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GOD Bless America
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A G29 would leave no doubt if they were hit.
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Goes to show how important handgun selection could be.
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Since he had a permit jn Chicago, im guessing Firfighters are "Special" like cops and politicians?
Shame that's my first thought but I have known a few gun owners who lived in Chitcago. It ain't easy.
One of us normal people would have been legally required to be helpless.
This video could easily be used by our opposition. Don't think I would have used it to put out there as an example.
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So....
If the victim would have had a Glock, the perp running away, firing blindly over his shoulder could not have hit the victim in the abdomen?
...Actually Sycamore, you are sort of right....
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So....
If the victim would have had a Glock, the perp running away, firing blindly over his shoulder could not have hit the victim in the abdomen? With sixteen or eighteen rounds onboard, he could have laid down a lot of fire, anchoring the bad guy down quickly, and/or sapping enough of his (the bad guy's) confidence that he wouldn't have attempted return fire while running away. He also needed to use two hands.
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A Glock may have helped, but shooting skills would have been even better.
Getting hit with a round fired over the shoulder by the criminal means the poor man had a huge dose of bad luck, and there is nothing that can prevent that except killing the shooter before he fires. But that's much easier said than done. No matter how much you train and no matter how much skill you have "luck" can and sometimes does come into play for both good and ill. There is not a way to fight to the death in total safety.
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Should of dropped the popcorn.
Instinctive reaction to sudden stress is to hold whatever is in your hands tighter. That didn't help the victim in this case.
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Absolutely, but if the attacker had been down for the count due to the defender's flurry of two handed fire form a (e.g.,) a Glock 19, he wouldn't have had the opportunity for a lucky shot. Defender also should have remained behind the car. I think he ran out after the guy due to lack of confidence in his marksmanship as the range to the bad guy was stretching out longer.
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I didn't listen to the video. I skimmed it real quick. The best tactical option for the victim was to keep the vehicle between himself and the attacker rather than pursue him once he started retreating.
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Should of dropped the popcorn.
Instinctive reaction to sudden stress is to hold whatever is in your hands tighter. That didn't help the victim in this case. Exactly right, I'm glad the guy made a point of saying it.
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Don't have a Glock. But I have a Ruger Security 9 that I bought, in part, because it came with 2 15 round magazines.
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Running out from behind the car and into the open was his fatal flaw...
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Cover and concealment are a thing.
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His biggest error was living in Chicago.
Next would be missing his target from point blank range.
No do overs. That first round was the one he needed to connect with. Not having 15 rounds wasn't the cause of missing.
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I guess that car was worth dying for
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