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Ive cited tens of thousands of sources of safari hunters, PH's of note, outfitters. ..
IIRC all you cited was some forum websites. Including a search to 37,000 posts on 375 as a bigbore, including plenty of conversations from the above fellas I noted. I guess recall aint your strong point. Who are the individual gunwriters and PHs and .375 manufacturers that consider .375 a medium?
You should have all that at your fingertips. huh? why should I be searching your side of the argument?
You seem like a puppy with a new toy called the internet and you are trying to overturn what has been considered a medium for generations.
Just wondered if this is your final edit Starman? You post about 6 times to the one reply. You are like a dog worrying a boot that is a little big for it. At first you are not sure where to startt, then after a couple chews you pick up speed and your post gets bigger. Speaks of a fella who really doesnt like others opinions Regards overturning views on big game rifles. Again they change every couple decades being the point. 577 was a smallbore once, even 450 nitro was a medium. 375 has been considered big in levers since 1978 for a start. We will just have to agree to disagree.
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I'd say there are a lot more users of GI than a hunting forum and it seems they agree .375 ain't a big bore.
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Regards overturning views on big game rifles. Again they change every couple decades being the point. 577 was a smallbore once, even 450 nitro was a medium. ...
.375 had been known as medium since release and many decades following , but you think it has changed every 20 yrs or so into something else ? email H&H to ask them what they classify .375 to be and see if they changed anything. since 1912. .
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Regards overturning views on big game rifles. Again they change every couple decades being the point. 577 was a smallbore once, even 450 nitro was a medium. ...
.375 had been a know as medium since release and many decades following , but you think it has changed every 20 yrs into something else ? email H&H to ask them what they classify .375 to be and see if they changed anything. since 1912. . We covered this. Firstly the calibre 375 isnt owned by H&H and H&H once considered anything under 577 medium or small bore. Also you could email winchester and its pretty clear what they consider a 375 win Or do they need to check that with H&H Aka opinions do change over time. I believe the popular opinion is that 375 is a bigbore. Most the conversations about 375 place it with 400, 458 etc and this is why the places with all the conversations on bigbores aka forums will include 375. We have to agree to disagree.
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I believe the popular opinion is that 375 is a bigbore. . Guns International traffic at nearly 2 Millon visits per month says you are wrong. . Firstly the calibre 375 isnt owned by H&H and H&H once considered anything under 577 medium or small bore.
What do H&H currently consider .375 cal.?
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"The .338 Winchester Magnum is part of a fairly small class of “medium-bore” cartridges between our all-American .30 and .375 (and/or 9.3mm, .366-caliber), which is where “dangerous game cartridges start.” Bullet diameters include 8mm (.323-inch), .33, and .35. "
Craig Boddington - May 29, 2019 [Big medicine for our big deer]
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"The .338 Winchester Magnum is part of a fairly small class of “medium-bore” cartridges between our all-American .30 and .375 (and/or 9.3mm, .366-caliber), which is where “dangerous game cartridges start.” Bullet diameters include 8mm (.323-inch), .33, and .35. " Craig Boddington - May 29, 2019 [Big medicine for our big deer] Again, also Boddington Holland & Holland's .375 goes clear back to 1912, but among Americans its real popularity starts in 1937 when it became one of the early offerings in the Winchester Model 70. For the next half-century it was America's favorite big bore--ready for Africa's big stuff, Alaska's biggest bears and all-around use as needed."
And Jack Lott GunsandAmmo Hunting "This book is about bigbore riflres, the 'supers', once the special ordance of professional hunters and wealthy sportsman. Back in 1937, when winchester introduced the Model 70 and included the 375H&H, the previous US view of the 30-06 as a "bigbore" was made obsolete"
If those two knowledgeable gents and a slew of other 'notable writers' consider the 375 a bigbore when it suits them, thats enough for anyone.
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As I have posted several times the different manufactures know that 375 market will bear the same pricing as 416 and 45.
Sure you can but a 338 M70 Super Grade BUT it is available in the standard price rifles whereas the 375 is not. You can buy a 340 in the Wby Safari BUT it is available in the Mark v Synthetic but the 378, 416 and 460 have as entry point the Mark V Deluxe. Want a fibreglass stock rifle in 378, 416 or 460 then the DGR is it.
At the end of the day the very bottom line no bull sh it is what are people prepared to pay.
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Starman we can keep posting information at each other all day.
The fact of the matter is there are plenty of folks saying the 375 is a bigbore, both high level writers( which personally I dont give a hoot about, but fellas like you do), vast numbers of hunters etc.
You can provide evidence of it being also called a medium bore sure, and I agree. And maybe in a world vote it would get voted more medium, who knows?
Another way of saying it is if I wanted to call it a bigbore its not wrong (according to experts and general consenusus) And if you want to call it medium, well there is plenty of consensus for that too.
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As I have posted several times the different manufactures know that 375 market will bear the same pricing as 416 and 45.
And again there are numerous makers that command about the same for a list of calibres under .375 as they do .375 Sako also had at least 5 models of .375 that were not Safari or express grade. Std, dlx, super dlx, classic , Fibreclass ,
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The fact of the matter is there are plenty of folks saying the 375 is a bigbore,
As I said. nearly 2 million users per month at Guns International use the system with the understanding .375 ain't classed as BB.
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As I have posted several times the different manufactures know that 375 market will bear the same pricing as 416 and 45.
And again there are numerous makers that command about the same for a list of calibres under .375 as they do .375
Sako also had at least 5 models of .375 that were not Safari or express grade. Std, dlx, super dlx, classic , Fibreclass , Is Sako 85 Safari in 338. What about Dakota Safari/African.
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Is Sako 85 Safari in 338. What about Dakota Safari/African.
You never seen a Sako Safari or Dakota African in 338 win..?.. What about .300win and 9,3x62, you never seen those in Safari grade from Sako or Dakota ? https://www.dakotaarms.com/firearms/model-76/model-76-safari.htmlWhat really annoyed me about Sako was that it was avail.in 300win not .300H&H , otherwise I would have taken the plunge.
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The fact of the matter is there are plenty of folks saying the 375 is a bigbore,
As I said. nearly 2 million users per month at Guns International use the system with the understanding .375 ain't classed as BB. Starman YOU were the one who decided forums arent iimportant, and that notable gun writers carried more weight. So then I posted a bunch of US writers who consider 375 a bigbore...including two of the most notable, Jack Lott and Boddington when it suits him. Now you bounce back the other way. Jack lott gets thrown out the window because he no lomger supports your side of the debate. Good heavens man, talk about painting yourself into a corner.
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You made it clear numbers on the internet are the deciding factor in your mind. Now you are defeated by your own logic....TFF. Starman YOU were the one who decided forums arent iimportant,
Guns International isnt a social chat forum , its a business tool for wheeling and dealing in firearms globally...anything from the average Joe up to the Big name bespoke manufacturers and respected traders in such pre-owned firearms. ..Jack lott gets thrown out the window because he no lomger supports your side of the debate.
I didnt say anything about Mr Lott. but here's what Lott states in his articles ..
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Give one of those very light barrel German or Japanese 378s to a 416 Taylor owner to shoot off the bench and then convince them that their 416 Taylor is a big bore and the 378 a medium bore
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Give one of those very light barrel German or Japanese 378s to a 416 Taylor owner to shoot off the bench and then convince them that their 416 Taylor is a big bore and the 378 a medium bore Recoil, nor powder capacity increases the bore size. A Remington model 600 in 308 win bruised my shoulder in 3 shots, no 375 has ever hurt me like that, but the 308 is still not a bigbore and neither is the 375s
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Nope.....just for myself, personally I see 40+ as big bores! memtb
My thought's as well! You can do a lot with 40 and up,,,,, Like Jim said ! The 375 might keep you from getting bloody. But the 40 cal and up high powered rifle carts get the work done faster and easier. irl animals and situations sometimes aren't in or don't stay in a perfect situation to afford a perfect shot . Sometimes they are jacked up on adrenaline . If you only hunt heavy or dangerous game with a backup shooter. Then its not as much of an issue. But if your rifle Has to get the work done. As a friend on Chichagof Is that is a bear guide, says. Wider Is Better ! As long as you can hit well and soon with it !
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