRNA vaccines which use an LNP as the delivery vehicle to get the mRNA into the cells. These skip the DNA part and just induce your cells to produce antigens.

Do your research folks. I don't know, but I don't want foreign DNA in the nucleus of my cells. Which cells are targeted by the vector virus? How long does the DNA stay in the nucleus? All questions I don't know.


That's what most viruses do, integrate their DNA into your DNA.

It makes sense that a viral vaccine should mimic this process.

Many viruses are RNA viruses. They do not have DNA to integrate. Coronaviruses are RNA viruses. So even in a normal SARS-CoV-2 infection there is no viral DNA in our nucleus. The viral vector vaccines use adenovirus which is a DNA virus. So with a normal infection no DNA in our cells. With a viral vector vaccine new DNA in our cells. I don't know what which cells are targeted by these vaccine or what happens to the co-opted cells.

That said the viruses that do place DNA in our nucleus often result in later disease, herpes comes to mid. Having foreign DNA in my cells is not something I want.

Last edited by OldHat; 01/25/21.
Re: Many are Dying Shortly After Getting Shot [Re: Idaho_Shooter] #15703396 01/25/21
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 2,715
O
OldHat Offline
Campfire Guide
Offline
Campfire Guide
O
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 2,715
Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
Originally Posted by OldHat
Originally Posted by KFWA
two more vaccines are coming onto the market - Johnson & Johnson, which I believe is just one shot, not two, and the Astra Zeneca.

I'm hoping that by June anyone that wants a shot can get one.

It is my understanding that both these are viral vector vaccines. Which means they deliver DNA into your nucleus. They use a carrier virus to do that. The DNA then causes your cells to produce mRNA which in turn produces antigens.

Moderna and Pfizer are both mRNA vaccines which use an LNP as the delivery vehicle to get the mRNA into the cells. These skip the DNA part and just induce your cells to produce antigens.

Do your research folks. I don't know, but I don't want foreign DNA in the nucleus of my cells. Which cells are targeted by the vector virus? How long does the DNA stay in the nucleus? All questions I don't know.


Does not every cold, flu, and other viral pathogens inject RNA or DNA directly into the nucleus of your cells?

Yes, many do, but they are diseases. Herpes, papillomavirus and HIV for example lie dormant in healthy cells and it's not good. Not all use the nucleus, though. The point is that just because viruses do it does not mean it's a good thing to have in your body. I want more data on long tern affects.

Re: Many are Dying Shortly After Getting Shot [Re: Idaho_Shooter] #15703401 01/25/21
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 2,715
O
OldHat Offline
Campfire Guide
Offline
Campfire Guide
O
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 2,715
Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter

Does not every cold, flu, and other viral pathogens inject RNA or DNA directly into the nucleus of your cells?

RNA, yes.

It is my understanding that some virus are RNA, while some others are DNA.

This is true, and their life cycle is often crazy complicated.

IC-B

Re: Many are Dying Shortly After Getting Shot [Re: mtnsnake] #15703410 01/25/21
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 2,715
O
OldHat Offline
Campfire Guide
Offline
Campfire Guide
O
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 2,715
Originally Posted by mtnsnake
Covid 19 vaccine is a quantity of chemicals design to help your body defeat or ward off covid 19 virus. It is not really a vaccine. Supposedly there is not covid virus in the injection. Hence the waver when getting injection. Some say it alters DNA. I am not sure what it is. I never had to sign a waver for other vaccine shots.

Vaccine - suspension of weakened, killed, or fragmented microorganisms or toxins or of antibodies or lymphocytes that is administered primarily to prevent disease.

This is how older vaccines work. New vaccines use RNA or DNA which is often engineered in the lab.

Re: Many are Dying Shortly After Getting Shot [Re: Happy_Camper] #15703417 01/25/21
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 2,715
O
OldHat Offline
Campfire Guide
Offline
Campfire Guide
O
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 2,715
BTW - I'm not saying these vaccines are dangerous. My position is simply I want MORE data on LONG term affects.

Re: Many are Dying Shortly After Getting Shot [Re: Happy_Camper] #15703486 01/25/21
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 56,937
rockinbbar Offline
Campfire Oracle
Offline
Campfire Oracle
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 56,937
Damn y'all!

Looked at the title, and was hoping the Portland cops did what they needed to do since day one. whistle


~Molɔ̀ːn Labé Skýla~
~Liberal Stupidity Has Now Exceeded Their Ignorance~
Re: Many are Dying Shortly After Getting Shot [Re: Happy_Camper] #15703499 01/25/21
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 9,255
tedthorn Online Content
Campfire Outfitter
Online Content
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 9,255
I recieved my first shot this past Friday......still here


Maker of the Frankenstud Sling Keeper
Re: Many are Dying Shortly After Getting Shot [Re: Happy_Camper] #15703713 01/25/21
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 13,315
johnw Offline
Campfire 'Bwana
Offline
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 13,315

Quote
Many are Dying Shortly After Getting Shot


Bullet placement is everything...


"Chances Will Be Taken"

If you could reason with a Democrat there wouldn't be any Democrats...
Re: Many are Dying Shortly After Getting Shot [Re: OldHat] #15703716 01/25/21
Joined: Aug 2017
Posts: 2,606
T
TimberRunner Offline
Campfire Guide
Offline
Campfire Guide
T
Joined: Aug 2017
Posts: 2,606
Originally Posted by OldHat
Originally Posted by TimberRunner
Originally Posted by OldHat
Originally Posted by KFWA
two more vaccines are coming onto the market - Johnson & Johnson, which I believe is just one shot, not two, and the Astra Zeneca.

I'm hoping that by June anyone that wants a shot can get one.

It is my understanding that both these are viral vector vaccines. Which means they deliver DNA into your nucleus. They use a carrier virus to do that. The DNA then causes your cells to produce mRNA which in turn produces antigens.

Moderna and Pfizer are both mRNA vaccines which use an LNP as the delivery vehicle to get the mRNA into the cells. These skip the DNA part and just induce your cells to produce antigens.

Do your research folks. I don't know, but I don't want foreign DNA in the nucleus of my cells. Which cells are targeted by the vector virus? How long does the DNA stay in the nucleus? All questions I don't know.


That's what most viruses do, integrate their DNA into your DNA.

It makes sense that a viral vaccine should mimic this process.

Many viruses are RNA viruses. They do not have DNA to integrate. Coronaviruses are RNA viruses. So even in a normal SARS-CoV-2 infection there is no viral DNA in our nucleus. The viral vector vaccines use adenovirus which is a DNA virus. So with a normal infection no DNA in our cells. With a viral vector vaccine new DNA in our cells. I don't know what which cells are targeted by these vaccine or what happens to the co-opted cells.

That said the viruses that do place DNA in our nucleus often result in later disease, herpes comes to mid. Having foreign DNA in my cells is not something I want.


You've already got a ton of viral genomic material in your cells. Many of those viruses that have infected you don't even have names.

Re: Many are Dying Shortly After Getting Shot [Re: rockinbbar] #15703730 01/25/21
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 31,173
S
smokepole Offline
Campfire Oracle
Offline
Campfire Oracle
S
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 31,173
Originally Posted by rockinbbar
Damn y'all!

Looked at the title, and was hoping the Portland cops did what they needed to do since day one. whistle



I thought the thread was about a weekend in Chicago.



A wise man is frequently humbled.

Re: Many are Dying Shortly After Getting Shot [Re: Happy_Camper] #15703734 01/25/21
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 18,134
sse Offline
Campfire Kahuna
Offline
Campfire Kahuna
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 18,134
many are dying shortly before getting shot

Last edited by sse; 01/25/21.

The Word Association Game thread, gone but not forgotten...

Regards, sse

Re: Many are Dying Shortly After Getting Shot [Re: Happy_Camper] #15703771 01/25/21
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 13,546
G
gunswizard Offline
Campfire 'Bwana
Offline
Campfire 'Bwana
G
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 13,546
The undefined term "many" unsupported by any credible facts or figures is the poster's attempt to create panic, doubt and resistance to taking the vaccine.

Re: Many are Dying Shortly After Getting Shot [Re: Happy_Camper] #15703914 01/25/21
Joined: Jan 2014
Posts: 143
A
AML Online Content
Member
Online Content
Member
A
Joined: Jan 2014
Posts: 143
If you don't want to get the shot, just don't. You can do that without all the drama.

Page 4 of 6 1 2 3 4 5 6

Moderated by  RickBin, SYSOP 

RR1
Who's Online Now
845 registered members (10ring1, 12344mag, 01Foreman400, 1234, 06hunter59, 007FJ, 93 invisible), 1,749 guests, and 742 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
RR2/3




END RIGHT 300x250 AD TAG ZONE B5 -->






Fish & Game Departments | Solunar Tables | Mission Statement | Privacy Policy | Contact Us | DMCA
Hunting | Fishing | Camping | Backpacking | Reloading | Campfire Forums | Gear Shop
Copyright © 2000-2020 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
 
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.3
(Release build 20190728)
PHP: 7.3.27 Page Time: 0.046s Queries: 15 (0.005s) Memory: 0.9044 MB (Peak: 1.0948 MB) Data Comp: Zlib Server Time: 2021-03-02 20:54:43 UTC
Valid HTML 5 and Valid CSS