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This is another interpretation of the Supremacy Clause:

A federal law applies to the nation as a whole and to all 50 states whereas state laws are only in effect within that particular state. If a state law gives people more rights than a federal law, the state law is legally supposed to prevail.


By that standard, states would have the right to secede.

They do and always have. If not, we are not a free people, but property of an all powerful dictatorship. That is why we have free elections.....er, wait a minute. Might need to rethink this.


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Originally Posted by rickt300
Originally Posted by steve4102
Here ya go.

https://www.thetrace.org/2016/12/kansas-second-amendment-protection-act-silencers/

Now let’s continue to shoot the messenger because the truth is not an option.


So because the state failed to back their own law your giving the Feds supreme rule over your life? Come on Steve they work for us and that includes the federal govt. That said does it say anything about silencers in the 2A?

Lemmy axe ya sumthin, have ya ever been in the process of purchasing a New firearm from an FFL where he said, f*ck this 4473 Bull Schit, this violates the Second Amendment, viva the Second Amendment and let you walk out the door with the firearm?

Have ya ever been to a local gun shop that had a sign that said No NICS check required?

Have ya found a online retailer that will send you a handgun USPS straight to your door, sighting the Second Amendment and all?

What about all the FFL in this county, ya think they are going to no longer do transfers, ya think when the BATF come knocking on their door to inspect their records they will just show them this Bill and turn them away. ...and when they don’t just go away is Sheriff Tom going to come and arrest them.


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Originally Posted by steve4102
Originally Posted by rickt300
Originally Posted by steve4102
Here ya go.

https://www.thetrace.org/2016/12/kansas-second-amendment-protection-act-silencers/

Now let’s continue to shoot the messenger because the truth is not an option.


So because the state failed to back their own law your giving the Feds supreme rule over your life? Come on Steve they work for us and that includes the federal govt. That said does it say anything about silencers in the 2A?

Lemmy axe ya sumthin, have ya even been in the process of purchasing a New firearm from an FFL where he said, f*ck this 4473 Bull Schit, this violates the Second Amendment, viva the Second Amendment and let you walk out the door with the firearm?

Have ya ever been to a local gun shop that had a sign that said No NICS check required?

Have ya found a online retailer that will send you a handgun USOS straight to your door, sighting the Second Amendment and all?



The NICS check is something many gun owners supported and the NRA actually helped write it's particulars. That said I have in the past ordered guns in the mail that came directly to the house legally. I can see very soon many states renouncing the federal government in a total sense kicking out the federal agencies.


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Originally Posted by rickt300
Originally Posted by steve4102
Originally Posted by rickt300
Originally Posted by steve4102
Here ya go.

https://www.thetrace.org/2016/12/kansas-second-amendment-protection-act-silencers/

Now let’s continue to shoot the messenger because the truth is not an option.


So because the state failed to back their own law your giving the Feds supreme rule over your life? Come on Steve they work for us and that includes the federal govt. That said does it say anything about silencers in the 2A?

Lemmy axe ya sumthin, have ya even been in the process of purchasing a New firearm from an FFL where he said, f*ck this 4473 Bull Schit, this violates the Second Amendment, viva the Second Amendment and let you walk out the door with the firearm?

Have ya ever been to a local gun shop that had a sign that said No NICS check required?

Have ya found a online retailer that will send you a handgun USOS straight to your door, sighting the Second Amendment and all?



The NICS check is something many gun owners supported and the NRA actually helped write it's particulars. That said I have in the past ordered guns in the mail that came directly to the house legally. I can see very soon many states renouncing the federal government in a total sense kicking out the federal agencies.

But that will not preclude Federal Law Enforcement from enforcing Federal law.


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See ya on the train Stevie baby - you are already defeated.

There’s always one...


Game over man!! Game over!!


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The Second Amendment Sanctuary targets federal policies that order the tracking or registering of firearms of ammunition, an idea that Democrats have been floating recently, the Blaze reported. The ordinance protects all citizens except for "suspected criminals" from gun confiscation...................................................Sounds pretty plausible, right? Except for the "suspected criminals" part..... Which could include Trump voters, registered republicans, NRA members, or any other right wing insurgent, terrorist, white supremacist, neo-nazi, or members of any other liberal branded hate group or anyone found guilty of hate speech.

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Originally Posted by CashisKing
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So what comes next?

If they send 10 of our people to the coroner... will we send 20 of theirs?

Don't get mad at each other. Figure out a resolution of what you will ACTUALLY do...

Will you actually do something?

Anything at all?

Or do you simply sit in a lazy Roy chair with your black lab rug under your Tootsie toes?



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There's a widow in sleepy Chester
Who weeps for her only son;
There's a grave on the Pabeng River,
A grave that the Burmans shun;
And there's Subadar Prag Tewarri
Who tells how the work was done.

A Snider squibbed in the jungle,
Somebody laughed and fled,
And the men of the First Shikaris
Picked up their Subaltern dead,
With a big blue mark in his forehead
And the back blown out of his head.

Subadar Prag Tewarri,
Jemadar Hira Lal,
Took command of the party,
Twenty rifles in all,
Marched them down to the river
As the day was beginning to fall.

They buried the boy by the river,
A blanket over his face --
They wept for their dead Lieutenant,
The men of an alien race --
They made a samadh in his honor,
A mark for his resting-place.

For they swore by the Holy Water,
They swore by the salt they ate,
That the soul of Lieutenant Eshmitt Sahib
Should go to his God in state,
With fifty file of Burmans
To open him Heaven's gate.

The men of the First Shikaris
Marched till the break of day,
Till they came to the rebel village,
The village of Pabengmay --
A jingal covered the clearing,
Calthrops hampered the way.

Subadar Prag Tewarri,
Bidding them load with ball,
Halted a dozen rifles
Under the village wall;
Sent out a flanking-party
With Jemadar Hira Lal.

The men of the First Shikaris
Shouted and smote and slew,
Turning the grinning jingal
On to the howling crew.
The Jemadar's flanking-party
Butchered the folk who flew.

Long was the morn of slaughter,
Long was the list of slain,
Five score heads were taken,
Five score heads and twain;
And the men of the First Shickaris
Went back to their grave again,

Each man bearing a basket
Red as his palms that day,
Red as the blazing village --
The village of Pabengmay,
And the "drip-drip-drip" from the baskets
Reddened the grass by the way.

They made a pile of their trophies
High as a tall man's chin,
Head upon head distorted,
Set in a sightless grin,
Anger and pain and terror
Stamped on the smoke-scorched skin.

Subadar Prag Tewarri
Put the head of the Boh
On the top of the mound of triumph,
The head of his son below --
With the sword and the peacock-banner
That the world might behold and know.

Thus the samadh was perfect,
Thus was the lesson plain
Of the wrath of the First Shikaris --
The price of a white man slain;
And the men of the First Shikaris
Went back into camp again.

Then a silence came to the river,
A hush fell over the shore,
And Bohs that were brave departed,
And Sniders squibbed no more;
For the Burmans said
That a white man's head
Must be paid for with heads five-score.

There's a widow in sleepy Chester
Who weeps for her only son;
There's a grave on the Pabeng River,
A grave that the Burmans shun;
And there's Subadar Prag Tewarri
Who tells how the work was done.


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Originally Posted by Rifles And More
See ya on the train Stevie baby - you are already defeated.

There’s always one...


Game over man!! Game over!!


We have been "defeated" since I was a wee lad and "we" allowed Hundreds of Anti-Second Amendment legislations to be passed in the name of "Compromise" , "Safety"." It's for the Children", "You don't "Need" that", "If you can't kill a deer with less than 30 rounds then you shouldn't be hunting", "Blood in the Streets". Etc.

Now after all this time, these Counties and States are pretending that they can NOW take on the Federal Government, Defy the US Constitution and the USSC with feel good Bull Schit Legislation that will do more harm than good.

Just ask Cox and Kettler how this type of feel good crapola worked out for them. Penniless and convicted felons. ...and this is somehow My Fault because you are to stupid to research what these Symbolic laws actually entail and how they will affect the average Joe.

Wake the f*ck up, we cannot legislate our way out of Socialism.


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Originally Posted by steve4102


We have been "defeated" since I was a wee lad and "we" allowed Hundreds of Anti-Second Amendment legislations to be passed in the name of "Compromise" , "Safety"." It's for the Children", "You don't "Need" that", "If you can't kill a deer with less than 30 rounds then you shouldn't be hunting", "Blood in the Streets". Etc.

Now after all this time, these Counties and States are pretending that they can NOW take on the Federal Government, Defy the US Constitution and the USSC with feel good Bull Schit Legislation that will do more harm than good.

Just ask Cox and Kettler how this type of feel good crapola worked out for them. Penniless and convicted felons. ...and this is somehow My Fault because you are to stupid to research what these Symbolic laws actually entail and how they will affect the average Joe.

Wake the f*ck up, we cannot legislate our way out of Socialism.




They aren't "taking on the federal govt."

Nor are they breaking or defying the US Constitution.

They are protecting their citizens from those who ARE breaking the constitution.

While it may be "feel good BS legislation" to you, I can guarantee you it doesn't make the federales feel good knowing that entire states are objecting to their fascist overthrowing of a free nation. Enough resistance, and they will pull in their horns... Or face dangerous consequences.

The bureaucracy laden feds have forgotten exactly who is in charge. They think they are. That's directly in violation of the constitution.


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A couple of weeks ago there were 3 Missouri counties that had passed this. Mine was one of those. The document was signed by 3 county commissioners and our sheriff. I am glad to have it done but if push comes to shove the sheriff will need the help from we the citizens. I have been told that he is ready to deputize citizens for that reason. So it still boils down to we the people to stand in the way. This just makes it less of an organized mob, I think.

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"A true patriot will defend his county from it’s government."

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Originally Posted by rockinbbar
Originally Posted by steve4102
Its been done before, it has failed before and those that believed their State, City or County officials can over ride Federal Laws are either in jail or convicted felons that have lost their Second Amendment rights.

Supremacy Clause, look it up.

While you are at it look up the Kansas Second Amendment Protection Act and a couple guys named Shane Cox and Jeremy Kettler, that got their asses thrown under the bus my the Kansas Governor and State Legislators.



Second Amendment.... Look it up.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Do not have to obey unconstitutional laws.... Look it up.

https://ryoc.us/us-supreme-court-says-you-do-not-need-to-obey-un-constitutional-laws/


But once the Supreme Court says a law is constitutional, then it is supposed to be obeyed. With SCOTUS acting like scared rabbits, the Second Amendment is on shaky ground. Under one of the proposals I've seen, one would be prohibited from owning a firearm if convicted of a hate crime. Guess what? Just about every form of dissent from liberal orthodoxy will be labeled a hate crime. Poof, your right to own a gun is gone, and it's all "constitutional".


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Originally Posted by rockinbbar
Originally Posted by steve4102


We have been "defeated" since I was a wee lad and "we" allowed Hundreds of Anti-Second Amendment legislations to be passed in the name of "Compromise" , "Safety"." It's for the Children", "You don't "Need" that", "If you can't kill a deer with less than 30 rounds then you shouldn't be hunting", "Blood in the Streets". Etc.

Now after all this time, these Counties and States are pretending that they can NOW take on the Federal Government, Defy the US Constitution and the USSC with feel good Bull Schit Legislation that will do more harm than good.

Just ask Cox and Kettler how this type of feel good crapola worked out for them. Penniless and convicted felons. ...and this is somehow My Fault because you are to stupid to research what these Symbolic laws actually entail and how they will affect the average Joe.

Wake the f*ck up, we cannot legislate our way out of Socialism.




They aren't "taking on the federal govt."

Nor are they breaking or defying the US Constitution.

They are protecting their citizens from those who ARE breaking the constitution.

While it may be "feel good BS legislation" to you, I can guarantee you it doesn't make the federales feel good knowing that entire states are objecting to their fascist overthrowing of a free nation. Enough resistance, and they will pull in their horns... Or face dangerous consequences.

The bureaucracy laden feds have forgotten exactly who is in charge. They think they are. That's directly in violation of the constitution.

Originally Posted by rockinbbar
Originally Posted by steve4102


We have been "defeated" since I was a wee lad and "we" allowed Hundreds of Anti-Second Amendment legislations to be passed in the name of "Compromise" , "Safety"." It's for the Children", "You don't "Need" that", "If you can't kill a deer with less than 30 rounds then you shouldn't be hunting", "Blood in the Streets". Etc.

Now after all this time, these Counties and States are pretending that they can NOW take on the Federal Government, Defy the US Constitution and the USSC with feel good Bull Schit Legislation that will do more harm than good.

Just ask Cox and Kettler how this type of feel good crapola worked out for them. Penniless and convicted felons. ...and this is somehow My Fault because you are to stupid to research what these Symbolic laws actually entail and how they will affect the average Joe.

Wake the f*ck up, we cannot legislate our way out of Socialism.




They aren't "taking on the federal govt."

Nor are they breaking or defying the US Constitution.

They are protecting their citizens from those who ARE breaking the constitution.

While it may be "feel good BS legislation" to you, I can guarantee you it doesn't make the federales feel good knowing that entire states are objecting to their fascist overthrowing of a free nation. Enough resistance, and they will pull in their horns... Or face dangerous consequences.

The bureaucracy laden feds have forgotten exactly who is in charge. They think they are. That's directly in violation of the constitution.

Exactly. I’m not sure why this is so hard for some people to understand. It shows a growing willingness that was previously lacking on the right to thumb there noses at tyranny. How is that not a good thing.

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Originally Posted by There_Ya_Go
But once the Supreme Court says a law is constitutional, then it is supposed to be obeyed. With SCOTUS acting like scared rabbits, the Second Amendment is on shaky ground. Under one of the proposals I've seen, one would be prohibited from owning a firearm if convicted of a hate crime. Guess what? Just about every form of dissent from liberal orthodoxy will be labeled a hate crime. Poof, your right to own a gun is gone, and it's all "constitutional".


Not necessarily.

The 2nd Amendment really just sits there. It gets cobwebs and dust gathered all over it.

Politicians have been hammering on it for 150 years. But it just sits there.

Until it's taken away, and at that point in time, it becomes exactly as our founding fathers intended...

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Literally "...shall not be infringed" means it is a God given right, and no federal authority can revoke it. Including the Supreme Court. The wording is plain and simple enough. The SC is gov't too... And it includes the SC.


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Originally Posted by rockinbbar
Originally Posted by steve4102
Its been done before, it has failed before and those that believed their State, City or County officials can over ride Federal Laws are either in jail or convicted felons that have lost their Second Amendment rights.

Supremacy Clause, look it up.

While you are at it look up the Kansas Second Amendment Protection Act and a couple guys named Shane Cox and Jeremy Kettler, that got their asses thrown under the bus my the Kansas Governor and State Legislators.



Second Amendment.... Look it up.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Do not have to obey unconstitutional laws.... Look it up.

https://ryoc.us/us-supreme-court-says-you-do-not-need-to-obey-un-constitutional-laws/



Mr. Rbb, you like your flintlock muzzleloader, you can keep your flintlock muzzleloader and as many as you want.

Ball and powder, however, shall be rationed per muzzleloader.

You have the right to keep and bear arms just as your forefathers did,

A Well Regulated Militia shall be defined here-forth as being the United States National Guard.

Considering all of the above, your 2nd Amendment Rights are to be construed as being fully intact and enforced by the SCOTUS.


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I reckon some will accept that.

Other's won't.


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Originally Posted by rockinbbar
I reckon some will accept that.

Other won't.


The point being that there’s many ways for them to “legally” attack the 2A.

If we insist that any challenge be brought back to the original intent at the time it was written you can expect it to be done so in total,

The feds, states and various municipalities already tell you what you cannot have and by those precedents they can proceed.

And they will along with a plan B and a plan C.


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Steve, et al,

The Constitution is the supreme law of the land and any law passed in violation of the same is in valid.

See Marbury v. Madison, 5 U.S. 137 (1803)

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/5/137/


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The 2nd Amendment means what this Supreme Court at this time says it means. And the bad thing is we have conceded so much ground already that it won't be much of a stretch for the Democrat Congress (both senate and house) to succeed at banning whatever they wish. The court will say the nation has evolved and an armed citizenry is not any longer necessary for the security of a free state. Matter of fact it will be shown that armed citizens are detrimental to peace and security. Just watch, we'll soon have "common sense" gun laws. Goebbels would be proud.


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