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Don't be the darkness.
America will perish while those who should be standing guard are satisfying their lusts.
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Ask 100 shooters/ hunters what they want in a rimfire scppe.
I wonder how many would prefer a leupy 3 X 9 X 33 AO.
I have enough of those ...and they are OK in their mediocrity.
I prefer Kahles AH series. The SWFA are Clunkers. Big and Clunky.
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Newsflash... leupold sucked 15 years ago. Agreed
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Being ISO certified has much less to do with achieving true quality than simply documenting your production processes and QC procedures and adhering to them---on paper at least. It does not guarantee a superior product. And once certification is granted all that goes right out the effing window as soon as it entails some added costs, or makes someone sad.... Been there, done that, and all it accomplished was draining the corporate coffers, again, and rid us of all that pesky hard-copy documentation that we only used like nearly every day. Oh yeah, almost forgot, the night shift had to rearrange their schedules and screw up their lives in general so they could attend the stupid-azz seminars. Just another scam like multi-level marketing. It's all about hanging that banner on the building. Had my first I-S-O indoctrination in about 1993. I was in my mid 20's, and reported back to my boss that it was a gang of ex Alliant Tech engineers using scare tactics. My view hasn't changed. "The doors will close on you". "You won't be allowed to do business with any other companies". We used to call them ISO mercenaries. Like stated above, people get the necessary experience, then become part of the pyramid. It's nothing more than re-labeled TQM. Ain't much quality related about it either. It's just paper. For some real fun, take a look at some EN certs, and what they require. I apologize to the OP for the off topic rant. Good to know others see the ISO flush for what it is.
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Well what are all you hotshots goin with??
Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
Ain’t easy havin pals.
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Lots of people wandering around gun shows here (when they still had them) for the last few years bragging about or looking for under $150 6-24x scopes for their elk rifles.
And every show had a table or two of NcSTAR scopes with a crowd around them.
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Bruce I notice your from around here, they got a gun show every month or 2 at the old yard birds. Ain’t been to a gunshow in 25 year personally . Never heard of that brand either
Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
Ain’t easy havin pals.
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Well what are all you hotshots goin with?? I’m curious too.
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Bruce I notice your from around here, they got a gun show every month or 2 at the old yard birds. Ain’t been to a gunshow in 25 year personally . Never heard of that brand either Never been to a Yard Birds show. Often went to the fairgrounds show, and Vancouver and Portland. Portland Expo shows are the ones with lots of cheap Chinese scope tables. I guess those dealers don't go to the little shows. Bruce
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Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
Ain’t easy havin pals.
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Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
Ain’t easy havin pals.
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Geez didn’t mean to slow things down. Open sights??
Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
Ain’t easy havin pals.
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I happily hunted with a Leupold Vari xii 2-7 for many years. Then I compared it side by side with a Bushnell Elite 2-7 which replaced it.
Now the Leupold sits on an old used and abused Savage 23-C in 32-20. Mostly Bushnell 4200's on my main deer rifles.
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You Amazingly STUPID Fhuqks never disappoint and ESPECIALLY when doing your BEST. Hint. Congratulations?!? Bless your hearts for TRYING though. Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING!!!................. I bet Stick doesn't even have a decent boat.
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I happily hunted with a Leupold Vari xii 2-7 for many years. Then I compared it side by side with a Bushnell Elite 2-7 which replaced it.
Now the Leupold sits on an old used and abused Savage 23-C in 32-20. Mostly Bushnell 4200's on my main deer rifles.
Dan Nope that doesn’t do it Dan.. sorry 😂😂
Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
Ain’t easy havin pals.
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You Amazingly STUPID Fhuqks never disappoint and ESPECIALLY when doing your BEST. Hint. Congratulations?!? Bless your hearts for TRYING though. Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING!!!................. I bet Stick doesn't even have a decent boat. Um, LarryO has a few, but none run!!! To much of a commitment, flossing steelhead trumps “fishing”.... grin
Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
Ain’t easy havin pals.
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SWFA is not out of business, and as I understand it, Nikon got out primarily for political reasons. Can't speak for Weaver. SWFA may not be out of business, but it sure as hell is hard to buy one of their scopes. The shipments from China take awhile. They're made in Japan, not China. Yep with a name change from Tasco to SuperSniper..
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Good question. I've wondered the same about one of my Z3 that continues to have tracking problems even after a trip to the factory. As I recall, Swarovski recommends the lightest scope ring tightening of any scope I've played with.
I was a bit disappointed with the tracking of my last Z3 3-9x36. Lovely little scope, but it took longer to sight in than any Leupold I've ever tried (about 20). Ditto for my one and only Meopta.
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You Amazingly STUPID Fhuqks never disappoint and ESPECIALLY when doing your BEST. Hint. Congratulations?!? Bless your hearts for TRYING though. Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING!!!................. I bet Stick doesn't even have a decent boat. Um, LarryO has a few, but none run!!! To much of a commitment, flossing steelhead trumps “fishing”.... grin What's with all poseur Larry's scopes wearing buttplugs? Not mounted on a rifle, he must be sitting on them.
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