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Re: All Purpose Rifle [Re: WITUfan] #15790041 02/15/21
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Since he doesn’t seem to be into rifles like the rest of us loonies, 30-06 is the way to go. Never need another cartridge in North America no matter the game or hunt he finds himself on in the future. Also ammo will be much easier to find with a variety of options from lighter deer loads up to heavy elk loads. Stainless synthetic due to ease of maintenance, in case he doesn’t always clean it when he gets home right away. Tikka would be my pick, best shooting factory rifles I’ve ever shot, seem to like any load you use in them.
I just bought myself a kimber hunter in 30-06 as my do it all backcountry rifle, that lightweight setup can be a bit tricky to shoot. The tikka is also on the lighter side but I have never had a problem getting accuracy out of them.
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Re: All Purpose Rifle [Re: WITUfan] #15790048 02/15/21
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Any "all purpose" rifle/cartridge is going to depend on what you intend to use it for, or maybe what it might be called upon to shoot. Here where I live, a whitetail deer is the biggest animal I'll need to shoot, unless global warming drives the grizzly bears into my area, which in that case would dictate a much larger caliber rifle.

I look at 243 as being the best all purpose cartridge here, and one could even say that an AR in 223 might be even better suited as an "all purpose" rifle. An AR could be used for hunting and anything else you might need a rifle for. Though I'm a huge fan of bolt guns, a good dependable AR in 223 would be my first choice for a one rifle that would cover all my needs..................if it ever came to that.

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I would get him a Tikka T3 Stainless Lite in 308.
Maybe get a McMillan stock if you feel generous.
It will last him a lifetime, handle any weather and climate.
If he starts loving rifles, as well as hunting, he will probably upgrade to Walnut and Blued steel.

Explain him this is a stupid simple gun.
Its made better then 95% of all new American rifles.
Its field strippable and the trigger will handle dust and dirt better then nearly anything.

Tikka looked at the Sako TRG-22 sniper rifle, made to function in all out winter warfare against Russia.
Shaved of a few lbs and gave it a single stage trigger..

And Taaadaaa... a Hunting Rifle.


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Re: All Purpose Rifle [Re: WITUfan] #15790330 02/15/21
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He has a perfect all around hunting rifle right now. Ammo is available for it too. I'd consider getting more, because once it's gone, it will be a while before any rolls off the lines. If it doesn't have a great scope, an upgrade there could be nice. If you are planning on buying him a new rifle, you need to plan the ammo out too. It will remain scarce through the next year.

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Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
He has a perfect all around hunting rifle right now. Ammo is available for it too. I'd consider getting more, because once it's gone, it will be a while before any rolls off the lines. If it doesn't have a great scope, an upgrade there could be nice. If you are planning on buying him a new rifle, you need to plan the ammo out too. It will remain scarce through the next year.



Agree. No need for light 06 bullets if he's got a 257. (This was why I asked earlier if he really needs an "all around" rifle or just one for sruff elk sized and up.) I'd stockpile components and then he's set for decades... regardless of whether he gets a new gun or not.

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Re: All Purpose Rifle [Re: WITUfan] #15790862 02/15/21
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Originally Posted by WITUfan
I know there have been countless threads on here regarding what folks would get if they were looking for one do it all rifle. I sort of did the one rifle thing for years out of necessity (poverty) and got along nicely with a Ruger Mk II in .30/06. I love that rifle, still use it, and it will be my last rifle to leave if I have to part with some. My question, however, is what to buy for my son. He has for several seasons shot a Winchester FW Classic in .257 Roberts and has had good success on whitetails. We are hoping to add pronghorn this fall. He enjoys hunting but is simply not as into rifles like I am (yes, I bought the Roberts because it is pretty and I think it is cool - he never gives that a thought). Unless his interests change, he will probably be the guy who goes out and buys a box or two of factory ammo, checks zero and goes hunting. He is a teenager now and big enough that I don’t worry about recoil and am thinking it is time to buy him a “bigger” rifle. I am thinking about his “do it all” rifle. Sure, he will have access to stuff in my safe, but a man needs his own rifle(s).

I am very partial to my old Ruger and have thought about finding him one of those. I also have considered another Winchester FW so he will basically have a set. Sometimes I think the smarter choice would be something stainless and synthetic. I have pretty much decided .30/06 is the way to go. I know there are plenty of great all around cartridges, but for a multi-purpose big game rifle that is likely to see lots of factory ammo, I think the old /06 is hard to beat.

So, I have plenty of time on this. I am thinking this rifle will be for Christmas next year and I plan to take my time looking. I am, however, trying to think this through before I start looking. I am curious what the folks on The Fire think. Ruger, Winchester, wood, synthetic . . . what would you be looking for?


Sound wisdom WITUfan. My choice is Winchester but, it's your money so your choice.


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Re: All Purpose Rifle [Re: WITUfan] #15790989 02/15/21
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I only read a coupls pages but the first post from the OP seem's to me say's it all. Your trying to push him into something he doesn't seem overly excited about! I strongly suspect anything he might want to hunt can be well handled by his 250-3000! Why would he need anymore? If he actually wanted something different he could buy it I'd think. If he can't afford to buy it or simply doesn't want to, it will add nothing new to the deal for him. Let him alone. Who knows maybe one day he'll come ask you the question you asked here, maybe he won' t too!

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Get him one like yours. a Ruger Hawkeye in 30-06 would be tough to top if a guy had only 1 rifle. Hell, even a .270. shocked

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Re: All Purpose Rifle [Re: MontanaMarine] #15791093 02/15/21
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Originally Posted by MontanaMarine
For someone who isn't a reloader/enthusiast, The time tested 270, 30-06, or 308 still make a lot of sense.

The 6.5 Creedmoor doesn't have the history, but seems like a sensible all-arounder too.


This seems like good advice to me.

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I killed my first deer when I was 12 years old with a Win.94 in 30.30. It was a family rifle. I hated the 30-30 because of its limited range. Any deer beyond 200 yards or so was pretty safe. My own first rifle was a Rem.721 in 30.06 with a 4x Weaver. I was 15. Deer at 200 years were in lots of trouble. Loved that rifle. Have used lots of different rifles and calibers since then( I'm 78 now) but none have served me any better than that 30.06.

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If it's going to be an "all purpose" rifle, it need to be able to take large and medium game, but also put down an entire platoon of Antifa thugs in less than ten seconds. .308:

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Re: All Purpose Rifle [Re: Pappy348] #15791350 02/15/21
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Originally Posted by Pappy348
Have you asked him if he wants another rifle? Maybe he’s good with what he has and might want say, a shotgun, or a dedicated varmint or target rifle. Might not be a bad idea to feel him out a bit on what HE wants to do.


Still the best reply.

It sounds like the kid is quite content with what he's been using. From your description, he seems to have good facility with, and confidence in, the FW Roberts. My take would be to let HIM be the driver of IF, and WHEN to do any change-up.

My own experience is that I was thrilled when my Dad bought me my first rifle when I was 11. And in all the time since, I've discovered that I'd never buy that rifle, or chambering, for myself. I made it work, for a time, but nothing about it felt natural to me. I'll never sell it, but I certainly reach for many others when heading to the field, before that one.

There's nothing wrong with letting your son handle/shoot the other rifles in your collection, & telling him what you like about each, and why. It could be, though, that he already views that FW Roberts as HIS personal sweet spot, and there's not a thing wrong with that. It likely just means that he's more mature & responsible than the vast majority of us 'round here...

And for GOD'S SAKE, don't ever let him get on 24HCF, lest he become aware that that all of his choices in rifles, optics, women, booze, food, and life in-general, are horseschidt. wink

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Re: All Purpose Rifle [Re: WITUfan] #15791448 02/15/21
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I’d take a Win FW, Ruger Hawkeye, or Kimber 84M in .308 or .30-06 as an all around rifle for sure.

My good buddy has a .25-06 and posed the same question when he decided he wanted to kill a black bear. I told him I’d never argue with a man who wanted to buy a new rifle but that with a 115- or 120-Gr Nosler Partition that it’s work on black bear or even elk just fine.


He ended up buying a Ruger Hawkeye .308 Win here, but as confident as he is w/ that .25-06 I don’t know it’ll get much use. We’ll see maybe he’ll enjoy the .308 just as much.


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Let him keep rolling what he’s rolling until it fails to work.

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In this specific instance, I disagree with those who are pushing for something else "small." A fellow with a good shooting .257 Roberts, who is going to get one more rifle, doesn't need to step up to a 6.5, 7-08, or 7x57 (I love them all! There's not a thing wrong with them, but they are just not that big of a step up).
If I was buying for my son (and kind of wanted it to be a surprise, as the suggestions to just ask him are also valid), I think I would look long and hard for a FWT Stainless 30-06 with the composite stock. So he has the identical form-factor and functioning as his current Roberts, and a caliber that will not only fill in for the Roberts if need be, but also cover anything else he is likely to hunt. And, if the deer or pronghorn hunting weather is really nasty, he can leave that really nice Roberts at home and take the stainless/composite '06 that day.

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Too many I's and not enough He's. Sounds like you're going to make the kid hunt, with what you want him to hunt with, whether he wants to or not..

Why not let him know there's a rifle of his choice waiting if/when he wants to get serious about hunting?

Then let him get on with his life?

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Originally Posted by GeoW
TWhy not let him know there's a rifle of his choice waiting if/when he wants to get serious about hunting?

Then let him get on with his life?

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OP explained from the beginning that his son likes to hunt, but just isn't into thinking or caring a lot about what rifle he uses, other than making sure it's sighted in. Nothing wrong with that. Nothing wrong with dad getting him a new one, with which son can do with as he pleases.

Seriously, if he's bored with the one cool bolt rifle he owns, I would consider getting him an accurate semi-auto. That might light his fire in becoming more interested in rifles or not. But getting him another bolt gun that won't do anything that the one he already has will do, probably will get a yawn from him. Maybe get him some short-range compact big-bore or handgun cartridge lever action. I personally wouldn't ask him what he wants. Surprise is much of the benefit of getting a good gift.

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Originally Posted by WITUfan
I am sure he will continue to shoot the .257 Roberts. It is a wonderful round. I am just planning to pair it with a bigger cartridge so he is better prepared for elk or bear or whatever other opportunities come along.


Nothing wrong with a .257 Roberts for bear or elk. Its not ideal perhaps but it works. In my early teens I inherited some guns from an older relative. I latched on to 3 Win 70s, all pre 64s. One was a .257 Roberts .. my favorite. Another was an '06 .. it worked. The third was a .375 H&H .. which I didn't "need" but it was a hell of a lot of fun.

There are better bullets for the .257 today than I had. Couple years ago I had a Kimber Montana in .257. It didn't shoot good but if it had, it would have been my final / one and only rifle. Loaded with 120 grain partitions and placing them appropriate it will kill the [bleep] out of any elk that walks. Or any black bear.

So I'm not sure you truly need to buy him something else based on capability. The one thing I might consider is more flexibility of ammo availability in these times of ammo shortage. That counts against the '06, not for it. The common stuff sells out first, the weird [bleep] is the last to go. Last saturday I went for a mosey around town hitting my regular reloading component sources. There was no powder, no primers, no brass. For bullets, there were some 6mms, more .25s, some .277 and a very few 7mms. No .22, 6.5, or .30 at all. Zero.

One approach might be to focus on gathering components to load the things you've already got rather than spreading out buying new rifle calibers on the off chance what you'll find someday works with them but not with what you've got now. That's the approach I'm taking for now.

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I would not do anything until there is some indication from him that HE wants another rifle. If hunting is his thing and if he develops an interest in rifles, he will let you know what he wants and when he wants it. Then, you can guide him in HIS decision. Until then, save your money. $.02.

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For most any teenage boy that “wants” to hunt/shoot.....a 30-06 in no way has too much recoil! My first rifle, bought at age 14, weighed 7 1/4 pounds and had a hard plastic butt plate! I shot that rifle a lot, prior to scoping it after about 6 years of use. If the young man “wants” to....he can! If he doesn’t “want” to......hell even a 6.5 CM will be too much! memtb


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