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Cite any official Roman record from the time
of Jesus that mentions his resurrection.

If so extraordinary a thing happened surely
the Romans would have noted it.



Who conducted this official investigation
and interviewing of 500 alleged witnesses ?




Scriptures by anonymous authors who witnessed
nothing of the sort but simply recorded several
decades old village tales.

It's like having Bigfoot believers write up old
distant accounts of alleged Bigfoot sightings.

The first alleged witnesses at the tomb being
the two Marys , didn't even recognize a Jesus,
so we can gather how reliable the other 498 were ...




Nearly a century of village folklore
where could the story possibly go awry...?

Even Matthew applies ad hoc creative flare
to the narrative compared to earlier Mark.

News flash.... I never said a thing about back to the “God of the Gaps.”

You just made that up!

You conjure up some thesis or idea the try to attach it me and then try to knock it down. WEAK.....!

You have now gone full “Starman” on us.

If Christ is God, those last two quotes could mean either. Nevet mind "Let there be One God" and now we have two. The Father and the Son.

But what about that first quote. For years, Jag and "company" have assured us that we are judged on Faith alone. Accept Christ in some moment before death, call him God and Savior. Be forgiven and go to Heaven.

But here you have Peter throwing a monkey wrench into the gears claiming "The Father" shall judge us on our "works".

Happy Camper...

Seems to me that you are correct and as usual, Starman is totally wrong.... Starman asks

"...500 eye witnesses?

Great. What are their names, and show us they written first hand accounts.

Asking their names.... asking to see their 'written first hand accounts.'

This guy is just plain ridiculous. GMAB .....Pay no attention to him or his ravings.


Watch how the seagulls respond to this:

" In Rome, in the year 93, Josephus published his lengthy history of the Jews. While discussing the period in which the Jews of Judaea were governed by the Roman procurator Pontius Pilate, Josephus included the following account:


About this time there lived Jesus, a wise man, if indeed one ought to call him a man. For he was one who performed surprising deeds and was a teacher of such people as accept the truth gladly. He won over many Jews and many of the Greeks. He was the Messiah. And when, upon the accusation of the principal men among us, Pilate had condemned him to a cross, those who had first come to love him did not cease. He appeared to them spending a third day restored to life, for the prophets of God had foretold these things and a thousand other marvels about him. And the tribe of the Christians, so called after him, has still to this day not disappeared."

- Jewish Antiquities, 18.3.3 §63
(Based on the translation of Louis H. Feldman, The Loeb Classical Library.)


They will go berserk and find all sorts of "references" to dispute the validity of this writing.... But, as you know there are other writings that refer to the historical Jesus.

But, as per normal, there are some that will deny any proof of Jesus' existence. They will happily ignore facts ... they have abandoned reason and cling to their much loved anti-Jesus rhetoric.

SOS

Actually, your comments are worthy of study. The question that is often before me ... when there is an apparent contradiction ....is....."how can both viewpoints be true?" I got into it with another poster who was very enthusiastic about some contradiction he thought he had discovered... this apparent contradiction was easily explained.... one was referring to the "law" and its status... but BEFORE Jesus death on the cross and the other reference was a reference to the "law" and its status ... but AFTER the death on the cross. Big difference.

There was another interesting example.... a quote from the Book of Job which seemed to contradict a NT teaching.... The interesting thing is that the writer... was indeed quoting from the Book of Job, but he was quoting the words spoken by one of Job's unhelpful friends who was giving Job "unbiblical" advice. The guy simply took everything in the Bible as the word of God....he didn't think it through.... would one quote Pharaoh or Herod as say that they were speaking for God? I don't think so.

TF49 claims to be so astute at scripture
yet wrongly attributes what Antelope Sniper
posted to Starman..

Crapper and 49er what a great team ...LoL.

I think God’s grace can’t be earned. John 3:16 is pretty much the Gospel in a nutshell. One’s salvation can’t be ‘earned’ by good works or anything else. Salvation comes via God’s grace by faith. Nothing can be added to it. Jesus’ work of redemption is total and complete. Goodness oughta be a result though, of what has taken place within oneself. One still must account for one’s life. Saved or not. We’ll all stand in judgment before our Creator...but fully devoted followers of Jesus will have their sins covered by the Blood of the Atonement.

By golly, you may be right.... Yes, I think I did make a mistake... but you should mark it down.... today, YOU... Starman.... were NOT totally wrong.

You think , so you are not sure
dumb pride prevents you just
openly admitting it.

Combined with your history of
Blatant dishonesty and denials

enough said.

You have educated me about something today. It's not about the authorship of John. If I thought it would be of benefit, I would explain 5 reasons why John the beloved apostle was clearly the writer. What I just learned from you is that you deserve a refund from whatever teacher charged you for the textual criticism class.

If intelligent life can come from nothing, then a divine awareness can too...!

Are you postulating that humans can become divine?

👍. How True.

I have that volume.
These God haters wouldn't be convinced if the rich man from hell came back and talked to them.
For that matter, if their favorite pagan celebrities had their witnessed testimonies certified state issued laminated ID cards notorized by Pilate. 😄
Maybe an introductory class in textual criticism would help........nah.
Whoever pays these guys to waste us christians time, you think they could find better help.

How do non-believers know that ‘any’ of written ancient history wasn’t written ‘after’ the story unfolded, and how do non-believers know that the writers of ‘any’ of written ancient history were actual witnesses, and how do non-believers know that the authors of ‘any’ of written ancient history were actually the ones to put the quill to the paper...? Answer: they don’t.

Non-believers ‘do’ selectively apply different standards to Christian texts though, than they do to ‘all’ of the rest of written ancient history.

You were clearly right.
He just doesn't want to face the fact that Jesus was judged for our sins and satisfied the justice of the Father.
He WILL be judged by the Son some day and hence the Word he is given, yet dies not believe. His works will cone up short. Since he denies Christ's finished works, the result will be his guilty verdict.

He doesn't even claim to believe in either the Father or the Son, nor a future judgement. He's just attacking for the sake of whoever pulls his strings.
He'll enjoy accusing us with a dozen more foolish questions if he can get away with it.

Nope. By “intelligent life” I meant humanity. And by “divine awareness” I meant God.

That's right. We don't, and I have significant doubts regarding many stories about alleged historical figures. Sun Tzu was at best a composite of several persons, if he existed at all. Same can be said of Homer. I even have my doubts about Socrates. Actually read Plato's account of his death and tell me if it sounds like an account of real events, or a story designed to convey a message.

Of course, when I question the existence of Socrates, it makes no difference to my personal philosophy if the words attributed to him were really his, or put into his mouth by Plato, or some scribe 300 years later, unlike Christians for whom a non-excitant Jesus means no trip to heaven.

Well that's a loose end you believers need to tidy-up - where did god come from, maybe some sort of self extinguishing pre-god god?

Given that the rest of the religious story is so "well documented", this is a major loop-hole that totally destroys any attempted credibility - the whole of religion is based on this fatal flaw. It's the same basic question that no-one has an answer for but is the key "foundation" for the whole religious fairy tale.

Unreal. The atheists are after Happy Camper and the believers like the dimocommies, jues, and NWO cabal illuminati Bolsheviks and CCP are after Trump.

Unreal.

Sucking the dick of satan must be very stimulating.

The hounds of the Baskervilles are relentless when after their pound of flesh.

Reminds me of the commies in Hollywood and Government trying to destroy Joe McCarthy.

Wondering how closely related they are, or how closely they are related to the Nephilum, the giants in the illuminati.