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Re: M-70 Why so few... [Re: flintlocke] #15903884 03/16/21
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Originally Posted by flintlocke
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Simple, really. Model 70s don't need an entire cottage industry like 700s to make them work....

Truer words were never spoken.


Signature line there Jorge.

I may unabashedly steal that.


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Re: M-70 Why so few... [Re: nyrifleman] #15903906 03/16/21
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I've never noticed. Seems to be enough out there for model 70's. Although, they don't need new triggers, extractors, and the bolt handles tend to stay attached...


Not to mention they don't tend to fire at random times.


I kinda like that part myself.


When I hunt the Adirondacks I hunt mostly solo. When I do hunt in a group I do not allow anyone packing a 700 to walk behind me while on a trail.


Not a bad practice.


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Re: M-70 Why so few... [Re: Uncas] #15903994 03/16/21
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Way more dangerous to drive to dinner...

Re: M-70 Why so few... [Re: Uncas] #15904223 03/16/21
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The rifles I hunt with are primarily M70's and mostly because I got my 1st M70 @ 15 and the trigger just "feels right".

I've hunted plenty w/700's as well but I can't say I've ever felt unsafe doing so.

I mostly hunt afoot with a cold chamber regardless the rifle I'm carrying, maybe that's part of it??

Regarding the OP specifically, most of my Winchesters have had the stocks replaced w/McMillans either direct from McM or by nabbing Win-Lights, swapping stocks and getting rid of the push-feeds. I've got one Brown Precision I nabbed in the classifieds here, 2 HS Precision, and I've used at least one of the B&C Medalist stocks as well.

It's disappointing to me to see that McM has dropped the Fwt pattern as it's my favorite, probably mostly due to familiarity. I like a slim forend and pistol-grip.


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Re: M-70 Why so few... [Re: mjbgalt] #15904252 03/16/21
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Originally Posted by mjbgalt
Way more dangerous to drive to dinner...


True.

I don't take unnecessary risk with either.


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Re: M-70 Why so few... [Re: Uncas] #15904353 03/16/21
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I've sent more M-70s back to the factory for repairs than 700s.......

Re: M-70 Why so few... [Re: Uncas] #15904369 03/16/21
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I will take a M98/M70 over a Remington 700 every time. That said for wearing out cheap barrels a M700 can't be beat.

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Re: M-70 Why so few... [Re: Uncas] #15904405 03/16/21
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I think that the Winchester, Remington, Ruger debate is analogous to the Chevy, Dodge, Ford debate over which is the better pickup truck.

I've owned well over 100 Winchester 70s and a like number of Remington 700s, never had, or have personally seen, any of the problems with the Remington 700s that are repeatedly brought up. There have been over 5,000,000 Remington 700s sold, so it is logical to expect that as in any high volume production environment there will be a small, less than 1%, error rate. In high volume production, perfect is the enemy of good.

Buy whatever product appeals to you. Use it as is, or modify is to better suit your specific wants and needs. Personally, I have modified hundreds of firearms to suit my specific wants and needs better than they did in their original factory specs. I've cared enough to buy 70 or so McMillan stocks to replace perfectly useable original factory stocks because they fit my wants better. Most people don't care enough to spend much extra money to close the gap between good and better.

Re: M-70 Why so few... [Re: Uncas] #15904462 03/16/21
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So, I have been working over another M-70. About finished and to the range for testing. As a fowl weather gun I care about the easy bolt takedown. I do not have to guess that the striker is clean and in order to fire. I can really take or leave the three position safety. Twice I have ended up at the bottom of a slide with a bolt open M 700 round ejected, empty rifle in hand. Old 700s locked the bolt down with the safety on. Smarter now I do not chamber a round until about to shoot. So I guess that is less of an issue. While I have 19 years bear hunting in Alaska with mostly a .416 all of the Alaska animals taken by myself and friends have been with a glass stocked 30'06 700 Mountain gun. Light, handy,
unfailingly accurate. But most importantly lucky. It was always nearby when something needed shot. So much for the Mountain gun. This M-70 is a SS BOSS equipped 30,06. It has a 47-0 score on Kansas white tails. I check zero every 20 cartridges. The last group was 1.25" @ 300 paces... then we all got Lazers...so call that 285 yards very close to average range shooting deer over Winter Wheat in December.


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Re: M-70 Why so few... [Re: Uncas] #15904480 03/16/21
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Yeah that's a good point. 1/4 of one percent of 5 million is still 12,500.

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I did have to have 1 pre 64 Mod 70s repaired. The firing pin would release when the safety was put on fire and cause the gun to fire. Luckily I found that out at the range. This is the only one I had problems with. I much prefer the action and safety on the Mod 70 than the 700. The triggers are better on my m70s than on the one Remington I have (Well not anymore since I put a Trigger Tech trigger in the 700.). The m70 bolt is much easier to disassemble and clean.

Re: M-70 Why so few... [Re: mjbgalt] #15904525 03/16/21
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Originally Posted by mjbgalt
Yeah that's a good point. 1/4 of one percent of 5 million is still 12,500.


1/400th seems like pretty good odds of not getting a lemon. Who wouldn't bet big if you were going to win 399 time out of 400?

Of course, I took Winchester 70s to Africa and put together a pair Mauser for next time, if there ever is a next time.

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Dunno. Lots of people still hiding from a virus that is 1/400th...not a lot of brains out there.

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Originally Posted by mjbgalt
Dunno. Lots of people still hiding from a virus that is 1/400th...not a lot of brains out there.


If it gives them peace of mind and they can afford to hibernate they aren't doing any harm except by the reduction of their use of the service and hospitality industries.

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Just that they are unable to calculate odds and think they are somehow different than, and better than, everyone else.

Re: M-70 Why so few... [Re: Uncas] #15904834 03/16/21
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It took two years of semi serious searching to find a stock I liked for the M-70...Still looking for a silver steel Pick type base set for a standard pattern M-70...I have 3/8' hole space for the 375 /Safari receivers in blue. A shoe box full of M700 silver bases and rings all kinds. Just not finding bases for that BOSS gun.


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Originally Posted by mjbgalt
Just that they are unable to calculate odds and think they are somehow different than, and better than, everyone else.


If they minimize contact with other people and aggressively use disinfectant on things that come into their home, don't they reduce their risk?

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Originally Posted by 260Remguy
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Just that they are unable to calculate odds and think they are somehow different than, and better than, everyone else.


If they minimize contact with other people and aggressively use disinfectant on things that come into their home, don't they reduce their risk?

I’m pretty sure that his overall point is that for something with a 1/400th risk there sure are a lot of stupid people that can’t calculate risk. As compared to the hysteria and damage done to the economy and personal freedom over the last one year plus of silly lockdowns, school closings, mask mandates ect.

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Yep

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Originally Posted by Uncas
It took two years of semi serious searching to find a stock I liked for the M-70...Still looking for a silver steel Pick type base set for a standard pattern M-70...I have 3/8' hole space for the 375 /Safari receivers in blue. A shoe box full of M700 silver bases and rings all kinds. Just not finding bases for that BOSS gun.



Try finding a drop in synthetic stock for a Win 670 blind mag w/ 3 pos safety.
Don't know, maybe they never made one.

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