'Trinity' is an English word for the concept of three. The term Holy Trinity is commonly used and we all know what it means. The concept can be seen in the Bible but it's not written in those terms. There's nothing to using the word trinity to describe 3 of something as long as it isn't used to relate them to the Lord.
God won't ever give up on anyone unless they turn their back on him. There's no sin that he won't forgive other than the one against the Spirit. Keep this in mind:
Rom 8:29 For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. 30 And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.
I've seen this passage used many times but they always skip the 1st step - 'foreknew'. That means that God knows from the creation who will answer and those are the ones who get the call. We all have free choice but God knows what that choice will be. He won't call anyone who he knows won't answer. If he foreknows that a person will answer, it won't affect their salvation if they use his name in vain. He will forgive them. He doesn't want us to sin, of course, but he will forgive it.
“In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” ― George Orwell
It's not over when you lose. It's over when you quit.
"But he said unto her, Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil? In all this did not Job sin with his lips."
I've been glad many times through harsh suffering that God recorded this for us.
The way the term trinity was used was in a mocking manner of derision with relation of three Christian members. It doesn't matter to them. What matters is that God might just reject the rejects that speak of Him that way.
I know that God can forgive all sins. Jesus paid for them all, including using His name in vain and sins of those who rejected Him. When someone goes so far as to attribute to men the term we use to describe the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, John 5:7, IMHO they are pushing the envelope and should be corrected that others may fear. There's absolutely no fear of God's judgement on this forum with some. Therefore the blasphemies have become more common even the short time I've been a member. I doubt if the socialist forums are this bad. People don't need to see that garbage. Adults should use at least a small amount of self control. When they don't, it shows hard their heart has gotten.
I grew up with no teaching on this topic that I recall. Here's one sermon that covers the topic pretty well.
Rom 8:29 For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. 30 And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.
I've seen this passage used many times but they always skip the 1st step - 'foreknew'. That means that God knows from the creation who will answer and those are the ones who get the call. We all have free choice but God knows what that choice will be. He won't call anyone who he knows won't answer.
Foreknew and predestined are two very different words. I don't see predestined as free choice. Free choice takes the glory of our salvation out of God's hands and puts it into our own.
If He doesn't call you, how can you answer? If you don't get the call, you are predestined not to and He foreknew that.
I like the story of Lazarus. He was dead 3 days. Really dead. He stunketh. He could not call on the Lord for help, nor did he have any choice whatsoever in his future. Jesus called him. This is exactly the state of mankind.
You already deemed me atheist Do you now doubt yourself?
Perhaps you should forsake convenience and examine how you arrive at your beliefs to see if the method is robust and reliable.
I have not deemed you an atheist. In fact I'm suspecting you are not one, but I don't profess to be a mind reader. That you won't answer a very direct question "What do you believe" indicates to me that you are quite unsure of how everything you do know came into being. If so that makes 2 of us. I am "Christian" in the sense that I believe the Jews were chosen by a supernatural power for a purpose I don't fully yet understand. I believe John the Baptist and Jesus were sent by that supernatural power to give a message to mankind. Obviously that message was rejected and usurped by much of today's "Christian" organizations as a for profit and power scheme. So why don't you, a man that injects himself into every religious discussion and ridicules Folks that are attempting to discern God's will tell us, what do you believe?
Patriotism (and religion) is the last refuge of a scoundrel.
"After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep." (1Corinthians 15:6)
With a docket of witnesses like that, I'm sure there would be considered a vast preponderance of evidence. I was a prosecutor in court for 14 years after 30 years as a police officer. The phrase air tight case comes to mind.
"Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it are the issues of life." (Prov 4:23)
"After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep." (1Corinthians 15:6)
With a docket of witnesses like that, I'm sure there would be considered a vast preponderance of evidence. I was a prosecutor in court for 14 years after 30 years as a police officer. The phrase air tight case comes to mind.
If you were a prosecutor you know that hearsay evidence is not admissible. None of these 500 people testified (or at least none were mentioned by name).
Don't blame me. I voted for Trump.
Democrats would burn this country to the ground, if they could rule over the ashes.
They SAW HIM. That is not HEAR SAY. They could have been subpoenaed if it came to trial, but with a list that large, I would be looking for a plea resolution at the least.
"Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it are the issues of life." (Prov 4:23)
It could have also been on Wednesday and still match scripture.
Wednesday is the correct day! Three days and three nights in the tomb starting with Wednesday evening ends at Saturday evening. The Scripture tells us they came early on the first day of the week, which would be Saturday right after sunset. Remember they went from sunset to sunset.
That would be true by our reckoning.
But the Jews, Romans, and early Christians did not understand the concept of "zero." So they would have counted the "zero-eth" day as the first day.
So crucifixion on Thursday would have made Thursday the first day, Friday the second, and Saturday the third. Saturday night would have been the third night.
By the way, does anyone know why it took three days and nights? Jonah spending three days inside a whale would seem to be an almost irrelevant precedent.
Don't blame me. I voted for Trump.
Democrats would burn this country to the ground, if they could rule over the ashes.
They SAW HIM. That is not HEAR SAY. They could have been subpoenaed if it came to trial, but with a list that large, I would be looking for a plea resolution at the least.
There were a number of meetings recorded with Jesus and His disciples after the resurrection. He not only showed physical evidence, but witnesses gave detailed affidavits that held up to scrutiny from His worst enemies for two thousand years.
Many landmark cases have been decided on far less physical and eye witness testimonies.
They SAW HIM. That is not HEAR SAY. They could have been subpoenaed if it came to trial, but with a list that large, I would be looking for a plea resolution at the least.
THEY (the 500) did not say they saw Jesus. PAUL said that THEY saw Jesus. That's hearsay. You would have been laughed out of court unless you produced at least some of the 500 and gotten the story from "the horse's mouth," as they say.
As a separate subject, why did Jesus appear to only these 500, assuming he did. If he wanted people to believe in him, why not appear to everyone in Palestine?
Don't blame me. I voted for Trump.
Democrats would burn this country to the ground, if they could rule over the ashes.
There's no sin that he won't forgive other than the one against the Spirit. Keep this in mind:
Check Revelation 14. If one receives the mark of the beast he will experience torment forever. No forgiveness.
There's evidence that to get the mark you'll have to deny Christ and bow to the anti-christ. That's the sin, not just having a tattoo on your hand. There are plenty of people today who are doing just that. Those will be the end days and it's a 1 time deal, a final choice before the grand finale. It's not the eternal sin described by Jesus in Mark 9, though.
“In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” ― George Orwell
It's not over when you lose. It's over when you quit.
It could have also been on Wednesday and still match scripture.
Wednesday is the correct day! Three days and three nights in the tomb starting with Wednesday evening ends at Saturday evening. The Scripture tells us they came early on the first day of the week, which would be Saturday right after sunset. Remember they went from sunset to sunset.
That would be true by our reckoning.
But the Jews, Romans, and early Christians did not understand the concept of "zero." So they would have counted the "zero-eth" day as the first day.
So crucifixion on Thursday would have made Thursday the first day, Friday the second, and Saturday the third. Saturday night would have been the third night.
By the way, does anyone know why it took three days and nights? Jonah spending three days inside a whale would seem to be an almost irrelevant precedent.
The Jews believed that after death, your spirit hung around for 3 days before going off to heaven or hell. You weren't truly dead until the 3d day. Jesus needed to be buried for 3 days before they'd believe he was really dead. He did the same thing with Lazarus, waiting 3 days before showing up to resurrect him.
“In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” ― George Orwell
It's not over when you lose. It's over when you quit.
They SAW HIM. That is not HEAR SAY. They could have been subpoenaed if it came to trial, but with a list that large, I would be looking for a plea resolution at the least.
THEY (the 500) did not say they saw Jesus. PAUL said that THEY saw Jesus. That's hearsay. You would have been laughed out of court unless you produced at least some of the 500 and gotten the story from "the horse's mouth," as they say. ....
Some (like Antlers) even fabricate their own wild "truth" by claiming Paul saw Jesus. which is the exact opposite of scripture. ***** Acts 9: (nasb)
3 Now as he was traveling, it happened that he was approaching Damascus, and suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him; 4 and he fell to the ground and heard a voice saying to him, “Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me?” 5 And he said, “Who are You, Lord?” And He said, “I am Jesus whom you are persecuting, 6 but get up and enter the city, and (I)it will be told to you what you must do.” 7 The men who traveled with him stood speechless, hearing the voice but seeing no one. 8 Saul got up from the ground, and though his eyes were open, he could see nothing ; and leading him by the hand, they brought him into Damascus. 9 And for three days he was without sight, and neither ate nor drank.
**** btw, Some Christians like Hastings , have called BS on Pauls 'voice of Jesus' experience, suggesting it was all brought on by schizophrenia.
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