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Originally Posted by OldmanoftheSea
They should have just turned up the juice output.


Limiting output for emissions in an emergency is like trying to defend your store from armed attack but limiting yourself to the self imposed one box per customer rule...


Not that easy. Private companies run the plants. The feds will yank their licenses and fine them out of existence if they exceed emission standards without permission.

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If you’ve got 30 minutes watch this. This was a green energy failure and piss poor execution and planning.


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What it all boils down to is Texas fugged up and they want to blame something or someone for the fact their grid wasn’t capable of handling this situation.

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Originally Posted by BeanMan
What it all boils down to is Texas fugged up and they want to blame something or someone for the fact their grid wasn’t capable of handling this situation.



Nope.

There are agencies in Texas where the blame mostly goes... And Texas wants them not only held accountable, but want the problem fixed, because it gets worse every time it happens.


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Originally Posted by BeanMan
What it all boils down to is Texas fugged up and they want to blame something or someone for the fact their grid wasn’t capable of handling this situation.


The grid isn’t capable of handling the situation because it is reliant on green energy that has taken an overly large portion of generation responsibility because of a market distorted by government subsidies.

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Originally Posted by JoeBob
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What it all boils down to is Texas fugged up and they want to blame something or someone for the fact their grid wasn’t capable of handling this situation.


The grid isn’t capable of handling the situation because it is reliant on green energy that has taken and overly large portion of generation responsibility because of a market distorted by government subsidies.


Not only that, but traditional electric suppliers were mandated to invest in green energy as well.

Local electric coop had no choice but to direct money to green energy. They weren't and aren't happy about it either.

When govt picks the winners, we all lose


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Not according to your Texas Congressman Rep Michael McCaul. He said the Texas Grid is not connected to any other Grid.

Plus he said 75% of the problem was cause by the freeze up of the Gas and Coal part of the energy production, because

they did not purchase vale heaters and other things. Question is many other states experienced the same weather

but Texas is the only one that the system went down. It appears to be a internal Texas problem. Now Texas need to fix it.

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In that video I posted he even talks about banks refusing to lend money to oil and gas producers. They are doing the same thing to them that they are doing with guns and gun manufacturers.

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Originally Posted by GunTruck50


Not according to your Texas Congressman Rep Michael McCaul. He said the Texas Grid is not connected to any other Grid.

Plus he said 75% of the problem was cause by the freeze up of the Gas and Coal part of the energy production, because

they did not purchase vale heaters and other things. Question is many other states experienced the same weather

but Texas is the only one that the system went down. It appears to be a internal Texas problem. Now Texas need to fix it.










Well, then he is a dumbass who doesn’t know his ass from a hole in the ground.

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Posted 2-18-2021
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Originally Posted by JOG
Green energy has little to do with it. The plants were not built to withstand cold weather - it's that simple.

You're 100% wrong.

Green Energy was 100% responsible for this energy shortage in Texas.

The last three FAKE CONSERVATIVE Governors, which includes our present Governor (Abbott helped Perry), got on their knees with the commie Greenies, to get the middle votes and some on the left, to slowly start converting the "reliable" Texas power grid to Carbon Neutral. Around 2009 they shut down three Coal fired plants, and starting building the Windmill and Solar farms to replace "reliable" Natural Gas / Coal fired plants.

To do it correctly, you "have" to have redundancy in the system (Coal/Nat Gas Plants) to cover the Green Energy (Solar/Windmill Farms) production when a shortage develops from going down in a severe cold spell, like we are experiencing. For the numbers to look good for Green Energy, and to brainwash the stupid in public into believing the numbers work and Green Energy is cheaper, the Greenie commies DO NOT leave redundancy in the system, because to leave redundancy in means you have to keep it "maintained' (COST) and ready to step in when needed in an emergency. The maintenance numbers and final TOTAL COST makes Green Energy more expensive than Natural Gas / Coal fired plants, and drives the cost higher all the way down to the customer, thus the reason they do not keep redundancy (BACKUP) in the system. When the Green Energy (Solar / Windmill) production dropped out, there was zero backup and no way to supply the full demand of energy being called for.

Secondly, these green commies couldn't leave the "RELIABLE" Natural Gas Pipeline compressor system alone either. They pulled the DECADES long "reliable" Natural Gas fueled engines off the Natural Gas pipelines that were fueled with the Natural Gas from the pipeline, and replaced them with electric motors run from Solar panels. Those Solar panels being used to provide electricity to run the electric motors powering the compressors went offline just like the Solar farms went offline. This means homes and power plants were not receiving fuel for power and heat from the idled pipelines. The commies in MSM, like Bill Gates, are stating the pipelines weren't prepared for the freeze. He is outright lying. You can't "freeze" Natural Gas or Propane at these temperatures, but you can cover up the Solar panels with snow and shut the compressors down.

That's the whole story in a nut shell. This incident proves beyond a Shadow of Doubt, Green Energy does not work and is horribly unreliable, and is only a means to strip taxpayers of their monies from ultimately driving energy costs up, and forcing the public into life threatening situations (depopulation).


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Our Co-op was mandated to get some %of their power from solar and or wind.

They did it but like most things from .gov it won't work in the real world.

The power we get is hooked up to 2 states north of us.

They have been beating that drum that we needed to join ercot.

So far it has not happened.Hope it never does.

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Originally Posted by rockinbbar
Originally Posted by JoeBob
Originally Posted by BeanMan
What it all boils down to is Texas fugged up and they want to blame something or someone for the fact their grid wasn’t capable of handling this situation.


The grid isn’t capable of handling the situation because it is reliant on green energy that has taken and overly large portion of generation responsibility because of a market distorted by government subsidies.


Not only that, but traditional electric suppliers were mandated to invest in green energy as well.

Local electric coop had no choice but to direct money to green energy. They weren't and aren't happy about it either.

When govt picks the winners, we all lose


And when corksuckers pick the govt, we're fughked.


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biden is not president. Why would anyone do what he says especially his crack head laws and policies?


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Well your Governor pretty much agreed with the Congressman That the problem was caused by not winterizing the system . Are they both lying?

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Originally Posted by ElkSlayer91
Posted 2-18-2021
https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbt...2-degrees-for-n-tx-tomorrow#Post15806329

Originally Posted by JOG
Green energy has little to do with it. The plants were not built to withstand cold weather - it's that simple.

You're 100% wrong.

Green Energy was 100% responsible for this energy shortage in Texas.

The last three FAKE CONSERVATIVE Governors, which includes our present Governor (Abbott helped Perry), got on their knees with the commie Greenies, to get the middle votes and some on the left, to slowly start converting the "reliable" Texas power grid to Carbon Neutral. Around 2009 they shut down three Coal fired plants, and starting building the Windmill and Solar farms to replace "reliable" Natural Gas / Coal fired plants.

To do it correctly, you "have" to have redundancy in the system (Coal/Nat Gas Plants) to cover the Green Energy (Solar/Windmill Farms) production when a shortage develops from going down in a severe cold spell, like we are experiencing. For the numbers to look good for Green Energy, and to brainwash the stupid in public into believing the numbers work and Green Energy is cheaper, the Greenie commies DO NOT leave redundancy in the system, because to leave redundancy in means you have to keep it "maintained' (COST) and ready to step in when needed in an emergency. The maintenance numbers and final TOTAL COST makes Green Energy more expensive than Natural Gas / Coal fired plants, and drives the cost higher all the way down to the customer, thus the reason they do not keep redundancy (BACKUP) in the system. When the Green Energy (Solar / Windmill) production dropped out, there was zero backup and no way to supply the full demand of energy being called for.

Secondly, these green commies couldn't leave the "RELIABLE" Natural Gas Pipeline compressor system alone either. They pulled the DECADES long "reliable" Natural Gas fueled engines off the Natural Gas pipelines that were fueled with the Natural Gas from the pipeline, and replaced them with electric motors run from Solar panels. Those Solar panels being used to provide electricity to run the electric motors powering the compressors went offline just like the Solar farms went offline. This means homes and power plants were not receiving fuel for power and heat from the idled pipelines. The commies in MSM, like Bill Gates, are stating the pipelines weren't prepared for the freeze. He is outright lying. You can't "freeze" Natural Gas or Propane at these temperatures, but you can cover up the Solar panels with snow and shut the compressors down.

That's the whole story in a nut shell. This incident proves beyond a Shadow of Doubt, Green Energy does not work and is horribly unreliable, and is only a means to strip taxpayers of their monies from ultimately driving energy costs up, and forcing the public into life threatening situations (depopulation).


Redundancy is the key as stated here. Green policies did the same thing here in Oklahoma and losing natural gas compressors (and resulting lower line volume during high demand) caused these problems. The redundancy of natural gas powered compressors or a big old heaping stack of coal is the cure and having those historically reliable systems available and the problem goes away. If green energy worked it would not have to be subsidized . Just one more area that common sense needs to prevail in....


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Or....green energy has faults that need discovered and rectified. And it takes these kinds of events to highlight those faults and drive folks to engineer solutions.

I don’t particularly like hydro dams, windmills, solar panels, ect... I fully expect they cause environmental damage to the same or greater extent as fossil fuels, just through different mechanisms. There is no free lunch.

But, fossil fuels are a finite resource and humans seem hell bent on exploiting different energy resources, so it seems inevitable that we will need to make those other energy resources more reliable.

No one is going back to fossil fuels. Not for the foreseeable future.


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Originally Posted by JoeBob
If you’ve got 30 minutes watch this. This was a green energy failure and piss poor execution and planning.




Now it makes sense.

Huge demand.

Green sources shut down due to ice and snow.

Management was asleep at the wheel, allowed fossil fuel plants to become over taxed and automatically shut down.

They started rolling blackouts (too late) to protect remaining facilities
from damage and shutting down.

Some of the blackouts were to natural gas production/transportation facilities. Cutting off the gas supply to customers and POWER GENERATION
facilities. Causing more natural gas generators to go off line.

The generation facilities weren't properly winterized to protect from freezingm
so when they shut down, they froze. At least enough equipment that they
couldn't start.


Listen to this long enough though, he gets stupid.

Calling for a Pittsburgh accord.
Make everyone clean their air like we did in Pittsburgh!
We didn't "clean the air".

The facilities producing the world's best steel, great jobs, and the
dirty air, closed. We really don't want that to be the model.


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Originally Posted by rockinbbar
Originally Posted by GunTruck50


Not true Texas is all by itself. A Texas State Congressman just said so on National TV minutes ago. Texas warned ERCOT to winterize its

Production plants after the 2011 problems. They all ignored the warning. He also said the Texas grid is independent of the other grids.

Information I have is they have purchased Energy from Mexico. 99% of the problem lies with ERCOT no winterizing there grid. Most of this information is from a Texas Congressman

I did not catch his name.


It's just not that simple.

Besides ERCOT, the Texas legislature, and the Texas Railroad Commission are involved in the grid as well.


Is there money involved?

Lot's of money?


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Originally Posted by GunTruck50

Not according to your Texas Congressman Rep Michael McCaul. He said the Texas Grid is not connected to any other Grid.
Plus he said 75% of the problem was cause by the freeze up of the Gas and Coal part of the energy production, because
they did not purchase vale heaters and other things. Question is many other states experienced the same weather but Texas is the only one that the system went down. It appears to be a internal Texas problem. Now Texas need to fix it.

When you discuss a topic, it is wise to be educated on it without having to rely on what others state....otherwise you look like a dumbazz when you show you have no clue what you are talking about....like thinking natural gas can freeze at the temperatures we experienced and it shutting the pipelines down.

You do realize natural "GAS" is in a gaseous stage, and has to be cooled to liquify before it can then go on to freezing stage correct?

Care to guess what the CRYOGENIC temperature is Natural GAS FREEZES at....idiot?


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