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Been looking around at some of the 2021 F150 4x4 pickups, but they are scarce in the trim I'm leaning toward (STX 5.0L Supercrew with all the towing/offroad hardware). Not much off the sticker when you do find them.

My local dealer (family member) told me about this one, his demo unit, and I took it for a spin yesterday. It's a 2020 3.5L Eco-Boost XLT with Max Tow, 36gal tank, FX4 package, 20" wheels, 3.55 ratio + locker, folding bed cover, etc. Far cry from my 10yr old Tacoma.

It was built in late 2020 and he started driving it in December, so it's got about 3k miles on it. Comes out to $11k off sticker. Seems like a pretty solid deal, but good Lord, trucks have gotten expensive....


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Have never owned a turbo truck, but hear good things overall. Loved the turbo Honda Accord I had for a while. Younger brother has 176k on his 3.5L EB F150 4x4.




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Might want to check the sticker. I've never seen a Max Tow that didn't have 3.73 gears and towing mirrors. Do they put 36 gallon tanks in trucks with the 5.5' bed? Thought that was only an option with the 6.5' bed.

That strikes me as a good deal in today's market and that's a great-looking pickup.


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Don't buy the V8. I am very leery of an aluminum block that has vapor deposited metal to replace cylinder liners.


You'll love the Ecoboost.

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I'd have thought 3.73 with the max tow also, but that apparently just applies to the 5.0L now. It's 3.55 for the Eco 3.5. The standard FX4 ratio for the Eco 3.5 is a 3.31. They had one of those too, but in a different color.


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The EcoBoost might be the way to roll now, as I was also not happy to hear about the spray on liners or the cylinder deactivation. The little 2.7L EcoBoost has a good reputation these days as well.


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Originally Posted by SockPuppet
Might want to check the sticker. I've never seen a Max Tow that didn't have 3.73 gears and towing mirrors. Do they put 36 gallon tanks in trucks with the 5.5' bed? Thought that was only an option with the 6.5' bed.

That strikes me as a good deal in today's market and that's a great-looking pickup.



Max tow has been 3.55 rear with the 3.5 eco for a while now. In fact the only way you can get 3.73 with the 3.5 is with the heavy duty payload package. 36 gallon tank comes standard with max tow regardless of bed length. Tow mirrors are a separate option with or without max tow.

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Might want to check the sticker. I've never seen a Max Tow that didn't have 3.73 gears and towing mirrors. Do they put 36 gallon tanks in trucks with the 5.5' bed? Thought that was only an option with the 6.5' bed.

That strikes me as a good deal in today's market and that's a great-looking pickup.



Max tow has been 3.55 rear with the 3.5 eco for a while now. In fact the only way you can get 3.73 with the 3.5 is with the heavy duty payload package. 36 gallon tank comes standard with max tow regardless of bed length. Tow mirrors are a separate option with or without max tow.


Cool, learn something new every day. That makes sense with the 10 speed auto.

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I would find out if the 2020 has issues with the cam phasers.


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And you’ll need a 72gal tank if you tow anything!

I get about 10mpg in almost the exact truck towing my yamaha 2 seater side by side on a 5x9 utility trailer (3k lbs total). But it averages over 18mpg empty at 75-80mph and has plenty of get up and go.

Mines a 2019 and just got a notice bout the cam phasers... what’s the deal?

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I’ll tow a tractor or SxS a fair bit, maybe something heavier a few days a year. It’ll be unloaded a good bit of the time. Hoping for 19-20mpg for mixed, unloaded driving. Digging the torque, the smooth ride, and the comfortable interior. Brought it home for good this afternoon.


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Congrats on the new wagon, JPro! Looks like you acted just in time, as Ford just announced a 2-week shut-down of their Dearborn plant due to microchip shortages:

https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/fo...or-2-weeks-due-to-computer-chip-shortage


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Originally Posted by SockPuppet
Might want to check the sticker. I've never seen a Max Tow that didn't have 3.73 gears and towing mirrors. Do they put 36 gallon tanks in trucks with the 5.5' bed? Thought that was only an option with the 6.5' bed.

That strikes me as a good deal in today's market and that's a great-looking pickup.


I had a 36gal tank in my 2016 with a 5.5 bed.

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My uncle was telling me about the microchip issue. Said they couldn't order new vehicles with navigation at the moment.

The dashboard computer was telling me 23mpg this morning for a 23mi highway trip, and a little over 20mpg for the last 200 miles or so. Will be interested to fill it up and test it for real in the coming weeks. I know my last F150 4x4 had the 3V 5.4L and the computer was always optimistic by about 1mpg. Of course that one was a 2004 steel-body unit with 4spd auto and 3.73 gears. It was lucky to pull 16mpg average for mixed driving, generally more like 15. They sure do put a lot of tech in a mid-grade truck these days, from auto-dim high beams, to trailer back-up systems, touch screens, and heated seats. Guess that's a big part of the price now. The old one was a Lariat and about all that got you back then was leather, some computer info in the dashboard, upgraded wheels, and a better sound system.


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Good lookin' ride.....hope you enjoy it, and betting you will.


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JPro, I have 2018 Lariat with the 3.5 Ecoboost. I had a 5.0 previous although it was a 6 speed. I really prefer the 3.5. That torque in the mid range is awesome, 5.0 had to rev to get there. I did have my cam phasers changed under warranty due the start up Noise. 52,000 happy miles.
We have a fleet of Ecoboosts at work either 3.5s in the Vans and 2.7 in the pick ups. These are not babied, at 100,000 miles the only issues we seem to have are a few exhaust manifolds cracking. We had one turbo go at 110,000 but it was replaced fairly cheaply. Other than that they seem reliable and those issue occurred in about 5% in of the trucks.

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They (can phasers) start to rattle on start up. Not really known if that’s as far as the issue goes or if it leads to any other issues down the road.

Had mine replaced at 30,000 kms and then needed them again at 60,000 kms. Traded the truck off at that point. If it’s not on warranty it’s a very expensive fix.


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I had a 2017 F150 with the 5.0 and wished I would of went with the 3.5. The ecoboost has a lot more torque and the 5.0 felt like a dog. I upgraded to a F250 two years ago and love it and got it new for only a few grand more then I paid for the F150.

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I also considered an F250 gasser, and you’re right, prices are quite similar when trim levels and options are held constant. I just don’t need the towing capability enough to justify the fuel bill on the 7.3L.

I checked fuel mileage the other day after 250mi on a fresh fill up. For roughly 50% highway, 30% country roads, and 20% city, it got 19.3mpg (hand calculated). The dashboard said 20.6, so it’s a bit optimistic, like my last F150.


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Just found a 2020 3.5L ecoboost with low miles, 3.55 gear and 36 gallon tank. Gonna buy it today.

Haven't bought a new-to-me truck since 2010, so it was time.

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Good deal. 10 years is about right for me as well.

Enjoying mine so far and have probably put about a thousand miles on it in two weeks. Pulls a tandem 14' utility trailer pretty well and will certainly scoot when you want it to. Merging on the Interstate is effortless, relative to most other vehicles I've owned. Ride quality is nice, considering the bigger wheels and 4x4 suspension.


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Originally Posted by JPro
I’ll tow a tractor or SxS a fair bit, maybe something heavier a few days a year. It’ll be unloaded a good bit of the time. Hoping for 19-20mpg for mixed, unloaded driving. Digging the torque, the smooth ride, and the comfortable interior. Brought it home for good this afternoon.


I rented one twice in the last month to pick up fingerlings for the farm. Roughly 2,000 mile trips each, empty with a tank in the back outbound, 1,800 lbs in the back on the inbound. Truck handled the load well, better than Dodges and especially Tundras I’ve rented before. Mileage was 20.5 on one trip, 19.4 on the other. Mixed driving, vast majority at 75 on the freeway. The 20.5 was coming east on I-80 with a 40+ mph tailwind, but loaded. No issue whatever coming up Donner, power wise. Lots of room to spare.


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