Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Savage Collectors Confirming Models On 1899 & 99 please

Two Savages, pix below. One, "1899" marked, I believe Model 250-3000 w/quite aged red pad. (At one point, was a red pad available?) Yet perhaps bugger... This rifle out of serial range at 247K, early 1923?

Other is just confirming a Model 99F takedown carbine 20" barrel in 30-30, Lyman folding aperture rear sight, 282K, as 1925. My 'assumption' that the like model "H" differed in not being a takedown. Correct? It's pretty much all original and the folding sight appears a factory option.

Honorable mention: My 1899A , 30-30, all original @ very nice 76K sn & 1908 & 99H, .250, 373K sn of 1935, barrel band, integral ramp, Lyman Alaskan scope in Stith Mounts!

Thanks for kind expertise!
Best & Stay Safe!
John

By 247xxx, 1923, the model 1899 250-3000 had become the model 99G, even though the receiver ring continued to be marked 1889 for a few more years. I believe the can is thought to be around 234xxx.

I think the 282xxx may be 1926, Calhoun??? Yes, 99F.

Well, the red pad was never a factory option, although at first glacnce it does not look like the wood has been cut flat to accept it. You may just need a replacement steel butt plate to put it back right.

99H barrel band 250, you say? With a stith scope mount you say? I'd be interested to see that set-up

Yeah, I have that as very early 1926 by serial number.

iskra, the switch from "1899" to "99" was a marketing name change in 1921/1922, not physical changes. So they catalogued them as 99's, but still stamped the receiver ring 1899. They knew what you meant either way, because it was the same rifle underneath.

Btw, your later 99 at 373,xxx would be a 1938 rifle, not 1935. That's a tough model/cartridge to find.

My 99F takedown has a 293xxx serial that places it in 1927. I don't remember if Savage started a new series of numbers at the start of each year. Here's a photo of the curve on the butt stock (and it's replacement stock).

Gentlemen, thanks so much! The expertise is appreciated. A moment to acknowledge the late Doug Murray, whose "Savage 99" book has been my continued reference. (Also his Marlin 336 book.) It was the former at page 3-25 regarding the 1899 .250, I found a reference under "Butt-plate", the comment: "Shot-gun type rubber butt standard." Pinging off that, 'stretched assumption' perhaps plate standard. As far as replacing, I suppose a test fit from the later 99F pictured might suggest whether a fit. The devil in the detail concerning a delicate hardened red pad shown; removal process as damage prone. I'll probably continue to 'suffer' it under my watch. Also, unseen in limited photos, a cracked & brass-pinned forend repair. Decently accomplished, yet quite noticeable! The 'net'; patient doing as well as to be expected considering age. (I'm there too!)

Jeff, per your request re the Model H carbine... Pix below as benefit of file photos in computer! Added sling swivels - notably piercing the barrel band ouch! The carbine exactly as I acquired it in early nineties.

Too many guns, too little time!
Best & Stay Safe!
John

That is a nice 99H, it is type V3-2 per Rick Edmonds research that is published in my book, p. 66.

Page 3-25 is about the model 1899H, not the model 250-3000. The 1899H had a hard rubber buttplate as standard before World War I, the model 250-3000 always had a steel buttplate.

Murrays is a very good guide.. but it has mistakes and we've learned a lot since it was written. It's okay though, we're happy to share.

The thick rubber butt plate available back then looks more like a slightly thicker "plastic butt plate" than the thick red "recoil" pad.

This is my 1912 H T/D in 22HP, with the rubber plate Murry states as being standard. I just took an end pic but I'm afraid I'll loose this trying to load that. I'll post that pic in a minute.

Rubber butt plate per page 3-25.

Nice "H".

I don't think your guestion as to a non-take down Model F was answered. The sold frame version was the Model E.

[quote=Rick99]Nice "H".

I don't think your guestion as to a non-take down Model F was answered. The sold frame version was the Model E.[/quote

Thanks Rick, Ironsights, called me last Thursday and told me my Malcolm was ready, and in the mail. So you know what I'm doing all day? They cleaned, relamenated and replaced the lenses, and took the dent out of the tube. She said they weren't having any trouble with the mail, I'm still waiting.

looks like a waste of effort to me. those screw heads would be as uncomfortable as a stock plate i'd bet