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Originally Posted by battue
Labs are trained to sit quietly in the blind....no reason they wouldn't naturally flush Turkeys, or that it would be a problem having them sit quietly while you called one in. Labs easily retrieve Geese, so a Turkey should not be a problem..

Not uncommon to find others using Labs in the Uplands...A good one will take after Turkeys the same as it would Pheasants....

An average adult Beaver will go 50 pounds, dry....again, as much as I like the small Spaniels, scratch them off the list....

the thing i heard was getting to bark when they best a flock


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can you even find one anymore that not had the hunt breed out of them


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When they “bust” a flock you will know...it is not a quiet event and most often there is a visual going on also..

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A good lab can do a lot of work.

That said, I would send my neighbors dog after a beaver unless I was 100% sure it was dead. A beaver can flat fugk up a dog, especially in the water.


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If you're doing a lot of hunting for fur and the dog is retrieving, take a look a the Deutch Drathaar. You'll want a dog that can defend itself and dispatch wounded critters then bring it back to you like it's the king of the world. That would be a DD.
those are one of the few i have heard of but i have a hard time beliving some of the stuff you hear. whice i run hounds most of the time i just named beaver and muskrat becuse i heard a guy talking about a game call that would work on beaver and muskrats. it was easier to bag a few for the table then trapping. so mostly looking for something that can take cold water and fish game out after the kill shot


I can’t think of anything that can take cold/rough water conditions like a Chesapeake. Those dogs are tough!

cool the only one i had seen was one that belonged to a lady my grandma lived next door to. it was just a pet but it seemed like it take some time to use to us. can you give me some idea what they are like as far as handling and tranining, and how they are around livestook and other pets.


I have never owned one, but have had friends that did. The are certainly smart, but a bit strong willed and somewhat hard headed. They can be darn protective, but should fit into most any setting that they are raised in. I sure wouldn’t want to piss one off, as they are a very physically powerful breed. Like many breeds, they have a cult like following among their owners. All this said, I have seen a few that are easygoing, and accept strangers easily. Go to a field trial or hunt test and talk with some owners/handlers about them.

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Originally Posted by MadMooner
A good lab can do a lot of work.

That said, I would send my neighbors dog after a beaver unless I was 100% sure it was dead. A beaver can flat fugk up a dog, especially in the water.


Without any doubt...a Beaver with some life left is a different fight than a wing tipped Goose on the ground.

I’ve seen a Groundhog mess up a Dog-although I had one that killed them rather easily-and a Raccoon take the fight out of one rather quickly. I have little doubt I wouldn’t want my Dog latched onto a Beaver that decided to go home..

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We have a lot of river otters here. That's a critter I will never let my dog in the water after.
She's retrieved a couple of nutria before luckily without incident. Though my buddy's Patterdale terrier, a much smaller dog, got torn up by one pretty badly.

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We have a lot of river otters here. That's a critter I will never let my dog in the water after.
She's retrieved a couple of nutria before luckily without incident. Though my buddy's Patterdale terrier, a much smaller dog, got torn up by one pretty badly.


No kidding. Otter = 20+ pound water leopard. Not too long ago a grandma and grandson inadvertently got too close to an otter while swimming in a river out here.

Otter put an azz whoopin’ on both of them. Grandma ended up with a hundred or two stitches and the otter swam off with her eyeball. shocked


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My last lab would retrieve (and kill, if he could) beavers, and could trail anything. He was unusual for most labs in the ‘kill fur’ department....hated wild fur bearers of any sort. Never had any trouble with otters or otters vs dogs here, although we have lots of them. Generally, we don’t provoke them, and nothing prevents us from seriously discouraging or ending one that got aggressive, if need be. Spend more time worrying over gators when I’m in the Louisiana coastal zones.

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Originally Posted by hh4whiskey
My last lab would retrieve (and kill, if he could) beavers, and could trail anything. He was unusual for most labs in the ‘kill fur’ department....hated wild fur bearers of any sort. Never had any trouble with otters or otters vs dogs here, although we have lots of them. Generally, we don’t provoke them, and nothing prevents us from seriously discouraging or ending one that got aggressive, if need be. Spend more time worrying over gators when I’m in the Louisiana coastal zones.

do you know what line he was from?


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Sadly, other than knowing he had some British lineage, I don’t know exactly. That one was gifted me by a breeder after one of my brittanies passed, I wasn’t too worried about papers/pedigree at that time, and wasn’t sure he wanted him registered, since he was free.....and I got him for a farm companion, while planning to buy another one for hunting. When I realized a few months later that he was full of potential, the owner had passed away, and I was loathe to bring it up with his widow, and lost touch with her over the years. Hindsight, THAT was a bigger oversight than I ever imagined.....best hunting AND family lab I’ve had in 40 years of dealing with dogs. He had initiative and judgement, an unbelievable nose, and a three way switch: off/full blast bird machine/kill bad things. LOL

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Putting a dog in the water after an otter or especially a beaver
is like hunting African lions with dogs. It's been done, it works,
But don't do it with a dog you really want to bring home.

Raccoons have been known to beat a dog in the water, and
they aren't the water animals either of the above are.


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I’d agree, as a rule of thumb, and I wouldn’t send him n a beaver, unless it was stone dead, and dead a while.....and never on an otter. That’d be insanity....mini water badger. However, he’d jump a beaver you never saw and kill it, dug out and killed huge ground hogs, ran into packs of coyotes and slung coyotes 6’ in the air, would kill a big boar raccoon before you could blink.....he had a ‘thing’ for that, unlike any lab I’ve ever had. Glad he never got mixed up with the bobcats around here, though. He left out one night after a pack of coyotes, and I had two dead ones in the yard the next morning......but temperament of a service dog around people or other dogs. He even ran loose at my Uncle’s Veterinary clinic.....could mediate all the cats and dogs in the waiting room....or let them all out at night, too. LOL

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Wire haired pointing Griffon, the 4x4 of hunting dogs, PUDELPOINTER is great but a little high strung, we have one.

The Drahtar’s are great dogs but as said earlier in the posts, for the experienced handler. Definitely a dog you would want to have trained.


We had our PUDELPOINTER trained at Quinebaug Kennels, Jennifer Broome’s operation in Connecticut.

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So your recommendation for pulling Beavers, Otters and such out of the water is Griffs and Pudelpointers?

The training to do either would be interesting...Perhaps start them out on muzzled/declawed Badgers before getting into the water work....The Badger would probably still come out on top...

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Originally Posted by battue
So your recommendation for pulling Beavers, Otters and such out of the water is Griffs and Pudelpointers?

The training to do either would be interesting...Perhaps start them out on muzzled/declawed Badgers before getting into the water work....The Badger would probably still come out on top...


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Originally Posted by battue
So your recommendation for pulling Beavers, Otters and such out of the water is Griffs and Pudelpointers?

The training to do either would be interesting...Perhaps start them out on muzzled/declawed Badgers before getting into the water work....The Badger would probably still come out on top...


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Originally Posted by jonboy900
those are one of the few i have heard of but i have a hard time beliving some of the stuff you hear. whice i run hounds most of the time i just named beaver and muskrat becuse i heard a guy talking about a game call that would work on beaver and muskrats. it was easier to bag a few for the table then trapping. so mostly looking for something that can take cold water and fish game out after the kill shot


The woods, lakes and streams would need to be devoid of pretty much anything else for me to decide to eat beaver and muskrat on anything but a money on the table bet. sick

Good luck on your pup quest though.


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