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Re: Leupold "adrift in the ocean?" lundtroller #15898250 03/14/21
Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 14,479 North Texas RiverRider Campfire Outfitter
RiverRider Campfire Outfitter Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 14,479 North Texas	LOL. Unfortunately true. Don't be the darkness. America will perish while those who should be standing guard are satisfying their lusts.

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Re: Leupold "adrift in the ocean?" RiverRider #15898382 03/14/21
Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 8,457 The Wrong Side of the Tracks C cisco1 Campfire Outfitter
cisco1 Campfire Outfitter C Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 8,457 The Wrong Side of the Tracks	Ask 100 shooters/ hunters what they want in a rimfire scppe. I wonder how many would prefer a leupy 3 X 9 X 33 AO. I have enough of those ...and they are OK in their mediocrity. I prefer Kahles AH series. The SWFA are Clunkers. Big and Clunky.

Re: Leupold "adrift in the ocean?" dogcatcher223 #15898638 03/14/21
Joined: Apr 2020 Posts: 414 J Japlvr Campfire Member
Japlvr Campfire Member J Joined: Apr 2020 Posts: 414	Originally Posted by dogcatcher223 Newsflash... leupold sucked 15 years ago. Agreed

Re: Leupold "adrift in the ocean?" Pappy348 #15898876 03/14/21
Joined: Feb 2021 Posts: 1,400 Wright County, MN Nollij Campfire Regular
Nollij Campfire Regular Joined: Feb 2021 Posts: 1,400 Wright County, MN	Originally Posted by Pappy348 Originally Posted by RiverRider Being ISO certified has much less to do with achieving true quality than simply documenting your production processes and QC procedures and adhering to them---on paper at least. It does not guarantee a superior product. And once certification is granted all that goes right out the effing window as soon as it entails some added costs, or makes someone sad.... Been there, done that, and all it accomplished was draining the corporate coffers, again, and rid us of all that pesky hard-copy documentation that we only used like nearly every day. Oh yeah, almost forgot, the night shift had to rearrange their schedules and screw up their lives in general so they could attend the stupid-azz seminars. Just another scam like multi-level marketing. It's all about hanging that banner on the building. Had my first I-S-O indoctrination in about 1993. I was in my mid 20's, and reported back to my boss that it was a gang of ex Alliant Tech engineers using scare tactics. My view hasn't changed. "The doors will close on you". "You won't be allowed to do business with any other companies". We used to call them ISO mercenaries. Like stated above, people get the necessary experience, then become part of the pyramid. It's nothing more than re-labeled TQM. Ain't much quality related about it either. It's just paper. For some real fun, take a look at some EN certs, and what they require. I apologize to the OP for the off topic rant. Good to know others see the ISO flush for what it is.

Re: Leupold "adrift in the ocean?" lundtroller #15899134 03/14/21
Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 21,152 N.. Newaukum, Washington J Judman Campfire Ranger
Judman Campfire Ranger J Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 21,152 N.. Newaukum, Washington	Well what are all you hotshots goin with?? Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies. Ain’t easy havin pals.

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Re: Leupold "adrift in the ocean?" lundtroller #15899152 03/14/21
Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 5,596 SW WA bcp Campfire Tracker
bcp Campfire Tracker Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 5,596 SW WA	Lots of people wandering around gun shows here (when they still had them) for the last few years bragging about or looking for under $150 6-24x scopes for their elk rifles. And every show had a table or two of NcSTAR scopes with a crowd around them. Bruce

Re: Leupold "adrift in the ocean?" lundtroller #15899217 03/14/21
Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 21,152 N.. Newaukum, Washington J Judman Campfire Ranger
Judman Campfire Ranger J Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 21,152 N.. Newaukum, Washington	Bruce I notice your from around here, they got a gun show every month or 2 at the old yard birds. Ain’t been to a gunshow in 25 year personally . Never heard of that brand either Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies. Ain’t easy havin pals.

Re: Leupold "adrift in the ocean?" Judman #15899226 03/14/21
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 2,252 Oregon A aheider Campfire Regular
aheider Campfire Regular A Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 2,252 Oregon	Originally Posted by Judman Well what are all you hotshots goin with?? I’m curious too.

Re: Leupold "adrift in the ocean?" Judman #15899273 03/14/21
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bcp Campfire Tracker Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 5,596 SW WA	Originally Posted by Judman Bruce I notice your from around here, they got a gun show every month or 2 at the old yard birds. Ain’t been to a gunshow in 25 year personally . Never heard of that brand either Never been to a Yard Birds show. Often went to the fairgrounds show, and Vancouver and Portland. Portland Expo shows are the ones with lots of cheap Chinese scope tables. I guess those dealers don't go to the little shows. Bruce

Re: Leupold "adrift in the ocean?" lundtroller #15899286 03/14/21
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Judman Campfire Ranger J Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 21,152 N.. Newaukum, Washington	Oh, chink shiit... 👍😂 Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies. Ain’t easy havin pals.

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Re: Leupold "adrift in the ocean?" Judman #15899316 03/14/21
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fburgtx Campfire Tracker F Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 6,075	Originally Posted by Judman Well what are all you hotshots goin with?? I’ma put this on my gold-painted Kimber. Parallax might be an issue, but I’ll be stylin’... https://www.amazon.com/DB-TAC-INC-P...aWNrUmVkaXJlY3QmZG9Ob3RMb2dDbGljaz10cnVl

Re: Leupold "adrift in the ocean?" fburgtx #15899354 03/14/21
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Judman Campfire Ranger J Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 21,152 N.. Newaukum, Washington	Originally Posted by fburgtx Originally Posted by Judman Well what are all you hotshots goin with?? I’ma put this on my gold-painted Kimber. Parallax might be an issue, but I’ll be stylin’... https://www.amazon.com/DB-TAC-INC-P...aWNrUmVkaXJlY3QmZG9Ob3RMb2dDbGljaz10cnVl Haha god damn!!! 😂😂 Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies. Ain’t easy havin pals.

Re: Leupold "adrift in the ocean?" lundtroller #15899744 03/14/21
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Judman Campfire Ranger J Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 21,152 N.. Newaukum, Washington	Geez didn’t mean to slow things down. Open sights?? Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies. Ain’t easy havin pals.

Re: Leupold "adrift in the ocean?" lundtroller #15899769 03/14/21
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Dantheman Campfire Regular Joined: May 2005 Posts: 1,463 Orange County, NY	I happily hunted with a Leupold Vari xii 2-7 for many years. Then I compared it side by side with a Bushnell Elite 2-7 which replaced it. Now the Leupold sits on an old used and abused Savage 23-C in 32-20. Mostly Bushnell 4200's on my main deer rifles. Dan

Re: Leupold "adrift in the ocean?" Big Stick #15899771 03/14/21
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rickt300 Campfire Outfitter R Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 13,355 Texas	Originally Posted by Big Stick You Amazingly STUPID Fhuqks never disappoint and ESPECIALLY when doing your BEST. Hint. Congratulations?!? Bless your hearts for TRYING though. Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING!!!................. I bet Stick doesn't even have a decent boat.

Re: Leupold "adrift in the ocean?" Dantheman #15899781 03/14/21
Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 21,152 N.. Newaukum, Washington J Judman Campfire Ranger
Judman Campfire Ranger J Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 21,152 N.. Newaukum, Washington	Originally Posted by Dantheman I happily hunted with a Leupold Vari xii 2-7 for many years. Then I compared it side by side with a Bushnell Elite 2-7 which replaced it. Now the Leupold sits on an old used and abused Savage 23-C in 32-20. Mostly Bushnell 4200's on my main deer rifles. Dan Nope that doesn’t do it Dan.. sorry 😂😂 Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies. Ain’t easy havin pals.

Re: Leupold "adrift in the ocean?" rickt300 #15899785 03/14/21
Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 21,152 N.. Newaukum, Washington J Judman Campfire Ranger
Judman Campfire Ranger J Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 21,152 N.. Newaukum, Washington	Originally Posted by rickt300 Originally Posted by Big Stick You Amazingly STUPID Fhuqks never disappoint and ESPECIALLY when doing your BEST. Hint. Congratulations?!? Bless your hearts for TRYING though. Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING!!!................. I bet Stick doesn't even have a decent boat. Um, LarryO has a few, but none run!!! To much of a commitment, flossing steelhead trumps “fishing”.... grin Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies. Ain’t easy havin pals.

Re: Leupold "adrift in the ocean?" RiverRider #15899874 03/14/21
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 17,235 The Land of Cotton GeoW Campfire Ranger
GeoW Campfire Ranger Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 17,235 The Land of Cotton	Originally Posted by RiverRider Originally Posted by JoeBob Originally Posted by PaulBarnard Originally Posted by elkaddict SWFA is not out of business, and as I understand it, Nikon got out primarily for political reasons. Can't speak for Weaver. SWFA may not be out of business, but it sure as hell is hard to buy one of their scopes. The shipments from China take awhile. They're made in Japan, not China. Yep with a name change from Tasco to SuperSniper.. "I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." Thomas Jefferson GeoW, The "Unwoke" ...Let's go Brandon! "A Well Regulated Militia" Life Member

Re: Leupold "adrift in the ocean?" elkaddict #15899974 03/15/21
Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,461 NSW, Australia Elvis Campfire Regular
Elvis Campfire Regular Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,461 NSW, Australia	Originally Posted by elkaddict Good question. I've wondered the same about one of my Z3 that continues to have tracking problems even after a trip to the factory. As I recall, Swarovski recommends the lightest scope ring tightening of any scope I've played with. I was a bit disappointed with the tracking of my last Z3 3-9x36. Lovely little scope, but it took longer to sight in than any Leupold I've ever tried (about 20). Ditto for my one and only Meopta. Last edited by Elvis; 03/15/21.

Re: Leupold "adrift in the ocean?" Judman #15900443 03/15/21
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dogcatcher223 Campfire Ranger D Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 17,527 Colorado	Originally Posted by Judman Originally Posted by rickt300 Originally Posted by Big Stick You Amazingly STUPID Fhuqks never disappoint and ESPECIALLY when doing your BEST. Hint. Congratulations?!? Bless your hearts for TRYING though. Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING!!!................. I bet Stick doesn't even have a decent boat. Um, LarryO has a few, but none run!!! To much of a commitment, flossing steelhead trumps “fishing”.... grin What's with all poseur Larry's scopes wearing buttplugs? Not mounted on a rifle, he must be sitting on them.

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