Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Express Rifles and Big Bores Only Is 375 where big bore starts?

Including a search to 37,000 posts on 375 as a bigbore, including plenty of conversations from the above fellas I noted. I guess recall aint your strong point.



huh? why should I be searching your side of the argument?



Just wondered if this is your final edit Starman? You post about 6 times to the one reply. You are like a dog worrying a boot that is a little big for it. At first you are not sure where to startt, then after a couple chews you pick up speed and your post gets bigger. Speaks of a fella who really doesnt like others opinions

Regards overturning views on big game rifles. Again they change every couple decades being the point. 577 was a smallbore once, even 450 nitro was a medium. 375 has been considered big in levers since 1978 for a start.

We will just have to agree to disagree.

I'd say there are a lot more users of GI than a hunting
forum and it seems they agree .375 ain't a big bore.

.375 had been known as medium since release
and many decades following , but you think it has
changed every 20 yrs or so into something else ?

email H&H to ask them what they classify .375
to be and see if they changed anything. since 1912.
.

We covered this. Firstly the calibre 375 isnt owned by H&H and H&H once considered anything under 577 medium or small bore.

Also you could email winchester and its pretty clear what they consider a 375 win Or do they need to check that with H&H

Aka opinions do change over time. I believe the popular opinion is that 375 is a bigbore. Most the conversations about 375 place it with 400, 458 etc and this is why the places with all the conversations on bigbores aka forums will include 375.

We have to agree to disagree.

Guns International traffic at nearly 2 Millon visits per month says you are wrong.




What do H&H currently consider .375 cal.?

American Gun writers referring to 375 cal as a bigbore.

So starting from the top. CRAIG BODDINGTON

CRAIG BODDINGTON January 04, 2011 By Craig Boddington

"A season's worth of experience shows the gold standard for African cartridges is still a great choice.
By Craig Boddington

Holland & Holland's .375 goes clear back to 1912, but among Americans its real popularity starts in 1937 when it became one of the early offerings in the Winchester Model 70. For the next half-century it was America's favorite big bore--ready for Africa's big stuff, Alaska's biggest bears and all-around use as needed."




Jack Lott
GunsandAmmo Hunting
"This book is about bigbore riflres, the 'supers', once the special ordance of professional hunters and wealthy sportsman. Back in 1937, when winchester introduced the Model 70 and included the 375H&H, the previous US view of the 30-06 as a "bigbore" was made obsolete"



Also

https://www.shootingtimes.com/editorial/375-ruger-416-ruger-big-bore-cartridges/385528
https://www.outdoorlife.com/story/hunting/best-big-bores-for-your-first-african-safari/
https://gundigest.com/rifles/hunting-rifles/choosing-a-big-bore-cartridge-and-rifle
https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2018/6/11/remembering-the-375-winchester-cartridge




The list goes on...;)

next you will be telling me you know better than your own 'notable' gun writers.

"The .338 Winchester Magnum is part of a fairly small class of “medium-­bore” cartridges between our all-­American .30 and .375 (and/or 9.3mm, .366-­caliber), which is where “dangerous game cartridges start.” Bullet diameters include 8mm (.323-­inch), .33, and .35. "

Craig Boddington - May 29, 2019
[Big medicine for our big deer]

Again, also Boddington




And Jack Lott



If those two knowledgeable gents and a slew of other 'notable writers' consider the 375 a bigbore when it suits them, thats enough for anyone.

As I have posted several times the different manufactures know that 375 market will bear the same pricing as 416 and 45.

Sure you can but a 338 M70 Super Grade BUT it is available in the standard price rifles whereas the 375 is not. You can buy a 340 in the Wby Safari BUT it is available in the Mark v Synthetic but the 378, 416 and 460 have as entry point the Mark V Deluxe. Want a fibreglass stock rifle in 378, 416 or 460 then the DGR is it.

At the end of the day the very bottom line no bull sh it is what are people prepared to pay.

Starman we can keep posting information at each other all day.

The fact of the matter is there are plenty of folks saying the 375 is a bigbore, both high level writers( which personally I dont give a hoot about, but fellas like you do), vast numbers of hunters etc.

You can provide evidence of it being also called a medium bore sure, and I agree. And maybe in a world vote it would get voted more medium, who knows?

Another way of saying it is if I wanted to call it a bigbore its not wrong (according to experts and general consenusus) And if you want to call it medium, well there is plenty of consensus for that too.

And again there are numerous makers that
command about the same for a list of calibres
under .375 as they do .375

Sako also had at least 5 models of .375 that
were not Safari or express grade.
Std, dlx, super dlx, classic , Fibreclass ,

As I said. nearly 2 million users per month
at Guns International use the system with
the understanding .375 ain't classed as BB.

Is Sako 85 Safari in 338. What about Dakota Safari/African.

You never seen a Sako Safari or Dakota African
in 338 win..?..

What about .300win and 9,3x62, you never seen
those in Safari grade from Sako or Dakota ?

https://www.dakotaarms.com/firearms/model-76/model-76-safari.html

What really annoyed me about Sako was that it
was avail.in 300win not .300H&H , otherwise
I would have taken the plunge.

Starman YOU were the one who decided forums arent iimportant, and that notable gun writers carried more weight.

So then I posted a bunch of US writers who consider 375 a bigbore...including two of the most notable, Jack Lott and Boddington when it suits him.

Now you bounce back the other way. Jack lott gets thrown out the window because he no lomger supports your side of the debate.

Good heavens man, talk about painting yourself into a corner.

You made it clear numbers on the internet
are the deciding factor in your mind.

Now you are defeated by your own logic....TFF.



Guns International isnt a social chat forum , its a
business tool for wheeling and dealing in firearms
globally...anything from the average Joe up to the
Big name bespoke manufacturers and respected
traders in such pre-owned firearms.



I didnt say anything about Mr Lott.
but here's what Lott states in his articles ..

Give one of those very light barrel German or Japanese 378s to a 416 Taylor owner to shoot off the bench and then convince them that their 416 Taylor is a big bore and the 378 a medium bore

Recoil, nor powder capacity increases the bore size. A Remington model 600 in 308 win bruised my shoulder in 3 shots, no 375 has ever hurt me like that, but the 308 is still not a bigbore and neither is the 375s

Like Jim said !

The 375 might keep you from getting bloody. But the 40 cal and up high powered rifle carts get the work done faster and easier.
irl animals and situations sometimes aren't in or don't stay in a perfect situation to afford a perfect shot . Sometimes they are jacked up on adrenaline .
If you only hunt heavy or dangerous game with a backup shooter. Then its not as much of an issue. But if your rifle Has to get the work done. As a friend on Chichagof Is that is a bear guide, says. Wider Is Better !
As long as you can hit well and soon with it !