Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Custom Rifles & Wildcats 20 Vartarg or 20 Fireball????

Would LOVE to see a photo of the .20 Vartarg. If you can get it with any (all!) of the above cartridges in for comparison, all the better.


something like this:

.17 HM2, .17 HMR, .17 WSM, .17 Hornet, .17 Fireball, 22 Hornet, .17 Remington, .20 "Vartarg" (.20 Fireball), .20 Practical, .223 Remington

Anyone?

Is the "20 Vartarg" the same as a .221 Fireball necked down to .20?

Anyone have a picture of one of these next to a .17 Fireball? Also, a picture next to a .20 Practical?

Which is easier to load/reload for, the .20 "Vartarg", or the .20 Practical?

Thanks.

I’ve had 2 fireballs that were 700s. An LVSF and an LS.

BOTH had ejection issues. If you’re gonna go through the hassle of finding a 221 700 for fixing the ejection issue, I wouldn’t waste my time. As I highly doubt it would make a difference. As long as you were ejecting loaded rounds it was fine, the second it was a fired round, it only flips them over backwards into the port. Both rifles performed exactly the same.

If it were me and looking for a build with one of these cartridges I’d do a 527 and save yourself the headache. Unless a single shot is acceptable. Because that’s essentially what a 700 221 is.

Yes the Vartarg is a 221 Fireball which is just necked down to 20 caliber. Most of the time it is as simple as running 221 brass through a 20 Vartarg FL size die.

I don't have a picture of a 20 Vartarg and 20 Practical next to each other. Set a 221 Fireball next to a 223 cartridge and there you have it. They are both simply necked down to 20 caliber to create those cases.

They are both great. I have never seen or heard of a 20 Vartarg that wasn't easy to load for, that cartridge just shoots. I highly recommend it, they are a blast and will do the job on our eastern coyote just fine. Check out Saubier.com and you will have days of reading on these small calibers.

The 20 Vartarg is a little more than just the 221 fireball necked down. The Vartarg has a 30 degree shoulder and the fireball has a 23 deg shoulder.
You need separate dies after forming brass.
Alot of guys run .236 neck and a little bigger st the .200 line with Lapua brass because its thicker than Remington 221 fireball brass.

as close as I can come at the moment!




l to r

17 ackley hornet, 17 hebee, 17 mach iv, 17 fireball, 17 remington, 20 vartarg, 20 tactical, 22 hornet, 218 bee, 221 fireball 222 Rem, 223 Rem, 223 Rem AI, 22-250, 220 swift.



and some Hornets.......





17 Hornady Hornet, 17 Ackley Hornet, 19 Calhoon, 22 Hornet.


ya!

GWB

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If someone can get that exact same picture as the last one 2 posts up, but with the .17 WSM , .20 Vartarg, and .20 Practical; that would be PERFECT for me.

Oh, and the .22 Mag, .22 LR, and .223 on the ends for reference.

Please and thank you!

Thanks, geedubya, just saw that photo.

If I'm not mistaken, the 218 bee is actually .22 caliber, right? Has anybody necked that down to .20, .19, or .17; and if so, do they have a name?


SECONDLY, does anybody else think it would make sense, or wish a rifle maker or ammo company, or both would collaborate and come out and "legitimize" a .20 Vartarg?

Imagine, the "20 Sako", or "Mossberg 20", or "20 Coyote Savage", "Tikka Twenty", or something like that?

I owned a Martini Cadet in a blown out, necked down to .20 caliber cartridge based on the .218 Bee called the .20-20 Kiel Center Fire. RCBS did the dies for me from a chamber cast. Sorry I ever sold that little rifle.

The Vartarg is the Fireball necked down to .204, but you do need to trim the neck thickness down a bit. I am doing load development now for my Vartarg and finding it likes RL7 best.

20 Vartarg = 20 Fireball......

depending on what your reamer says.....

221 case necked down to 20 cal......depending on brass/neck/chamber...

may not have to turn necks......my 20 Vartarg shown here...I assembled in 2007.....

I use a variety of brass.....of course the best is Lapua 221......which was not available in 2007

Dies are easy now....take your pick....but I still use my 221 Fireball seater..Forster BR.....

My barrel is 12 twist Pac Nor......original chamber was 204R....ran it a year then Pac Nor rechamberd to Vartarg

Velocity ? 40 gr V moly V max..3560 ffs......32's are very fast......3700 IIRC......

This dog gun is on a Savage s/shot action.....many many dogs have died with this cartridge

19/H322 is my go to load w/40 V.......safe in my rifle....soooo pleasant to shoot...rifle is 15# (ish)

Only thing better than a Vartarg ? 20-222......again my dog guns are s/shot



Vartarg carnage at 500 yds.......

I built a 20 vt for my hunting pardner Also a 221... His 20 is absolutely his fav go to rifle...and I have built him guite a few...to answer your question it's not really worth the hastle but most of us like the hustle it beats the TV

I have been using a 20 tac for some time...wonderful combo...
I'm thinking tho the 20 tnt.(222 rem) might be the one

PS, if your using a 700 action, make sure you start with a Fireball donor, and not a .223 donor.[/quote]

What is the difference between a Fireball donor and a 223 donor? [/quote]

The feed rails on the Fireball actions are different and the extractor is in a different location. [/quote]

So, a 223 factory gun rebarreled to a fireball case will not feed or eject properly. I made the mistake. Get a factory fireball R 700 , or a Sako A1/461. I have both now and they both work great.

Get a sako extractor installed on a 223 bolt and it will fix the issue.