Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire In your opinion, is there a final straw that pushes us to a hot civil war?

Things go to crap the FIRST thing cops will do is hide their uniform and likely get the hell out of dodge .
Same with military members --> there's WAY MORE of us than there are of them .

Easiest solution without a civil war? Its very simple......anyone who turns away from the principles this country was founded on could have a bounty placed on them. Wouldnt take long for our "leaders" to straighten up. However, i would never condone violence!😬

80 million people are a lot more than the ruling class. Piss them off one more time real good.

What will start things faster than anything else is to have the govt start shooting and killing our own citizens.

There's a couple of recent events that prove 2 things..

1) Our govt cares much more and favors foreign illegal aliens much more than legitimate citizens.

2) "Labels" are being added to those who don't agree with the socialism/communism. (In order to kill people, you have to label them Nazi, White Supremacist, Terrorist, etc. ... then it's okay to kill them. Our govt and media will say so.)

Revolutions happen when things are improving for most everyone, but not fast enough for anyone.

Civil wars happen when the improvement isn't broad based and leaves a bunch behind, that's kind of why the South got cranky. The Northeast was moving fast into the industrial age, gaining population, et cetera, while the South stayed agrarian/commodity and whatever growth you'd get was based on pricing, plus maybe some productivity increases, but nothing of the sort you get when something truly new hits the market.

That's kind of happening now, and it's happening in demographics that used to be the most content, the most trusting, those most willing to stick with the rules they were taught. We are, too quickly, shifting to an objectively-oligarchic model. Our politics now are purely about money, and we have a news media so desperate for money they will never bite the last hands still feeding them. It's disgusting to me, the billions secretly laundered and washed, yet the mighty "press" can't be bothered to investigate who PAID for all those high-dollar Big Lies.

On the bright side, back in 2009, I ran the numbers on the 22LR part of Obamapanic 1. Something like two billion rounds were bought up in the six months after the election. If you break down who would be buying those rounds, out of the self-identified conservative/independent/liberal blocks, which was like 35/45/20, guess that half of independents stocked up while liberals felt all warm and fuzzy....conservatives bought 32 rounds for every liberal in America. Just in 22 long rifle. And ammo demand plus consumption has been strong all that time since.

I think there's going to come a time when a critical mass of "ordinary Americans" will be facing losing it all, these will be proud people who have done what was expected of them, are decent, moral, honest, and yes, patriots. A lot of them were at the "insurrection" and were not violent, didn't lose themselves in the moment. The way they've been treated and too often mischaracterized is not something they'll forget -- and the more Americans who have that experience, the closer we get to critical mass.

It’s something that guys who hack off to Road House dream of but it won’t happen. The just want to talk about it on the internet.

When conservatives realize that their votes no longer count, and stop believing that we can fix the nation's problems in the next election.

If you live through the initial phase you will need food , water and a way to defend it. I would start there. Basic medical supplies after that.

Trades are highly valued and paid accordingly in Northern Europe.

A lot of those who were there and not violent were still labeled as "terrorists" and are being rounded up as we speak.

A large population of people who once had means to provide food, shelter, water, and sanitation for themselves and families. Now finding it all gone, and a clear path to who caused their hardship, and for a political purpose.

This would touch off a massive rebellion that would turn into a revolution.

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Wont see large scale North v. South type conflict in your lifetime.

I agree. These needs can be had in a crude fashion too. Helping others of like minded people seems a good idea too. The modern business world calls that networking. In fact the power outage in Texas recently is a good example. Having knowledge of how to treat most any water so it's safe to drink is important. Food can be tougher though. Most of us here already know how to use our firearms for defense, although some extra insight and training would be very good too.

Nope. Then they'll just cry louder for the gooberment to save them

I tend to agree with that. I believe a large part of our population could have a herd of hogs across the road from them and still starve to death.

It takes a certain type of people for an armed rebellion. "We" aren't that people anymore. By (((design))). We have had that character....and pretty much all good character... worked out of us over the past hundred years or so, through movies, television, pop music, pop "culture", etc.

"We" are no longer even a people. "We" are SO disparate, SO different, SO divided... if "we" ever rebelled, "we" would not be able to agree upon what we were fighting for, nor would "we" be able to decide (or even discern) just who "we" were fighting against. Again, all by (((design))).

That's becoming more evident every day and it's going to get worse for American Caucasians. That's why I said that white Americans with the ability to do so will start leaving America.

The prospect of being a part of a country that has maintained a cohesive culture,..that isn't ruled over by a huge, imperial government, will start to seem very attractive to many people.

It does to me. But I'm too old to start over at that level.

I told my kids 15 years ago that they needed to start considering leaving this country. They looked at me like I was crazy. I'm not sure what they think about it today.

It could be that they're more acclimated to an America that is as it is today.

I'm not. I knew it when it was still much closer to its original intent than it is today,..and I've got enough years and perspective to realize how fast it's declining.

Most people that talk about elsewhere being better have not been anywhere.


mike r

People are already forgetting what it was like before masks and lockdowns. They won't remember what it was like 20 or 40 years ago.

Won't be much difference if the degrading and dilution keeps up at the rate it's at now.