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Re: Night vision scopes [Re: ShortMagFan] #15808859 02/19/21
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Originally Posted by ShortMagFan
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Why the crazy magnification on thermals? If a 2-10 normal scope works for hunting deer in the daylight why do I need 16 or 32x to hunt pigs at night?


Really and truly, I never use the magnification on my night vision or thermal either.

When you use the base magnification you are looking at your clearest picture.

With the Wraith the base magnification on the one I have is 4 power. You click the zoom one notch it goes to 8 power... It doubles, but the clarity is cut in half. Click it up one notch and it goes to 16 power, but again, clarity is cut in half... so your clarity is 1/4 of what it is on the base magnification.

With my thermal, the same applies.

Most of what I see people using magnification for is looking long distances to try and identify animals. But remember, your clarity suffers when you zoom in, so identification is harder and less certain. wink I hardly ever use more than base magnification when identifying animals at long range either.

So figure out what device has the best base magnification for your hunting needs and conditions.

Really and truly, you don't need much magnification to hunt accurately and shoot accurately. When I sighted in my Super Hogster on base magnification of 3 power, and a distance of 100 yards, I used a small hand warmer. These are the final two shots...

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Re: Night vision scopes [Re: Sharpshooter97] #15808868 02/19/21
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I currently run a 1x/2x Clip on in front of a 1-4 Trijicon....I’ve shot anything I wanted inside 300 with that combo. I might occasionally appreciate 6-8x, but not at the expense of resolution, either. Super crisp 1x beats blurry 6x, in my book. True optical zoom beats digital, with image quality, also....or seems to me.

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Re: Night vision scopes [Re: Sharpshooter97] #15809212 02/19/21
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I had to work last night, so while sitting in my office i got online and checked out the availability, found one local. It's now at home with me and I'm working on learning how to operate it.

Re: Night vision scopes [Re: rockinbbar] #15811622 02/19/21
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rockinbar, I seem to recall you are using your Wraiths on a .308 AR, and the last time I noticed, you were not having any issues about them handling the recoil (which they are rated for, anyway).

Re: Night vision scopes [Re: tjm10025] #15813140 02/20/21
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Originally Posted by tjm10025

rockinbar, I seem to recall you are using your Wraiths on a .308 AR, and the last time I noticed, you were not having any issues about them handling the recoil (which they are rated for, anyway).



Yessir, the Wraith handles the recoil of the .308 fine. Also have used the Wraith on 7.62x39 & .223.


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Re: Night vision scopes [Re: rockinbbar] #15813208 02/20/21
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So - a Wraith 2-16 would degrade to half quality image at 4x (at night)? Well chit.


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Re: Night vision scopes [Re: MtnBoomer] #15813261 02/20/21
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Originally Posted by MtnBoomer
So - a Wraith 2-16 would degrade to half quality image at 4x (at night)? Well chit.



That's correct.

Not just the Wraith, but any NV or thermal optic system that uses a resolution screen. (all of them)


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Re: Night vision scopes [Re: rockinbbar] #15813312 02/20/21
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Originally Posted by rockinbbar
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So - a Wraith 2-16 would degrade to half quality image at 4x (at night)? Well chit.



That's correct.

Not just the Wraith, but any NV or thermal optic system that uses a resolution screen. (all of them)

Thanks... Still likely to buy a Wraith, eventually.

Keep the reports coming! Much appreciated.


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Re: Night vision scopes [Re: MtnBoomer] #15813335 02/20/21
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Originally Posted by MtnBoomer
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So - a Wraith 2-16 would degrade to half quality image at 4x (at night)? Well chit.



That's correct.

Not just the Wraith, but any NV or thermal optic system that uses a resolution screen. (all of them)

Thanks... Still likely to buy a Wraith, eventually.

Keep the reports coming! Much appreciated.



The thing about losing resolution as you gain magnification is to get a decent base resolution... The resolution at lowest power.

If it has a better picture at the base, it doesn't hurt to bump it up a bit. The Wraiths are okay for that.


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Re: Night vision scopes [Re: rockinbbar] #15814171 02/20/21
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I can see that a man probably needs more than one of these.

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Re: Night vision scopes [Re: Sharpshooter97] #15815089 02/20/21
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Already looking at a 2 power.....

Re: Night vision scopes [Re: rockinbbar] #15815268 02/20/21
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Originally Posted by rockinbbar
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Why the crazy magnification on thermals? If a 2-10 normal scope works for hunting deer in the daylight why do I need 16 or 32x to hunt pigs at night?


Really and truly, I never use the magnification on my night vision or thermal either.

When you use the base magnification you are looking at your clearest picture.

With the Wraith the base magnification on the one I have is 4 power. You click the zoom one notch it goes to 8 power... It doubles, but the clarity is cut in half. Click it up one notch and it goes to 16 power, but again, clarity is cut in half... so your clarity is 1/4 of what it is on the base magnification.

With my thermal, the same applies.

Most of what I see people using magnification for is looking long distances to try and identify animals. But remember, your clarity suffers when you zoom in, so identification is harder and less certain. wink I hardly ever use more than base magnification when identifying animals at long range either.

So figure out what device has the best base magnification for your hunting needs and conditions.

Really and truly, you don't need much magnification to hunt accurately and shoot accurately. When I sighted in my Super Hogster on base magnification of 3 power, and a distance of 100 yards, I used a small hand warmer. These are the final two shots...

[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]

That's impressive

Re: Night vision scopes [Re: Sharpshooter97] #15815271 02/20/21
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Some of that thermal stuff is really impressive but damn expensive. Would be neat though

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Yea, when I dropped 2 grand for a Nightforce, I felt guilty....

Thermal says "Hold my beer" to my wallet.

I have to lead up to stuff like that, and I won' say that I won't have a 3+ grand thermal before it's all over, but I'm trying like hell not to do it now...

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Re: Night vision scopes [Re: Sharpshooter97] #15815835 02/20/21
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I did play with my new Wraith last night in the field in front of my house, but as rockinbbar pointed out, an aftermarket illuminator is needed. Hog Sniper says they'll have some units in stock the 22nd, I gonna keep an eye on their page.

Don't mind the .45-70 cases, another project, done now.


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Nice, Vic! smile

Don't forget to get a bulk package or two of Energizer Ultimate Lithium AA batteries.

Those are the best I've found.

It won't be long until I have my external battery packs ready to go, I hope.

I've come up with a slick way to mount and have a 10k mAh battery system that's rechargeable and will run NV and thermal scopes for a couple nights hunting. Then just plug it in and recharge it!

Keeps you from going down the battery rabbit hole as well... wink


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Dang I was getting ready to start a thread for info on night vision/thermal. I am wanting to get something myself mostly for yotes. Want to stay under $1500. Not needing too of the line, shots are going to be inside of 200 yards 98% of the time. I haven't read up on the Wraith line up yet,but Thanks for the info,gotta do more reaseach now that inwas enlightened on ATN service.


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Re: Night vision scopes [Re: Sharpshooter97] #15815998 02/20/21
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Thanks, b-bar.

I'm thinking along the lines you suggest for batteries, I know they will be a "consumable". Glad you suggested a brand, keeps me from trying out a bunch just to see who's best.

One of those power supply battery-thingies for a cell phone is on the a-list.

Update...bat-trees ordered.

Re: Night vision scopes [Re: Sharpshooter97] #15818102 02/21/21
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Ye have been warned...(ESP the ATN part..grin...)

First it’s “entry level”...
Then it’s middle of the road...
Then it’s dual NODs and a thermal...
Then it’s NV/Thermal overlay NODs...
Then it’s clip on thermal/NV...
Sell everything and go full thermal...
Damn I miss my NV...sell everything and start over...
Back to weapon mounted laser/illuminators and NODs...
Buy more thermal...

Rabbit hole for sure!

Re: Night vision scopes [Re: Vic_in_Va] #15818154 02/21/21
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Originally Posted by Vic_in_Va
I did play with my new Wraith last night in the field in front of my house, but as rockinbbar pointed out, an aftermarket illuminator is needed.


I hear you on the aftermarket illuminator. But how far did the Wraith illuminator work for you?

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