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Have a handful of these and some H414 I was thinking of working up a load for. Any experience with that combo?
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No experience with H414 but those 95’s are killers. Purple meanies my boy calls em’. Good luck
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Yes. Layne Simpson wrote an article years ago about common myths in the gun world. One of the myths was pet loads - loads that shoot good in all rifles. He found that to largely be a myth with two exceptions. One of those was 42.0gr of H414/W760 with 95/100gr bullets in the 243.
That load has shot very well for me in three different rifles.
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H414 makes great lawn fertilizer.
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Yes. Layne Simpson wrote an article years ago about common myths in the gun world. One of the myths was pet loads - loads that shoot good in all rifles. He found that to largely be a myth with two exceptions. One of those was 42.0gr of H414/W760 with 95/100gr bullets in the 243.
That load has shot very well for me in three different rifles. I had a couple Ruger 243s, that I tried that load in... and for some reason, they liked to loosen the primer pockets on the first shot... backed it off to 40 grains of H 414, and it liked that very much... and so did the brass... the 95 Ballistic Tip is never a wrong answer in a 243 or a 6 mm Remington...nor the 95 grain Partition either...
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I just can't be a fan of 760/414. Have seen too many loads go from being great to blowing primers with temp swings. Not my thing. I remember being in a LGS and a young guy working the counter was talking about this very thing, because it had happened to him, and I had to explain temp sensitivity of powders to him. Or, at least I tried. He and his co-worker kept giving me stymied looks like I was speaking Portuguese, and their final consensus as I walked away was that if such things exist, they aren't ever significant enough to cause a problem.
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I just can't be a fan of 760/414. Have seen too many loads go from being great to blowing primers with temp swings. Not my thing. I remember being in a LGS and a young guy working the counter was talking about this very thing, because it had happened to him, and I had to explain temp sensitivity of powders to him. Or, at least I tried. He and his co-worker kept giving me stymied looks like I was speaking Portuguese, and their final consensus as I walked away was that if such things exist, they aren't ever significant enough to cause a problem. That's why you do your load work with 760 and similar ball powers in the middle of summer.
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I just can't be a fan of 760/414. Have seen too many loads go from being great to blowing primers with temp swings. Not my thing. I remember being in a LGS and a young guy working the counter was talking about this very thing, because it had happened to him, and I had to explain temp sensitivity of powders to him. Or, at least I tried. He and his co-worker kept giving me stymied looks like I was speaking Portuguese, and their final consensus as I walked away was that if such things exist, they aren't ever significant enough to cause a problem. That's why you do your load work with 760 and similar ball powers in the middle of summer. I tried that. But then the point of impact on my loads in freezing temps wasn't even close, and the accuracy wasn't there either. It's a one-trick pony that way. I still keep it around for some cast bullet applications. That's about it.
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I just can't be a fan of 760/414. Have seen too many loads go from being great to blowing primers with temp swings. Not my thing. I remember being in a LGS and a young guy working the counter was talking about this very thing, because it had happened to him, and I had to explain temp sensitivity of powders to him. Or, at least I tried. He and his co-worker kept giving me stymied looks like I was speaking Portuguese, and their final consensus as I walked away was that if such things exist, they aren't ever significant enough to cause a problem. That's why you do your load work with 760 and similar ball powers in the middle of summer. I tried that. But then the point of impact on my loads in freezing temps wasn't even close, and the accuracy wasn't there either. It's a one-trick pony that way. I still keep it around for some cast bullet applications. That's about it. That’s why I do both with temp sensitive powders. Winter load, summer load. Usually especially with my swift/22.250 using H380 the winter load is just fine until about 75-80 degrees.
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Yes. Layne Simpson wrote an article years ago about common myths in the gun world. One of the myths was pet loads - loads that shoot good in all rifles. He found that to largely be a myth with two exceptions. One of those was 42.0gr of H414/W760 with 95/100gr bullets in the 243.
That load has shot very well for me in three different rifles. I'd like to read this article to see exactly what were his definitions and testing parameters. Certainly I can't make statements about a given load shooting well in all rifles, or a "pet" load being the very best shooting load for a particular rifle. I will say that there are loads out there quite likely to shoot very well, well enough often enough to be useful as shakedown cruise test loads for new rifles.
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Interesting notes on temperature sensitivity. I have seen similar issues in the 2506 with RL 22.
Personally I'm not worried about working this load up in cold weather as it will be a deer hunting load and won't get shot during summer. I have other loads I can use if I decide to shoot woodchuck. Was just looking to put 38 bullets to good use. I'll report back after I run a couple test loads down the pipe
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I shoot 95's out of my 243 but I use RL17. They straight hammer deer, never had to shoot one more than once. If you can get an accurate load with H414, the bullets won't disappoint you.
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H414 makes great lawn fertilizer. ^^^^^ 
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Yes. Layne Simpson wrote an article years ago about common myths in the gun world. One of the myths was pet loads - loads that shoot good in all rifles. He found that to largely be a myth with two exceptions. One of those was 42.0gr of H414/W760 with 95/100gr bullets in the 243.
That load has shot very well for me in three different rifles. Kinda conflicts with MD's "Loads that Work" recommendations....
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H4350 fixes most problems...
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H4350 fixes most problems... I have some of that and run it behind 85gr Spitzer. Works very well.
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I use more W760 in my 243's than anything else. I've never had a 243 that wouldn't group well with 45 grains of W760 and the 85 grain Sierra BTHP. But, while 760 works well for the lighter bullets, I usually have gotten my best accuracy with the 95 and 100 grain bullets with IMR4350.
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I'd like to read this article to see what exactly what were his definitions and testing parameters. Certainly I can't make statements about a given load shooting well in all rifles, or a "pet" load being the very best shooting load for a particular rifle. I will say that there are loads out there quite likely to shoot very well, well enough often enough to be useful as shakedown cruise test loads for new rifles.
I tried to find the magazine, but I think it was a victim of a toilet backup/overflow a couple of years ago. Pretty sure it was in a Shooting Times from the early-2000s.
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Dunno about Layne, but Rick Jamison made a similar statement in print, as I recall in SHOOTING TIMES.
That has not been my experience. Have encountered a number of loads that work very well in different rifles chamber for the same round, from the .17 Hornet up to .375 H&H. Which is why my next book is not going to be THE BIG BOOK OF GUN GACK 4, but THE LITTLE BOOK OF RIFLE HANDLOADS THAT WORK.
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Dang, John... you’ve got me thinking. Guess it could have been Rick, but I sure thought it was Layne.
Either way, the information was as stated and where I discovered that combo to try. I’ll keep looking.
BTW, I look forward to your new book!
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