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So you believe Jesus was telling those with a relationship with Him to eat His flesh and drink His blood, and you're not a Catholic of the Roman variety?


Correct. Never been a Romanist; my tradition actually names the Pope as a force of anti-Christ. We also explicitly reject the doctrine of transubstantiation.

Genuine question... if Jesus said something in Scripture are we who are in a saving relationship with Him bound to believe He meant it?

Another genuine question for all Christians; is the physical world the only “reality” there is? Can, in the instance of our Lord’s Supper, one believe that there is, mysteriously, a REAL presence as He said, while rejecting transubstantiation?


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The real evidence of His love was displayed on the cross. How religious was that? Goodness man!


Religion is defined as: a particular system of faith and worship so yeah, given that I believe that He truly offered Himself on the cross, was in the ground for 3 days, and that God resurrected Him from the dead, I’d say that’s religious in its nature.

Unless we’re using a different definition of the word “religion”?




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What has gotten into you these days?


Nothing new... I have always believed in the words of our Lord recorded in Scripture:

John 6: 53 So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day. 55 For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. 56 Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him.

And in His supper:

Mt 26: 26 Now as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and after blessing it broke it and gave it to the disciples, and said, “Take, eat; this is my body.” 27 And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, saying, “Drink of it, all of you, 28 for this is my blood of the[c] covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. 29 I tell you I will not drink again of this fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.”

And then just to reenforce the point the Apostle Paul says:

1 Cor 11: 23 For I received from the Lord what I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night when he was betrayed took bread, 24 and when he had given thanks, he broke it, and said, “This is my body, which is for[f] you. Do this in remembrance of me.”[g] 25 In the same way also he took the cup, after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me.” 26 For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes.


I tend to believe that all of these passages are absolutely true and that, in His lovingkindness, Christ left this as a gift for His people.

Do you disagree?

I’m genuinely interested in anyone’s answers to the questions above. They have lead me to my thoughts on the supper.







I think the clarification by Paul is helpful. He quotes Jesus. Jesus said when he broke the bread, "this is my body which is for you". It was a symbol. It wasn't his literal body. His literal body was saying it. We partake of the symbols in remembrance of his death. I don't see any need for transubstiation or mysticism.

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One last point. For a Christian, life on this earth, no matter how bad, is as bad as it is ever going to get. For an unbeliever, this life is as good as it is ever going to get.

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And they shall build houses, and inhabit them, and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.
They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat


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One last point. For a Christian, life on this earth, no matter how bad, is as bad as it is ever going to get. For an unbeliever, this life is as good as it is ever going to get.



Please prove this bold statement.

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Originally Posted by Rickshaw

I think the clarification by Paul is helpful. He quotes Jesus. Jesus said when he broke the bread, "this is my body which is for you". It was a symbol. It wasn't his literal body. His literal body was saying it. We partake of the symbols in remembrance of his death. I don't see any need for transubstiation or mysticism.


This is the view I was raised with.

My questions are:

1) does Paul say Christ was speaking symbolically; should our interpretation of that passage take place taking the words of our Lord in John 6 into account?

2) do you believe the Scriptures to be literally true?

3) is it mysticism to say that something supernatural is going on if God says there is even when we can’t quantify it or observe it with our physical senses?

4) do you believe that the spiritual realm is just as real as the one in which we sit right now?

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Originally Posted by BRISTECD
One last point. For a Christian, life on this earth, no matter how bad, is as bad as it is ever going to get. For an unbeliever, this life is as good as it is ever going to get.



Please prove this bold statement.



If you won’t believe me now, what makes you think you would believe if I showed you?

Luke 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

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Yep, there is a big difference between religion and relationship. Kinda like having a backstage pass instead the cheap seats in the nose bleed section.


In the case of Christianity those who have a relationship with our Lord get to observe His invitation to feast on His flesh and drink His blood, and be washed of wine by the waters of baptism on His account, all of which are recognized as intimately real evidence of His love AND religious in their nature.

A twofer.


what does that even mean?? that is the most bibled up gobbledygook crap. I heard that kind of stuff my whole life, sitting in the 3rd pew every freaking service the church had...and I'm thinking, what does this stuff even MEAN?

that was 40 years ago and It still sounds like some gobbledygook that someone made up to get the attention of people who would cough up money to hear it.

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Originally Posted by BRISTECD
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Originally Posted by BRISTECD
One last point. For a Christian, life on this earth, no matter how bad, is as bad as it is ever going to get. For an unbeliever, this life is as good as it is ever going to get.



Please prove this bold statement.



If you won’t believe me now, what makes you think you would believe if I showed you?

Luke 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.


Why should anyone believe anything in the Bible?


You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.

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Wondering. Have any of you ever wondered just what a soul that goes to Heaven does when it gets there? Do souls eat and if so, is there a central dining hall for all heavenly souls? What kind of food is served and how often? Does a soul sleep and if so, where? Does a soul have its own house, apartment, condo, cabin, etc.? Or is there just one gigantic barracks where all souls sleep? Do Heavenly souls get together with the souls of loved ones who also went to Heaven? Do souls not do much but walk around on golden streets in long white robes playing golden harps throughout eternity? Other questions but these'll do.

Just wondering.

L.W.



I'm really curious about this too.


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Wondering. Have any of you ever wondered just what a soul that goes to Heaven does when it gets there? Do souls eat and if so, is there a central dining hall for all heavenly souls? What kind of food is served and how often? Does a soul sleep and if so, where? Does a soul have its own house, apartment, condo, cabin, etc.? Or is there just one gigantic barracks where all souls sleep? Do Heavenly souls get together with the souls of loved ones who also went to Heaven? Do souls not do much but walk around on golden streets in long white robes playing golden harps throughout eternity? Other questions but these'll do.

Just wondering.

L.W.



I'm really curious about this too.


It'll be worship 24/7, anything less just doesn't show sufficient gratitude for eternal salvation (no free ride)


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Whatever you said...everyone knows you are a lying jerk.

That's a bold assertion. Point out where you think I lied.

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i believe if jesus was alive and walking and talking on urth, he and trump would be side by side and advising everyone to receive a shot in the arm. it'd be helping people in this life before departing for the heavenly zone.


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Originally Posted by Leanwolf

Wondering. Have any of you ever wondered just what a soul that goes to Heaven does when it gets there? Do souls eat and if so, is there a central dining hall for all heavenly souls? What kind of food is served and how often? Does a soul sleep and if so, where? Does a soul have its own house, apartment, condo, cabin, etc.? Or is there just one gigantic barracks where all souls sleep? Do Heavenly souls get together with the souls of loved ones who also went to Heaven? Do souls not do much but walk around on golden streets in long white robes playing golden harps throughout eternity? Other questions but these'll do.

Just wondering.

L.W.



I'm really curious about this too.


It'll be worship 24/7, anything less just doesn't show sufficient gratitude for eternal salvation (no free ride)




Oh, OK..I knew there would be a simple answer.

So if you go to hell, what goes on down there...just pain and suffering for eternity?.....asking for a friend.


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One last point. For a Christian, life on this earth, no matter how bad, is as bad as it is ever going to get. For an unbeliever, this life is as good as it is ever going to get.



Please prove this bold statement.



If you won’t believe me now, what makes you think you would believe if I showed you?

Luke 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.


Why should anyone believe anything in the Bible?


Why believe something in a Quantum Physics book? You probably understand as much of that.

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Originally Posted by Leanwolf

Wondering. Have any of you ever wondered just what a soul that goes to Heaven does when it gets there? Do souls eat and if so, is there a central dining hall for all heavenly souls? What kind of food is served and how often? Does a soul sleep and if so, where? Does a soul have its own house, apartment, condo, cabin, etc.? Or is there just one gigantic barracks where all souls sleep? Do Heavenly souls get together with the souls of loved ones who also went to Heaven? Do souls not do much but walk around on golden streets in long white robes playing golden harps throughout eternity? Other questions but these'll do. Just wondering. L.W.

I'm really curious about this too.

It'll be worship 24/7, anything less just doesn't show sufficient gratitude for eternal salvation (no free ride)

Oh, OK..I knew there would be a simple answer. So if you go to hell, what goes on down there...just pain and suffering for eternity?.....asking for a friend.
Ingwe and others here - I do not know a simple answer with specifics for either - the eternal doings in Heaven or in Hell. Although having read quite a bit, I still wonder as well. For Christians, those descriptions are found at various points in the Holy Bible. I do not try to interpret the Bible for others and, as far as I can remember, have not quoted Scripture on here as a response to anyone or anything. I do not wish to start now at this late date - but firmly believe some good answers are there. In my case, the relationship with God is very personal - not associated with any particular denomination or church - and the search of the Scriptures is the same. Wondering takes some folks to that source.


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Originally Posted by ingwe
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Originally Posted by Leanwolf

Wondering. Have any of you ever wondered just what a soul that goes to Heaven does when it gets there? Do souls eat and if so, is there a central dining hall for all heavenly souls? What kind of food is served and how often? Does a soul sleep and if so, where? Does a soul have its own house, apartment, condo, cabin, etc.? Or is there just one gigantic barracks where all souls sleep? Do Heavenly souls get together with the souls of loved ones who also went to Heaven? Do souls not do much but walk around on golden streets in long white robes playing golden harps throughout eternity? Other questions but these'll do.

Just wondering.

L.W.



I'm really curious about this too.


It'll be worship 24/7, anything less just doesn't show sufficient gratitude for eternal salvation (no free ride)




Oh, OK..I knew there would be a simple answer.

So if you go to hell, what goes on down there...just pain and suffering for eternity?.....asking for a friend.


Tell your friend that the answer to his question is "probably". Mind you the non-stop worshipping in heaven doesn't sound like a lot of fun. Muslims can become eligible for 72 virgins providing they follow the correct entry conditions, but probably want to check out the fine print for better clarification/qualification.

There's still a purgatory period for Catholics though before they can enter heaven - in the old days one could pay the church to reduce or even eliminate the purgatory period, and you could buy vouchers to give friends and family.

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Whatever you said...everyone knows you are a lying jerk.

That's a bold assertion. Point out where you think I lied.

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Originally Posted by BRISTECD
One last point. For a Christian, life on this earth, no matter how bad, is as bad as it is ever going to get. For an unbeliever, this life is as good as it is ever going to get.



Please prove this bold statement.



If you won’t believe me now, what makes you think you would believe if I showed you?

Luke 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.


Why should anyone believe anything in the Bible?


Why believe something in a Quantum Physics book? You probably understand as much of that.


Nobody is told to believe in quantum physics. It's up to the individual to study QM, if they are interested.

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It still sounds like some gobbledygook that someone made up to get the attention of people who would cough up money to hear it.


As an act of Christian charity and goodwill what little I have I offer you for free; no “coughing up” of money to hear it.

I did expand upon what I was saying in the following posts if your question wasn’t rhetorical.

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I'll just Trust in The Lord.


when people say this....especially when they refer to some noteworthy or important life event that needs or requires significant effort, they say "well..I'm just going to turn it over to the lord and let him lead me and it's in his hands" (Translate)- PhuQ this, I'm tired of trying and I give up, and if this (event) turns to total horse-Schite then my smugness with religion should persuade anyone watching that I gave it my all...

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