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Has nice walnut grain. I like it.
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Hanco, that's on on my list to give a run, the 180 or 200 TTSX, nice rifle and results! To me, 250's are best left for the Whelen and larger capacity cases. They're pretty slow in the smaller .358 round. I've found that X-Term loads can get to full power without compression needed with TAC. I know JB's excellent .358 Win article used mainly TAC with magnum primers. I'm using mag primers with all my .358 loads. I have a lot of them, am running low on std LR primers, so using what I have. And ball powders, reportedly, do very well with mag primers. I've also used RL-7 with lighter bullets. I've loaded the 150 gr. and 160 gr. CEB Raptors, have 178 gr. Hammers to try. Check those out on line. My gun likes the 170 Gold dot and 180 XTP revolver bullets, shooting both MOA or better. Nathan Forest in NZ says the 170 Gold Dot holds up great at .358 Win velocities, the180 XTP not so much. He says use those in reduced loads. My .358 Win is a JES bored pre-64 M-70 Fwt. .243. It was a bit rough, fouled pretty bad initially until I shot it some, did the DBC treatment. It's settling in pretty well. I have three different scopes set up for the different classes of loads. All are in Warne Horizontal rings that can be swapped back and forth without losing zero. That beats having to sight in for different loads. DF Edited to add link to my .358 M-70 Fwt priject. https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/15226684/1Dirtfarmer, Agreed on the 250s. The reason I went with the Hornady RN is they open up easier than the SP at the lower velocities, IIRC JB mentioned this in his Handloader article. I'm hoping to get mid 2300's to 2400. My general feeling is the 225 is as heavy as I want, other than see how those RN's do. I've also had great luck with Xterminator in it and my 356 Win...and without the compression you mentioned. I've kept my eye out for a M70 Featherweight for a rebore so good read on your experience. If I could actually find a few of those 250 gr RN’s I’d give’em a whirl. Another ghost bullet. DF
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I will add my load. 49.0 grs of TAC under a 225gr Woodleigh Weldcore Round Nose Soft Point. Federa 210M LR primers. 2450 fps out of a 20" barrel. Shoots 1 MOA at 100 yards. Here is a picture of my son with a nice Black Bear he got. 321 pounds. He was shooting my Mannlicher Schoenauer rifle. The entrance wound is at the top of the blood flow. We didn't have to track.  ![[Linked Image]](https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/gallery/80/full/158359.jpg)
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Mind sharing your 4064 load with 200 grain bullets. I have some 200 Accubonds to load up soon. Unless your 358 is on a longer action the accu-bonds wont work very well due to the sleek nose shape. The 2.8" OAL short action just doesn't like them. To fit the magazine & feed the bullet will be seated way too deep. Nosler made a note of this in #8. I tried it anyway with less than poor results. IMR3031 & AA2015 would be my 1st choices for 200s with 2015 being 1st choice. Same powders with TAC & RL10X have worked well with 225 Sierras & I would imagine 225 Partitions, but I've yet to try the Partitions.
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I have another 99 coming in 358. I hope it will shoot the180 TTSX’s as well as the other one.
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I have another 99 coming in 358. I hope it will shoot the180 TTSX’s as well as the other one. Don't ya know those hogs are cringing....  DF
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Unless your 358 is on a longer action the accu-bonds wont work very well due to the sleek nose shape. The 2.8" OAL short action just doesn't like them. To fit the magazine & feed the bullet will be seated way too deep. Nosler made a note of this in #8. I tried it anyway with less than poor results.
The 200 AB's can be seated and still have the ogive above the case mouth. They easily fit in my BLR mag; I can actually seat them out a little further. ![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/U0P9jPAl.jpg) ![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/107zc2Cl.jpg) ![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/NcgDbLnl.jpg)
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IMR-3031 and Hornady 200 gr ILs work good in my BLR. Both SPs and RNs.
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Gunners 200 grains 10X load runs about 2600 in my brothers Ruger and my BLR. His will 200 ABs and mine with TTSXs. Yes Sir, RL-10 under 200gr TTSX's for 2700 fps is a fine load in my little Hawkeye Ruger, used H-322 before that, 10 is a bit slower burning that 322, and more compact, never could get any of the Western powders here s had to make due.
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Unless your 358 is on a longer action the accu-bonds wont work very well due to the sleek nose shape. The 2.8" OAL short action just doesn't like them. To fit the magazine & feed the bullet will be seated way too deep. Nosler made a note of this in #8. I tried it anyway with less than poor results.
The 200 AB's can be seated and still have the ogive above the case mouth. They easily fit in my BLR mag; I can actually seat them out a little further. How do they shoot? My rifle didn't like them at all.
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Farmer, I believe ole Hanco is going to load up both those rifles and carry them to the blind. When he emptys one of them he can just grab the other and continue on. That would be good for 10 at a time. Kinda like the old cowboys use to do in the movies. powdr
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Farmer, I believe ole Hanco is going to load up both those rifles and carry them to the blind. When he emptys one of them he can just grab the other and continue on. That would be good for 10 at a time. Kinda like the old cowboys use to do in the movies. powdr Let one cool while he slays hogs with the other. Or, he could have a loader, like those Brits do on their driven bird shoots. They use two guns, pass the empty to their loader. All that makes perfect sense to me...  DF
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How do they shoot? My rifle didn't like them at all. TAC was probably the best so far, 49.0 and 49.5 gave me around 1.2" three shot groups (both groups two close, one out) at around mid 2500 fps.
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How do they shoot? My rifle didn't like them at all. TAC was probably the best so far, 49.0 and 49.5 gave me around 1.2" three shot groups (both groups two close, one out) at around mid 2500 fps. Go figure. Mine looked more like shotgun than a rifle with TAC from 48 thru 50 gr. from 2465 to 2519fps. Tried different OALs with no real change in either direction. Too expensive to piss them away so relegated them to the Whelen & Norma Mag where they shoot well under an inch..
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Farmer, I believe ole Hanco is going to load up both those rifles and carry them to the blind. When he emptys one of them he can just grab the other and continue on. That would be good for 10 at a time. Kinda like the old cowboys use to do in the movies. powdr Ain’t thought of that!!
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Farmer, I believe ole Hanco is going to load up both those rifles and carry them to the blind. When he emptys one of them he can just grab the other and continue on. That would be good for 10 at a time. Kinda like the old cowboys use to do in the movies. powdr Let one cool while he slays hogs with the other. Or, he could have a loader, like those Brits do on their driven bird shoots. They use two guns, pass the empty to their loader. All that makes perfect sense to me... DF Kinda like how Stevie Ray always had a string-changer at the corner of the stage. Only played but two guitars, but constantly passing them off to that string-changer once he busted too many.
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hanco's hard enough on those poor hogs without giving him new ideas on how to kill more, faster.... Hope those hogs don't read this, they will be shaking....  DF
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Without reading the entire thread.... I got to shoot one, once....
it had been loaded with 200 gr bullet, loaded with RL 7...
The recoil felt like a 22.250 recoil.... a lot lighter than I expected... but it had no problem shooting flat enough to hit a rock I was using as a target at 200 yds..
never ever figured I needed one... I still don't need one, but if one came my way, I would certainly purchase it.
The one I shot was made on a 1909 Mauser action with a nice Fajen stock.
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Go figure. Mine looked more like shotgun than a rifle with TAC from 48 thru 50 gr. from 2465 to 2519fps. Tried different OALs with no real change in either direction. Too expensive to piss them away so relegated them to the Whelen & Norma Mag where they shoot well under an inch..
I got a pretty good deal on mine at SPS, I'll play with them some more, Once they're gone, I don't know if I'd get more or see much advantage over other 200 grain loads that already work for me. With current Midway pricing (nearly $70/50) and most likely SPS going up on theirs, I'm with you on pissing them away....
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