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Is a .308 just as capable of being a 400 yard rifle as a .270 or .30-06? #15821297 02/21/21
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Never been one to shoot over 200 yards, but I've increasingly been in cut over areas where shots out to 400 are possible. Yes, I know A LOT of practice is required for shots past 300. Just wondering if a .308 is really giving up much to a .270 or .30-06 from 300 yards to 400 yards especially with all this new ammo that's coming out.

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Re: Is a .308 just as capable of being a 400 yard rifle as a .270 or .30-06? [Re: Leatherneck] #15821325 02/21/21
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Is a .308 just as capable of being a 400 yard rifle as a .270 or .30-06?

Yes.

And way past 400.


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Re: Is a .308 just as capable of being a 400 yard rifle as a .270 or .30-06? [Re: Leatherneck] #15821328 02/21/21
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I don't see why not , but only if the shooter practices at that range and has the rifle for it.

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Re: Is a .308 just as capable of being a 400 yard rifle as a .270 or .30-06? [Re: Leatherneck] #15821335 02/21/21
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400 yards is a chip shot for a 308w. As well as it is for a 270 or ol 06. This is another one of those "rhetorical questions"..


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Re: Is a .308 just as capable of being a 400 yard rifle as a .270 or .30-06? [Re: Leatherneck] #15821388 02/21/21
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Having confidence in your equipment, is all that is needed. So, practice with what you have.

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Re: Is a .308 just as capable of being a 400 yard rifle as a .270 or .30-06? [Re: Leatherneck] #15821462 02/22/21
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I have exactly one place on the farm where I can shoot out to 450 yards. I've got gong now, but in the past I used milk jugs. We don't do it much, but we occasionally get set up for shooting at that distance. Believe me. It ain't that hard to get dialed in with any of our rifles. We've even done it with a Mosin Nagant.
In using it to hunt, What is going to be a problem is:

1) Learning how to read distance. We know what 450 yards is.
2) Learning how to deal with wind. I'm now putting out flags
3) Learning what your rifle and your load does

I admit that I don't have a whole lot of experience with 308 WIN. I've got one rifle in that chambering and I use it out my treestands. It is not that I wouldn't trust 308 WIN at longer distances, It just happened that I set up the rifle, a Savage 99, for that purpose. I'm sure I could make it a 400+ yard gun if I wanted to.

That one place, the 450 yard range at our farm, has another significance. It was nearing the end of one of my first deer seasons at the farm. I was coming out from an otherwise unproductive afternoon hunt. I spied a herd of doe munching out in the pasture where our 450 yard target stand now resides. I knew I wasn't going to hit anything. I just wanted to experiment to see what would happen. I did not know the exact yardage. My gun was sighted in dead-on at 50 yards. I really didn't know what I was doing in those days. I put my 30-06 against a big tree and took a shot at the closest doe, knowing that if I aimed at her chest, the round would fall well below that. I saw the bullet hit a good 7 feet below her hooves, and zip up through the grass, making some of the other doe jump. It was getting dark, and by the 3rd shot, I was mostly blinded in my right eye from the muzzle flash, and the doe were catching on that something was up and moving off. I called the experiment a success; I had proven to myself that taking a shot at that distance was foolhardy without knowing the exact distance, and attempting it without practice.


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Re: Is a .308 just as capable of being a 400 yard rifle as a .270 or .30-06? [Re: Leatherneck] #15821467 02/22/21
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The 7.62 X 51 has been used for over 40 years as a sniper round. Doesn't that answer your question at least in part? Be Well, RZ.

Re: Is a .308 just as capable of being a 400 yard rifle as a .270 or .30-06? [Re: Leatherneck] #15821729 02/22/21
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I own two .308's its a fantastic cartridge, accurate and easy to load. My Rem tactical will keep three shots under a dime at 100, inside a cup at 300, and a saucer at 400, however it is not a 30:06 and like all cartridges has limitations. rusty failed to mention they also use the 50 BMG for sniping, because it reaches out farther and also gets the job done. Hathcock made a 2500 yard kill in 1962, with the BMG. Lots of big game have been killed with the .308 and that trend will continue for decades. My personal thoughts would be the smaller animals like deer, you could go out to 500 or so if you can shoot well enough and deal with the wind and actual distance. Larger game such as Elk, Moose etc, can be killed way out there, WITH A PERFECT SHOT, but the question then is, can you do it every time and under field conditions. For years my primary rifle for elk, was a 300WM, I feel much more comfortable shooting large big game out past 500 yards with it, than I would , with the .308. Just my 02 and 60 years in the field

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Re: Is a .308 just as capable of being a 400 yard rifle as a .270 or .30-06? [Re: Leatherneck] #15821737 02/22/21
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It's been used a lot for 1000M competition.


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Re: Is a .308 just as capable of being a 400 yard rifle as a .270 or .30-06? [Re: Leatherneck] #15825870 02/23/21
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Re: Is a .308 just as capable of being a 400 yard rifle as a .270 or .30-06? [Re: Leatherneck] #15826239 02/23/21
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Load a 130 TTSX, runs within 2" of a 260 at 400 yds with a 200 yd zero............should be hanging well with 270 WCF

Re: Is a .308 just as capable of being a 400 yard rifle as a .270 or .30-06? [Re: Leatherneck] #15826268 02/23/21
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The 308 has slightly less MV than the 30-06 or 270 so with the same bullet you would have slightly more flight time resulting in more wind drift and of course more drop but with almost any bullet you should have plenty of energy left for deer size game. Of course if you go with a lighter bullet of say 150 or 130 grains it would give you higher MV which would help.
Either way, practice a lot and watch the wind.


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Re: Is a .308 just as capable of being a 400 yard rifle as a .270 or .30-06? [Re: Son_of_the_Gael] #15826621 02/23/21
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Originally Posted by Son_of_the_Gael
Is a .308 just as capable of being a 400 yard rifle as a .270 or .30-06?

Yes.

And way past 400.


Sowhat do you think will happen when the bulletfrom the 308 hit's something at 400 yds? Will the bullet bounce off? I have both 308 and 30-06 and use different weight bullet's in each. All I shoot in 308 is 165gr bullet's. Bit better velocity with the 308. !80 worked fine in my 308 but I liked the velocity of the 165 better. All I shoot in my 30-06 is 180gr bullet's. 30-06 shoots them a bit faster than the 308 And in theory the 180grs weight will out penetrate the lighter 165gr bullet. But I doubt that the 165gr bullet in the 308 properly placed at 400yds is gonna do an animal any good at all.

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The farther you shoot the harder bullet you'll need - at 400 yards - a full metal jacket bullet is perfect for the little 308win. . The full metal jacket bullet will penetrate deeper because it doesn't expand .


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Originally Posted by Leatherneck
Never been one to shoot over 200 yards, but I've increasingly been in cut over areas where shots out to 400 are possible. Yes, I know A LOT of practice is required for shots past 300. Just wondering if a .308 is really giving up much to a .270 or .30-06 from 300 yards to 400 yards especially with all this new ammo that's coming out.


At that distance the 168Amax and similar are devastating on deer!


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Re: Is a .308 just as capable of being a 400 yard rifle as a .270 or .30-06? [Re: Leatherneck] #15826940 02/23/21
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Have you not seen this thread?

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/15789014/1

Hell of a lot of big critters killed well in excess of 400 yards with a 308 and with non premium hunting bulllets to boot.

Re: Is a .308 just as capable of being a 400 yard rifle as a .270 or .30-06? [Re: Blacktailer] #15827005 02/23/21
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Originally Posted by Blacktailer
The 308 has slightly less MV than the 30-06 or 270 so with the same bullet you would have slightly more flight time resulting in more wind drift and of course more drop but with almost any bullet you should have plenty of energy left for deer size game. Of course if you go with a lighter bullet of say 150 or 130 grains it would give you higher MV which would help.
Either way, practice a lot and watch the wind.


Going with a lighter bullet is going to make the 308 LESS effective at distance, not more effective. Flight time is a consideration, but the difference in flight time between lighter, faster bullets and slower, heavier, yet higher-BC bullets becomes irrelevant at ranges beyond 400 yards, and the higher BC bullet is going to be better at holding onto velocity and energy, as well as being more predictable in variable wind. Going light and fast has an outer limit of benefit, and it is generally about 500 yards, even with the biggest of big boomers, like the Lazzeroni cartridges.


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Originally Posted by ol_mike
The farther you shoot the harder bullet you'll need - at 400 yards - a full metal jacket bullet is perfect for the little 308win. . The full metal jacket bullet will penetrate deeper because it doesn't expand .

When is the sarcasm emoji going to be a thing again?

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Originally Posted by ol_mike
The farther you shoot the harder bullet you'll need - at 400 yards - a full metal jacket bullet is perfect for the little 308win. . The full metal jacket bullet will penetrate deeper because it doesn't expand .

Sounds like a douchey response to me. Better go back to the Hunters Campfire. You're obviously out of your league here


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