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Re: Burris XTR Signature Rings [Re: Jordan Smith] #15844553 02/27/21
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Originally Posted by Jordan Smith

We went over this a few days ago. The 34mm rings are made in US, the 30mm are made in China. I assume that image you have there is showing a set of 34mm rings?

Scope height is an individual thing. Many people, myself included, would benefit from a lower (~0.850-0.900") option.


Well, wherever Burris makes them, there is no other ring made that gives you the options they do, so I will continue to buy them.

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Re: Burris XTR Signature Rings [Re: RimfireArtist] #15844571 02/27/21
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Originally Posted by RimfireArtist
Originally Posted by Jordan Smith

We went over this a few days ago. The 34mm rings are made in US, the 30mm are made in China. I assume that image you have there is showing a set of 34mm rings?

Scope height is an individual thing. Many people, myself included, would benefit from a lower (~0.850-0.900") option.


Well, wherever Burris makes them, there is no other ring made that gives you the options they do, so I will continue to buy them.

I’m with you there. Just too bad they can’t make their 30mm rings in the US like their 34mm rings.

Re: Burris XTR Signature Rings [Re: mikestaten] #15844721 02/27/21
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I feel like these rings would be $15 cheaper if they didn't put them in that tackle box.


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Re: Burris XTR Signature Rings [Re: mikestaten] #15846007 02/28/21
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The only system that offers 100% RTZ is the proprietary Blaser QD mounting system. it's a base and ring combo that sits atop the barrel and not the receiver. Traveling hunters use them extensively and they are proven.


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Re: Burris XTR Signature Rings [Re: mikestaten] #15846052 02/28/21
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I’ll bet our number one made in China critic is on this forum from a device made by slave labor in PRC. Just sayin’


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Re: Burris XTR Signature Rings [Re: mikestaten] #15846214 02/28/21
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Unless the inserts are absolutely necessary for your application, how about going non-Com?

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Re: Burris XTR Signature Rings [Re: mikestaten] #15848887 02/28/21
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Probably going with the Warne Maxima Quick Detach.

Re: Burris XTR Signature Rings [Re: MtnBoomer] #15849047 02/28/21
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Originally Posted by MtnBoomer
Unless the inserts are absolutely necessary for your application, how about going non-Com?

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l consider the inserts absolutely necessary for almost every scope I mount. There are a few where I could do w/o the inserts, but I do not know which they are until the mount is done.

With the trade deficit with China running $20 - 30 billion per month, the handful of us buying Burris rings (except for the 34mm) made in China is a drop in the ocean. What we need is a law that no dollar can come back into the U.S. for anything except the purchase of goods or services. If the Chinese could not buy our real estate and corporate shares the prices of their goods would sky-rocket, solving the problem over-night.

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Originally Posted by RimfireArtist
Originally Posted by MtnBoomer
Unless the inserts are absolutely necessary for your application, how about going non-Com?

Chink Chink Chink Chink Chink..


l consider the inserts absolutely necessary for almost every scope I mount. There are a few where I could do w/o the inserts, but I do not know which they are until the mount is done.

With the trade deficit with China running $20 - 30 billion per month, the handful of us buying Burris rings (except for the 34mm) made in China is a drop in the ocean. What we need is a law that no dollar can come back into the U.S. for anything except the purchase of goods or services. If the Chinese could not buy our real estate and corporate shares the prices of their goods would sky-rocket, solving the problem over-night.



Please do explain further what you are talking about? Seriously, please do, as I have not heard of anyone running into such regularly occurring difficulty with other mounts as to forclude their utility. Are you working with some oddball firearms systems, or what?


Trade deficit blows, however, it is not my whole deal really... More like revelations of forced abortions and labor, oh, and that little Co19 thing, copyright and patent infringement, intellectual property theft, spying, Belts and Roads etc.... Different strokes. At least, we're free, unlike many Chinky Comrades, for now, to decide and discuss.

It'd be great if those Burris kgunts would stop producing in China all together, but, to those kgunts it doesn't seem to matter.





Re: Burris XTR Signature Rings [Re: mikestaten] #15849694 03/01/21
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I use the Signature Zee rings on my 99’s, but the XTR’s look pretty substantial.

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Re: Burris XTR Signature Rings [Re: mikestaten] #15850537 03/01/21
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Originally Posted by mikestaten
Probably going with the Warne Maxima Quick Detach.


I think you’ll be plenty happy with the Maxima QDs


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Re: Burris XTR Signature Rings [Re: MtnBoomer] #15853209 03/02/21
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Originally Posted by MtnBoomer



Please do explain further what you are talking about? Seriously, please do, as I have not heard of anyone running into such regularly occurring difficulty with other mounts as to forclude their utility. Are you working with some oddball firearms systems, or what?


Nothing oddball, I just at times shoot long range so I like to position my scope so that I have about 90% of the total elevation adjustment available for cranking my POI up. Starting with a 20- or 25-moa base and the Burris insert rings, I know I will be able to easily get there, while at the same time having my windage well-centered. Use any other ring I will almost always have to compromise one or both.

I also much prefer the self-alignment feature of the inserts, as opposed to having to lap rings.


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Trade deficit blows, however, it is not my whole deal really... More like revelations of forced abortions and labor, oh, and that little Co19 thing, copyright and patent infringement, intellectual property theft, spying, Belts and Roads etc.... Different strokes. At least, we're free, unlike many Chinky Comrades, for now, to decide and discuss.

It'd be great if those Burris kgunts would stop producing in China all together, but, to those kgunts it doesn't seem to matter.



Look, I'm with you. I have been saying for a year that China either intentionally loosed the CV19 virus into America to knock DJT out, or they were GROSSLY negligent, and I suspect the former. But we have a government determined to act like CV19 was an act of God or something, and no one cares what my opinion is on anything political.

So, not being able to do anything even a tiny bit significant with regard to our geo-political affairs, I'm just trying to have the most fun I can for the 10 or 15 good years I have left, and that means buying what I like best.

I would like to see Burris and many other companies I like (such as Spyderco) stop doing business with China. The problem is you and I are distinctly in a minority, with the majority of people being happy to buy from the Devil if he has the best price. The 34mm XTR's, which are made in the U.S., cost substantially more than the 30mm XTR's made in China. There is no reason for the 34's to cost significantly more, other than the cost of labor in the place of the place of manufacture.

It is also hard for a company to cut established ties, formed back before anyone cared where things were made. Generally to get a Chinese company to commit to tool up to produce your rings, knives, or whatever, you have to agree with them that you will not produce that item, or anything very similar, anywhere else, at least for some period of time, like 15 - 20 years. Burris may not be able to simply shift production of the 30mm XTR's back to the U.S., or to another country, even if it really wanted to, without getting sued by the Chinese company.

So you can wail all you want, but nearly no one is listening. We need a solution that does not punish a single company for doing the right thing. I told you what the solution is. Do what I suggested and China will break the contracts, freeing up Burris et al to move production out of China.

Re: Burris XTR Signature Rings [Re: mikestaten] #15853474 03/02/21
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I expect more manufacturing to move to china, not less
Look how many scopes are now made there, and nobody cares. 10 years ago nobody would touch a chinese scope, now people embrace them.


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Re: Burris XTR Signature Rings [Re: mikestaten] #15856587 03/02/21
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Rimfire Artist wrote:
"Nothing oddball, I just at times shoot long range so I like to position my scope so that I have about 90% of the total elevation adjustment available for cranking my POI up. Starting with a 20- or 25-moa base and the Burris insert rings, I know I will be able to easily get there, while at the same time having my windage well-centered. Use any other ring I will almost always have to compromise one or both."

Are you saying that you have a 20 or 25 MOA base on all your scoped rifles and then you use Burris rings to further bring down the elevation turret to just above the bottom of the scope?

And you do this because you occasionally may take a long shot?

I have to ask, at what distance do you shoot the most? With that setup, you are way out of the scope's sweet spot at 100 and 200 yards. If you shoot a lot at that distance you are making yourself no favors.

I try to adjust my setup so that it matches the use of the rifle. For instance, my most heavily used rifle is my Match FTR rifle geared for 1000 yards. On that rifle I have a combination of 20 MOA canted rail and Burris XTR rings so that the scope is at mechanical zero, and in the optical sweet spot for maximum IQ, at 1000 yards.

On other rifles I have a 20MOA rail and regular rings to be in the sweet spot from 300 to about 600 yards. I can go down to 100 yards but rarely do that.

On yet other rifles, I have no cant.

I like IQ and I try to maximize it to match my shooting,

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Re: Burris XTR Signature Rings [Re: mikestaten] #15857079 03/03/21
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Had heard about the goods.... First set, and only set, I've purchased was during Black Friday 2016. MIC was a big surprise for me and many others here.

Not going to jump on someone else's decision, they're a unique and exceptional product, but for phucqk's sake Burris, we want you to succeed, but, not by sucking Commie dong like so many other, formerly American, companies. Com'on man!


(Any chance those observed US Made 34mm are old stock?)




Re: Burris XTR Signature Rings [Re: MtnBoomer] #15857539 03/03/21
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Originally Posted by MtnBoomer
Any chance those observed US Made 34mm are old stock?

I suppose there’s a chance, but I’ve had several sets ranging from years old to months old, and they are all US made. I’ll be ordering more here shortly, so I’ll let you know what I find out.

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