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.45-100 Remington Necked ? #15973789 04/07/21
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Anybody ever heard of this one that recently showed up on ammoguidedotcom ?

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"This obscure round was introduced in 1880 during the heyday of long-range competition shooting in America. Period blackpowder rounds targeting this market tended to fall into two styles: straight-walled and necked cases. This was obviously a member of the latter.

"The .45-100 Remington seems to be a larger version of the successful .44-90 Remington Special released almost a decade earlier. Available as a special order chambering for Sharps and other rifles, no other cartridge dimensions are compatible. The cartridge was dropped from catalogs within a few years."


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Never seen one that don't mean anything but that I've never seen one. The 44 -90 Special remington bottleneck Creedmoor cartridge is 2 7/16" long. That's 2.4375" so they would had to stretch it some if it was made from rem brass.the drawing shows a lot bigger rim and base diameters than the 44-90 2 5/8" SBN CASES I have. So the question in my mind is what was it made from? MB


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It may have been something Remington came up with to take a run at the Sharps 45 2 7/8 cartridge. Those long straight cases don't work particularly well in a roller. Guessing they used 50 2.5 cases for the base. Given the time frame it supposedly was trotted out was at the end of the "creedmoor" era, the country was still in a deep depression, so money was scarce and long range shooting was just to much expense for the average shooter. That's why Schuetzen became so popular, smaller cases, smaller bullets and less powder. Plus the shorter ranges were easier to keep around than the longer distances.


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Yes, it is hard to get a .45-2.4" to work through a Roller.
Remington must have meant it for something else that never caught on.
George A. Hoyem missed that one in his 4-volume set too.
Hey, maybe it was an April Fool's Day joke at ammoguidedotcom ?


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There were a lot of different cartridges from various makers that got trotted out of the drawing room to the production floor, that never made it into full production in that time frame.
Guncranks been around since gunpowder was first invented.


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Wasn't it common for new purchasers to have rifles modified or tweeked by a smith after purchase?

I've read this was the case with Sharps rifles as the extractors often need attention in preparation for hard use.

Maybe the cartridge discussed here was a collaboration of customer and gunsmith?

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Might of been a few that had a gunsmith do something to a new rifle,but for the most part they requested any modifications at the factory in the order.
Lower did some modifications towards the end of Sharps production. Sharps and Fruend got in a big fight about the "improvements" he made, in fact they shut him off completely as a dealer and he had to finagle rifles from other dealers, or build they're own actions.


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There are some things in the drawing I question.
One is the case mouth diameter, inside and out. .458" inside and the .490" outside.
The prevailing bullets back then for the matches was the PP, granted Rem used a little larger diameter for the .44's than Sharps or some of the others used. Their .44's were closer to a .45.
Also there is .032" left for case wall thickness. A lot of the original cases I have looked at had a wall thickness close to what we use now and even thinner with the copper cases they used.
There are a lot of differences between this chamber and the shorter 44-90 special.

But this chamber re designed a little would make an interesting round. I favor the BN BP chambers.

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458 was pretty standard in the 45's, the case thickness could be from the heavy "everlasting" stuff. I suspect it would of held 100 grains of powder pretty easy.


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The largest Rem I seen was a .452" Win back then I think used a .454, but I won't share by that laugh

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Kurt are you talking about 44's or 45's, this cartridge is a 45 caliber


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.45 Don.
I have a book that has 14 old gun catalogs from 1859 to 1902 that has a .45-100 Remington necked shell listed and it has the bullet diameter .452"
The Peabody also has .45's listed at .454" and the Ballard .45-100 used a .454"

laugh by the way, They list per 1000 bullets at $8.75 laugh to $16.50 for their special long range patched 1-1/2" long 550 gr
Sharps list one for the .44 1-15/32" 520 gr in their 1879 Catalog.






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