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Cape buffalo! Which 416 would you build? #15823646 02/22/21
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Looking at a mausingfield action with a manners eh2 or similar.
Probably feed it with aics mags in apa metal. What 416 case would you push the 400 A frame with.
Ruger ,Rigby, Remington or Weatherby.

I’m leaning towards ruger for availability and cost.
What do the experts say.

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I am all about oddball or over the top customs that only make since to me but this one is out there in my book... yes the 416 Ruger is a good choice but all the cartridges listed as well as the 416 Taylor will get you there. I have the 416 Ruger Alaskan platform. Fits me well enough, CRF, slick action, integral mounts and decent iron sights. Not much not to like. Especially for the price of entry.

Why all your other choices? Mausingfield? AICS DBM? EH2? Seems like there would be many other good ways to skin that cat. Not trying to drag you... but would like to hear your thoughts as to why this could be “the one?”


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It’s just a bunch of parts I have used less the mausingfield that work very well. I’m Considering BDL but still tossing it around.
Once I have scratched my Africa itch it will timber hunt elk and bear. I have a bunch of builds that made sense, this one is a crazy gun guy makes no sense to anyone else but me build.

But my smith said the same thing “buy a ruger”.
I was just thinking about something very different.

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Originally Posted by DingoDuk
It’s just a bunch of parts I have used less the mausingfield that work very well. I’m Considering BDL but still tossing it around.
Once I have scratched my Africa itch it will timber hunt elk and bear. I have a bunch of builds that made sense, this one is a crazy gun guy makes no sense to anyone else but me build.

But my smith said the same thing “buy a ruger”.
I was just thinking about something very different.


For something very different, very cool, very well designed (IMHO) and very obsolete, try a 416 Dakota.

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Im not an expert but just realistic. Its hard to beat the Ruger Hawkeye 416 ruger or get an No1 in 416 rem or 416 ruger. This is the easiest route.

Ive got a new unfired No1 416 Rem i picked up 20 yrs ago at a hardware store that was closing out the big bores that didnt sell. So i picked some up. Ive also got an 375 Ruger Hawkeye. This is what i own so it would jave to make do.

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I have a Ruger Alaskan, 20” stainless in .416 Ruger. Love it!
Never shot a Cape buffalo but lots of water jugs, steel plates & 1 antelope. I load 350 gr. Speers at about 2,400 which make pleasant enough recoil for enjoyment while handling anything in North America I’m likely to go after. The 400 gr. factory stuff isn’t too brutal either.

For what it’s worth, I do like this cartridge & while it’s not a bizarre build, I like this rifle.

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Originally Posted by Anteloper
I have a Ruger Alaskan, 20” stainless in .416 Ruger. Love it!
Never shot a Cape buffalo but lots of water jugs, steel plates & 1 antelope. I load 350 gr. Speers at about 2,400 which make pleasant enough recoil for enjoyment while handling anything in North America I’m likely to go after. The 400 gr. factory stuff isn’t too brutal either.

For what it’s worth, I do like this cartridge & while it’s not a bizarre build, I like this rifle.


Thanks for the information.
I love the 350’s on antelope seems eccentric. I was thinking about antelope with the 260ab in my H&H I might need to go 300 A frames just to be safe.

For the 416 ruger guys running Hawkeyes what is the accuracy like.

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I have messed around with CZ 550 416 Rigby's, built 404 Jeffery's, and now have a Model 70 Classic in 416 Remington.

If I preferred Ruger rifles over Model 70's I could be happy with one of those in 416 Ruger.

I plan on running 350gr TSX's out of the Remington with Speers as plinkers. I have some 300gr TSX's coming just to play around with.

I am past the serious building stage anymore. Take a factory rifle tweak if needed and I am good to go.


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I think a little short action crf in 416 Express would be cool. Not the most powerful but I'm sure it would do the trick

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Flip a coin on either the Remington or Rigby.


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I have a CZ 550 in 416 Rigby and a Whitworth in 416 Remington. I am partial to the 416 Remington since it is in a lighter handier package



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Close friend killed a nice buff in Zim couple years ago, used a Ruger RSM in .416 Rigby. One shot with a 400 gr. TSX.

PH carried a push feed M-70 in .416 Rem. He liked the RSM, but said it was too heavy. So, I guess the PH figured he packed it more than he shot it.

Is the .416 Rem becoming the fav 40 cal Africa round?

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More fav than the 416 Ruger

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From what I'm reading, the Ruger version may be the Alaska fav in SS. It could be the package as much as the round.

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Re: Cape buffalo! Which 416 would you build? [Re: DingoDuk] #15826616 02/23/21
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Originally Posted by DingoDuk
Originally Posted by Anteloper
I have a Ruger Alaskan, 20” stainless in .416 Ruger. Love it!
Never shot a Cape buffalo but lots of water jugs, steel plates & 1 antelope. I load 350 gr. Speers at about 2,400 which make pleasant enough recoil for enjoyment while handling anything in North America I’m likely to go after. The 400 gr. factory stuff isn’t too brutal either.

For what it’s worth, I do like this cartridge & while it’s not a bizarre build, I like this rifle.


Thanks for the information.
I love the 350’s on antelope seems eccentric. I was thinking about antelope with the 260ab in my H&H I might need to go 300 A frames just to be safe.

For the 416 ruger guys running Hawkeyes what is the accuracy like.



Funny thing is, that as “over-kill” as that 350 gr. 416 Speer is, it’s one of the very few bullets I’ve ever recovered in an antelope. The shot was a lasered 210 yards angling on. The bullet broke the front shoulder, wrecked the boiler room, broke the opposing rear hip & was recovered as a big lump under the skin. Even at that she took a few steps before folding up.

Sometimes I just have fun with some of the guns I’ve never hunted with because antelope are 95% of my hunting.

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Originally Posted by Anteloper
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Originally Posted by Anteloper
I have a Ruger Alaskan, 20” stainless in .416 Ruger. Love it!
Never shot a Cape buffalo but lots of water jugs, steel plates & 1 antelope. I load 350 gr. Speers at about 2,400 which make pleasant enough recoil for enjoyment while handling anything in North America I’m likely to go after. The 400 gr. factory stuff isn’t too brutal either.

For what it’s worth, I do like this cartridge & while it’s not a bizarre build, I like this rifle.


Thanks for the information.
I love the 350’s on antelope seems eccentric. I was thinking about antelope with the 260ab in my H&H I might need to go 300 A frames just to be safe.

For the 416 ruger guys running Hawkeyes what is the accuracy like.



Funny thing is, that as “over-kill” as that 350 gr. 416 Speer is, it’s one of the very few bullets I’ve ever recovered in an antelope. The shot was a lasered 210 yards angling on. The bullet broke the front shoulder, wrecked the boiler room, broke the opposing rear hip & was recovered as a big lump under the skin. Even at that she took a few steps before folding up.

Sometimes I just have fun with some of the guns I’ve never hunted with because antelope are 95% of my hunting.




I love it. Do you have a picture of the bullet?

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Don’t know if that worked. I’m an image posting imbecile, but that’s the recovered bullet next to an unfired round & the empty shell.

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It works. Pretty dang cool stuff.

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I have no experience hunting/shooting Cape buffalo. But, the 416 Remington and Ruger I do have. I think both are great cartridges. The Rigby intrigues me somewhat, due to its ability to push bullets quite a bit faster. I just prefer the more compact cartridges and rifles. Personal preference. I don’t see a bad choice with any of the 416’s including the Taylor or one of the 416 wildcats.

Originally Posted by DingoDuk
Looking at a mausingfield action with a manners eh2 or similar.
Probably feed it with aics mags in apa metal. What 416 case would you push the 400 A frame with.
Ruger ,Rigby, Remington or Weatherby.

I’m leaning towards ruger for availability and cost.
What do the experts say.


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