24hourcampfire.com
24hourcampfire.com
-->
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Hop To
Page 1 of 10 1 2 3 9 10
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 5,623
C
Campfire Tracker
OP Online Content
Campfire Tracker
C
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 5,623
Got something to throw out there..
I’ll try to include as many details as I can

Myself (plumber) and a couple of our hvac guys installed 2 new RBI dominator boilers for a high school pool.
2 1/2” copper lines in and out...
The boilers and circ pumps and mixing valve were purchased from a local boiler supply house who sells the entire package together as a unit so I have to assume things are all specd to work together. We have purchased and installed roughy half a dozen of this set up with no issues..
Pump is B&G with 3” flanges and volute. I don’t know why it’s 3” when boiler inlet and outlet is 2 1/2 but..? Male adapters and Reducers on either side of the flanges.

1st time plumbed it all in using Apollo crimp fittings. All good. Approx 2 months and pinhole leak from just below the pump.
(Pump pulls water and feeds into boiler inlet)
Said what the hell...? Maybe a bad piece of copper. Cut it out and noted it was quite pitted but only in certain areas..
Replaced the section but sweat this time just to remove the crimp fittings from the equation.

Maybe 2 months and pinhole in the exact same spot. Cut it out and the same thing....
I’ve seen plenty of copper eaten away from much too powerful circ pumps. And that on domestic lines. This is obviously chlorinated pool water but we have 4 other pools and nothing like this.
Again this is one of 2 identical boilers side by side and the other has experienced no problems

Toss some ideas out.. I’m sure I missed a few things but I’ll try to answer any questions


She never made it past the bedroom door, what was she aiming for...?
She's gone shootin..
GB1

Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 5,623
C
Campfire Tracker
OP Online Content
Campfire Tracker
C
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 5,623
Just the one clean line...no pitting anywhere else
[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]


She never made it past the bedroom door, what was she aiming for...?
She's gone shootin..
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 5,623
C
Campfire Tracker
OP Online Content
Campfire Tracker
C
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 5,623
[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]


She never made it past the bedroom door, what was she aiming for...?
She's gone shootin..
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 5,623
C
Campfire Tracker
OP Online Content
Campfire Tracker
C
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 5,623
Pump sits atop the flange in pic and pulls water down and into boiler...
line of pitting runs between my two fingers..
[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]


She never made it past the bedroom door, what was she aiming for...?
She's gone shootin..
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 66,797
Campfire Kahuna
Offline
Campfire Kahuna
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 66,797
Turbulence?

Too many fitting too close together?

IC B2

Joined: May 2016
Posts: 60,270
J
Campfire Kahuna
Offline
Campfire Kahuna
J
Joined: May 2016
Posts: 60,270
Preferential corrosion.


I am MAGA.
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 9,209
Campfire Outfitter
Offline
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 9,209
Cavitation.....its a biotch. Can your 90 be any farther away?


Originally Posted by BrentD

I would not buy something that runs on any kind of primer given the possibility of primer shortages and even regulations. In fact, why not buy a flintlock? Really. Rocks aren't going away anytime soon.
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 9,209
Campfire Outfitter
Offline
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 9,209


Originally Posted by BrentD

I would not buy something that runs on any kind of primer given the possibility of primer shortages and even regulations. In fact, why not buy a flintlock? Really. Rocks aren't going away anytime soon.
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 5,623
C
Campfire Tracker
OP Online Content
Campfire Tracker
C
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 5,623
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Preferential corrosion.

Elaborate big Jim...


She never made it past the bedroom door, what was she aiming for...?
She's gone shootin..
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 5,623
C
Campfire Tracker
OP Online Content
Campfire Tracker
C
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 5,623
Originally Posted by high_country_
Cavitation.....its a biotch. Can your 90 be any farther away?

That’s my general suspicion and have seen it elsewhere but never this extreme...??
What’s odd is this boiler has an exact twin right next to it with no problems..? Same pool(water chemical concentration) same pump same boiler and plumbed identically


She never made it past the bedroom door, what was she aiming for...?
She's gone shootin..
IC B3

Joined: Nov 2015
Posts: 5,607
H
Campfire Tracker
Offline
Campfire Tracker
H
Joined: Nov 2015
Posts: 5,607
Looks like iron in the water, copper and who knows if a water treatment chemical. Have been causing electrolysis, in a cavitation eddy! This happens behind pipe joints and elbows most often! Extra grounding may be in order!

Last edited by Heym06; 03/30/21.
Joined: Nov 2018
Posts: 16,941
Campfire Ranger
Offline
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Nov 2018
Posts: 16,941
Electrolysis


Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 5,623
C
Campfire Tracker
OP Online Content
Campfire Tracker
C
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 5,623
Originally Posted by slumlord
Turbulence?

Too many fitting too close together?

Slum the line comes straight down and into the pump so the only directional fitting in play is the lone 90


She never made it past the bedroom door, what was she aiming for...?
She's gone shootin..
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 8,143
Campfire Outfitter
Offline
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 8,143

Are you operating on a performace spec or prescriptive spec?

e.g. - are you building off a set of design plans that say install this . . . or are you just told install something that works?

Joined: May 2016
Posts: 60,270
J
Campfire Kahuna
Offline
Campfire Kahuna
J
Joined: May 2016
Posts: 60,270
Originally Posted by Certifiable
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Preferential corrosion.

Elaborate big Jim...



Haha! Beats me.


We were pulling a string of tubing out of an oil well one time.


Right along the seam....on one joint....was a line of pitting just like that.


Boss man said it was preferential corrosion.


I am MAGA.
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 9,209
Campfire Outfitter
Offline
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 9,209
Originally Posted by Certifiable
Originally Posted by high_country_
Cavitation.....its a biotch. Can your 90 be any farther away?

That’s my general suspicion and have seen it elsewhere but never this extreme...??
What’s odd is this boiler has an exact twin right next to it with no problems..? Same pool(water chemical concentration) same pump same boiler and plumbed identically


Could be a difference in casting or the upstream flow characteristics....possibly inaccuracies in the frequency drive....just possibilities.


Originally Posted by BrentD

I would not buy something that runs on any kind of primer given the possibility of primer shortages and even regulations. In fact, why not buy a flintlock? Really. Rocks aren't going away anytime soon.
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 3,150
Campfire Tracker
Offline
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 3,150
Originally Posted by Morewood
Electrolysis


This.

BP...




Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 5,623
C
Campfire Tracker
OP Online Content
Campfire Tracker
C
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 5,623
Originally Posted by boilerpig1
Originally Posted by Morewood
Electrolysis


This.

BP...


Not ruling anything out.. care to elaborate? I understand dissimilar metal corrosion and that chlorinated pool water does not help that equation, but this seems awfully extreme and isolated?


She never made it past the bedroom door, what was she aiming for...?
She's gone shootin..
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 5,623
C
Campfire Tracker
OP Online Content
Campfire Tracker
C
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 5,623
Originally Posted by MuskegMan

Are you operating on a performace spec or prescriptive spec?

e.g. - are you building off a set of design plans that say install this . . . or are you just told install something that works?

MM..more so the latter. To be honest it’s new territory and a few of us just do the installs to learn. The company we buy the system from comes out and does the initial start up in accordance with warranty.. and they always pass, and in fact compliment the install..


She never made it past the bedroom door, what was she aiming for...?
She's gone shootin..
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 9,209
Campfire Outfitter
Offline
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 9,209
Did you put a meter on it to see if there's any stray current?

Typically if we could stay 10ish pipe diameters before the fittings it smoothed out....5 was the minimum but often not enough to stop cav.


Originally Posted by BrentD

I would not buy something that runs on any kind of primer given the possibility of primer shortages and even regulations. In fact, why not buy a flintlock? Really. Rocks aren't going away anytime soon.
Page 1 of 10 1 2 3 9 10

Moderated by  RickBin 

Link Copied to Clipboard
AX24

146 members (257robertsimp, 16penny, 10gaugemag, 1minute, 14idaho, 1_deuce, 24 invisible), 1,582 guests, and 940 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Forum Statistics
Forums81
Topics1,191,056
Posts18,463,215
Members73,923
Most Online11,491
Jul 7th, 2023


 


Fish & Game Departments | Solunar Tables | Mission Statement | Privacy Policy | Contact Us | DMCA
Hunting | Fishing | Camping | Backpacking | Reloading | Campfire Forums | Gear Shop
Copyright © 2000-2024 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved.



Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5
(Release build 20201027)
Responsive Width:

PHP: 7.3.33 Page Time: 0.069s Queries: 15 (0.003s) Memory: 0.8993 MB (Peak: 1.0505 MB) Data Comp: Zlib Server Time: 2024-04-23 06:25:00 UTC
Valid HTML 5 and Valid CSS