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Back when in Iowa, at age 21, all it took was walking into the Sheriff's office, and walk out with a paper.

Like a dummy, I failed to renew it.

Forward to 1989, a class, and money.


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More importantly, 2021?

I’m no legal scholar but it all sounds like “infringement” to me.

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Who needs a permit? 2nd Amendment

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Originally Posted by wabigoon
Back when in Iowa, at age 21, all it took was walking into the Sheriff's office, and walk out with a paper.

Like a dummy, I failed to renew it.

Forward to 1989, a class, and money.
In free states, we just carry what we want, where we want, when we want. The Constitution doesn't allow it, it acknowledges it.

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Originally Posted by efw
More importantly, 2021?

I’m no legal scholar but it all sounds like “infringement” to me.



It is, but it keeps me out of jail.


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If you think Iowa is bad, consider all of Canada!


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Originally Posted by wabigoon
Back when in Iowa, at age 21, all it took was walking into the Sheriff's office, and walk out with a paper.

Like a dummy, I failed to renew it.

Forward to 1989, a class, and money.

When Iowa modified the law to shall issue, gun rights people cheered. Most didn't look at the fine print on the application materials they signed. You have to give law enforcement blanket access to your medical records, including the VA. Think about that for a moment.

Paying a fee is the least of it.


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Originally Posted by wabigoon
If you think Iowa is bad, consider all of Canada!



We don't have a 2nd amendment. For us firearms are a privilege, not a right. Wish it was different, but our liberal gov't is not headed that direction.


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If you think Iowa is bad, consider all of Canada!



We don't have a 2nd amendment. For us firearms are a privilege, not a right. Wish it was different, but our liberal gov't is not headed that direction.

It's a privilege here too, we just have more privdledge than Canada.

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Originally Posted by efw
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I’m no legal scholar but it all sounds like “infringement” to me.

Of course it is. No adult who's not a slave, or in the custody of the criminal justice system, is supposed to need to ask anyone's permission to carry a firearm, blade, or cudgel on their person. That's what shall not be infringed means. Infringe means to cut away at the outer edges of a thing.

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Concealed means concealed, do what you want.

The responses to threads regarding CCW and self defense on this board illustrate the value of training and the general lack of knowledge of gun owners.

"some guy" once said: Owning a gun makes you a shooter in the same way that owning a piano makes you a musician.


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Originally Posted by lvmiker
Concealed means concealed, do what you want.


Risk vs. risk; the risk of needing a firearm in times of peril vs. the risk of picking up a life-altering felony arrest/conviction.

Take your pick, varies by location.


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Concealed means concealed, do what you want.


Risk vs. risk; the risk of needing a firearm in times of peril vs. the risk of picking up a life-altering felony arrest/conviction.

Take your pick, varies by location.

Back in the days when there were very few places in the US where it was easy to obtain a concealed weapon permit, the saying was popular that "I'd rather be judged by twelve than be carried by six." It expressed the notion that the only way the criminal justice system is going to discover that you carry a handgun (which was illegal in most states without a license, which was hard to acquire) is if you need to use it to save your life from a criminal, so the calculus enormously favored the decision to carry, even if the law technically prohibited it.

Thankfully, the days when a law abiding American had to make that calculation largely ended in the 1980s and 90s, when most states adopted either shall issue or Constitutional carry.

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Originally Posted by Birdwatcher
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Concealed means concealed, do what you want.


Risk vs. risk; the risk of needing a firearm in times of peril vs. the risk of picking up a life-altering felony arrest/conviction.

Take your pick, varies by location.

That about sums it up..... unfortunately.

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More importantly, 2021?

I’m no legal scholar but it all sounds like “infringement” to me.

Of course it is. No adult who's not a slave, or in the custody of the criminal justice system, is supposed to need to ask anyone's permission to carry a firearm, blade, or cudgel on their person. That's what shall not be infringed means. Infringe means to cut away at the outer edges of a thing.

Indeed.

Unbelievers get tired of me bringing this up, but I'll say it again.
I've been into politics and helping get good guys into offices. All of them pale in comparison to what Im about to say. In my experience, when the Lord answers His people's prayers, the impossible can happen. We west Virginia believers were some of the first ones to enjoy the free exercise of His rights, south of Vermont.
Law enforcement and the other statist democrats fought us as hard as they could short of drawing their glocks against the citizens.
Guess what.

The Lord of hosts, which means Lord of armies, gave us our weapons back. No permission from our conquerors.

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We/me/I, have to "Unconceale", the weapon before it can be used.


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I think there are 17 states now that are constitutional carry. Iowa has a bill up to add to it. Have no idea if it will go the distance. These days I would guess not. I know before Iowa went shall issue the previous sheriff wasn't too big on handing them out.

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It probably depends on whether or not you get a cop and his boss, as with the prosecutor who is on your side. They get promotions ($) based on convictions, so its in their best interest to arrest someone for something. That's slightly oversimplified, but is truth.
I've talked to enough to know first hand that it really depends on who shows up at the scene and how they decide to handle it. Just be careful to not tell anyone if you decide to go ahead and carry when the enforcers are out to get citizens. Some are friendlies, of course, but who knows? Maybe check around and talk to those who are in the know locally to do your own risk assessment.

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Originally Posted by wabigoon
Back when in Iowa, at age 21, all it took was walking into the Sheriff's office, and walk out with a paper.

Like a dummy, I failed to renew it.

Forward to 1989, a class, and money.


Mine in MT is still that way. Main purpose is to avoid the phone call to the feds for permission to buy a gin, on Sunday afternoons.

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